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likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt
Doubt we are looking at him.Not sure Roberto would be good for United tbh.
Doubt we are looking at him.Not sure Roberto would be good for United tbh.
Doubt it too, to be honest.Doubt we are looking at him.
Giggs and Scholes were quality players but they weren't flair players. They were excellent technically but they were proper "English style" footballers. That's what I mean. You wouldn't see Giggs do a rainbow flick, would you? They were very much "simple" footballers.If we want to win another CL we'll need more than meat and potatoes grafters, and I don't know what versions of Giggs and Scholes you watched but they were both flair players with silky ability as was Cantona and a young Rooney, as well as Ronaldo, Nani and RvP, two of those 3 took us to the latter titles we won. This idea we should be running around as a Rugby team is wide of the mark, you need a mixture to evolve with the times in Europe while still competing in the archaic PL.
Not at all. I'm just saying they weren't flair players. They kept it simple and were "tough guys" who worked hard and got stuck in. That's what we need more of. That's why I always said Matic is perfect for us.You make it sound like Scholes, Giggs, Beckham or even Cantona were lousy footballers, they were top quality in their era.
I disagree. He's absolutely a "Barca style" player. He wouldn't fit in here. We need more British players or experienced Premier League players. Matic and Lukaku know the league and that's why they look so good off the mark. If we're signing a backup CM, I would rather buy Barkley or even Joe Allen who I always rated.Sergi Roberto isn't a flair player though, and it nothing like what you're making him sound like, which I assume you think he's some sort of Iniesta-lite. He isn't, and far from it. Not every player who comes through La Masia is 5ft6, 120lbs soaking wet and was born passing a football. In terms of what you're describing, Sergi Roberto is rather un-Barca in style and what he can do.
Good player. Not sure we need him for the midfield, but in the current market, if he's going for £40m, it would be a snip for a top 6 PL side.
Giggs was absolutely a flair player, as was Cantona the man that the Fergie era was built on, so was Ronaldo and RvP, the main two players behind the latter titles, aren't you a Mata fan? I don't get your point here at all mate, he's as Spanish bread as they come, and Scholes played like Xavi and Pirlo, the epitome of a cultured European CM who is revered by those guys.Giggs and Scholes were quality players but they weren't flair players. They were excellent technically but they were proper "English style" footballers. That's what I mean. You wouldn't see Giggs do a rainbow flick, would you? They were very much "simple" footballers.
Roberto isn't exactly Ronaldinho or even close. But he has been trained to play the Barcelona way and we need players who play the Manchester United way. Give me someone like Dele Alli or Ross Barkley over him anyday. Those guys might not be better technically but I gaurantee they would be better for United.
You're comparing apples and oranges here while mixing them with some right facts.Giggs and Scholes were quality players but they weren't flair players. They were excellent technically but they were proper "English style" footballers. That's what I mean. You wouldn't see Giggs do a rainbow flick, would you? They were very much "simple" footballers.
Roberto isn't exactly Ronaldinho or even close. But he has been trained to play the Barcelona way and we need players who play the Manchester United way. Give me someone like Dele Alli or Ross Barkley over him anyday. Those guys might not be better technically but I gaurantee they would be better for United.
Not at all. I'm just saying they weren't flair players. They kept it simple and were "tough guys" who worked hard and got stuck in. That's what we need more of. That's why I always said Matic is perfect for us.
I disagree. He's absolutely a "Barca style" player. He wouldn't fit in here. We need more British players or experienced Premier League players. Matic and Lukaku know the league and that's why they look so good off the mark. If we're signing a backup CM, I would rather buy Barkley or even Joe Allen who I always rated.
I don't think there's much use in such limited, prescriptive descriptions of players' natural roles. The reason Fabinho and Sergi Roberto have switched fairly seamlessly between right back and centre mid is the same reason Gerrard or Essien could play right back in a CL final, or Valencia could play centre mid for Ecuador and on the wing for United, or Daley Blind could play wingback at the WC after a season of playing centre mid for Ajax. The core skills of an attacking fullback and a box-to-box centre mid are basically the same. That's been true since the days of Duncan Edwards and co. and is still true now.Yes, but he is a midfielder. The reverse Fabinho
Not every Spanish player is good.Don't understand how would anyone reject buying a Spanish player. I look at Asensio, Saul, Vasquez and wish we have them
This is true, see Alberto Moreno.Not every Spanish player is good.
He isn't. He is much more aggressive and direct than the stereotype you seem to be pinning him as. I'd peg Ander Herrera as more of a "Barca style" player than Sergi Roberto, the Ander is very much suited to both United and the Premier League. Barca in general are a lot more direct than they were under Pep, very much so, so I don't think it is applicable anyway.I disagree. He's absolutely a "Barca style" player.
Mind boggling.Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes weren't flair players?
So they've done rainbow flicks and Rabona kicks on the regular? That's news to me.Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes weren't flair players?
Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes weren't flair players?
I'm not sure those are the right parameters for defining flair players...So they've done rainbow flicks and Rabona kicks on the regular? That's news to me.
So Xavi and Iniesta do rainbow flicks? Oh wait, they are Barca players, Scholes and Giggs arent, even though they could have played for them on a technical level too. Your argumentation is weird.So they've done rainbow flicks and Rabona kicks on the regular? That's news to me.
Would you say Cantona was a flair player?So they've done rainbow flicks and Rabona kicks on the regular? That's news to me.
He had more flair than the simplistic Giggs and Scholes.Would you say Cantona was a flair player?
I didn't say they were flair players. But they're Barcelona players, not Man United players.So Xavi and Iniesta do rainbow flicks? Oh wait, they are Barca players, Scholes and Giggs arent, even though they could have played for them on a technical level too. Your argumentation is weird.
A United player only needs to be good enough, rainbow flicks or not
Simplistic? Jesus christ almighty....He had more flair than the simplistic Giggs and Scholes.
Did you not see Giggs in the first half of his career? He was the very definition of flair.He had more flair than the simplistic Giggs and Scholes.
He was simplistic compared to fecking Ronaldinho. You know what I mean.Simplistic? Jesus christ almighty....
This is Ryan Giggs.So they've done rainbow flicks and Rabona kicks on the regular? That's news to me.
No, I really don't. Your definition of a flair player is absurd. 'Rainbow flicks and rabonas on a regular basis'. My word.He was simplistic compared to fecking Ronaldinho. You know what I mean.
Giggs relied mostly on his pace during his younger days. He wasn't a skiller by any stretch of the imagination. How anyone can say he wasn't a simple footballer is beyond me. Look at Ronaldinho, Okocha, Neymar, etc. And then look at how Giggs played. He did the simple things exceptionally well but he was never the type who would do a rainbow flick over a full back and whip in a rabona cross.Did you not see Giggs in the first half of his career? He was the very definition of flair.
Scholes I personally wouldn't say he was a flair player, but outside of tackling he excelled in every part of the footballing game.
I've never seen Messi do that. Flair player?Giggs relied mostly on his pace during his younger days. He wasn't a skiller by any stretch of the imagination. How anyone can say he wasn't a simple footballer is beyond me. Look at Ronaldinho, Okocha, Neymar, etc. And then look at how Giggs played. He did the simple things exceptionally well but he was never the type who would do a rainbow flick over a full back and whip in a rabona cross.
What would you consider a flair player then? If you consider Xavi a flair player then by that logic Michael Carrick is also a flair player. Playing simple is not having flair in my book.No, I really don't. Your definition of a flair player is absurd. 'Rainbow flicks and rabonas on a regular basis'. My word.
Rainbow flicks and rabona are tricks. A flair player is not supposed to fecking excel at tricks only. What about Messi, Kaka, Zidane even.Giggs relied mostly on his pace during his younger days. He wasn't a skiller by any stretch of the imagination. How anyone can say he wasn't a simple footballer is beyond me. Look at Ronaldinho, Okocha, Neymar, etc. And then look at how Giggs played. He did the simple things exceptionally well but he was never the type who would do a rainbow flick over a full back and whip in a rabona cross.
Well, flair is defined (according to the first google result) as: 'a special or instinctive aptitude or ability for doing something well.' To me, that doesn't have to mean rainbow flicks, etc. Giggs was a phenomenal winger who could beat a man with ease, inside or out.What would you consider a flair player then? If you consider Xavi a flair player then by that logic Michael Carrick is also a flair player. Playing simple is not having flair in my book.
That's beside the point anyway. I want more players like Giggs, Scholes and Carrick and less of the foreign "dreamers" who have their eyes set on a big money move to Madrid or Barcelona. Those players get us nowhere in the long run. They don't care about the club.
In some cases you might be right, but Sergi is 25 now. It's also he himself who wants to leave rather than the other way around. I'd doubt Barca would be back for him.I don't think there's much in the rumours either. Wouldn't be ahead of Pogba, Matic, Herrera. And it looks like we're keeping Felaini and Pereira to provide cover along with Carrick.
Also as a general rule, I'm a bit wary of buying players who are products of La Masia. If they make it big at United and Barca come calling chances are you're left with an unsavoury situation in your hands. It's not a certainty by any means, but there's a high enough probability it could happen to keep in consideration.
Not bothered about that really. Chelsea will sign someone or other anyway. I'd rather they get a Sergi Roberto or an Oxlade rather than a Nainggolan or Verrati anyway (I'm using as an analogy).In some cases you might be right, but Sergi is 25 now. It's also he himself who wants to leave rather than the other way around. I'd doubt Barca would be back for him.
I don't think we have space for him (unless we play him out of position, as he's much better at CM than full back IMO) but I'd also be a bit annoyed if he goes to Chelsea as I think he could do well there.
Fair point. I'd rather they got Oxlade. He'll be injured 4 months of the season by default. I think Sergi Roberto would be a good fit for them though. Not quite as much as an elite player, but he looks made for the Premier League to me.Not bothered about that really. Chelsea will sign someone or other anyway. I'd rather they get a Sergi Roberto or an Oxlade rather than a Nainggolan or Verrati anyway (I'm using as an analogy).
I agree with you personally that Scholes was almost anti-flair - certainly more so than Xavi, who was pretty conservative himself - but Giggs adored often pointless flicks and tricks, right up until his retirement. And I still think his throw-in and corner kick moves were creative genius...He had more flair than the simplistic Giggs and Scholes.
I remember summer of the 99 I think, United were interested in Rivaldo and by Spanish press they were offering 60M and Giggs. I was totally ok with that offerThis is Ryan Giggs.
A pretty ridiculous bar to set for flair players.He was simplistic compared to fecking Ronaldinho. You know what I mean.