Kagawa was good in his first few and lost his way.
Like my post said I was of the opinion he should be sold too, so no.
Sterling yes, but he would get plenty of game time as they play more and more importantly Liverpool's brand of attacking football suits him far more than the shit we witnessed these past few years.
Coutinho's a miles better player than Kagawa
I'm saying that under Liverpool he would thrive so the "can't cut it in the PL" narrative is rubbish. He couldn't cut it at United under Moyes and didn't perform at his best under Fergie. Which isn't surprising considering how bad United's attacking fluidity has been these last few years. This isn't some pissing contest between Kagawa and other United attacking players.
Of course it is. That's how football works. Other players have out-performed Kagawa, so Kagawa has to leave.
Do you watch him? He's frequently shite. Incredibly wasteful. I'd also dispute your assessment of a player doing "very well."
He's been absolutely miles better than Kagawa in their respective PL careers to date.
If Coutino's performances can be described as "frequently shite" then I wonder what your assessment of Kagawa is because his performances have been about 10 times worse and I am being generous when I say 10 times. What Countinho lacks is consistency but in terms of versatility, adaptation, creativity and ability to influence games he's well ahead of Kagawa.
He's better, full stop. And I said he would become a better player when Liverpool signed him and before Moyes had managed a game for us. Anyone who saw him at Espanyol or Inter could see his undoubted talent.
Don't watch much European football so he was an unknown quantity to me. Gutted to see how good he is, at such a young age too. Very annoying. On the plus side, he goes down as one of a relatively low number of good vs bad Rodgers signings.
He has a tendency of giving the ball away, shooting unnecessarily and playing like a child, though he's still quite young. I wouldn't really say he's lit up the league, or produced anything of any particular excellence. He's played fairly similarly to Kagawa throughout his own first season at the club, and I struggle to see what he's produced that is "ten times better."
It was also Liverpool's style of football. Rodgers changed it up during the season when it was clear it wasn't working. He sped the attack when it was originally slower (tiki taka like), started to let players dribble more often, and let players run off the shoulder more often. Sturridge and Coutinho were huge parts of this.
He's still a trifle inconsistent but most of his waywardness comes from actually trying things which is more than I can say for Kagawa who more often than not kpt it safe. He's been much better than Kagawa has been in the PL.
I do agree, I think both will be a success as it happens but its far to early to call them a success right now.
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The top comment on that video:They certainly do. Hope he puts a few past Arsenal this week
What the feck?
i will respond to this soon. stupid computer erased my previous response
only issue i have again is the physical aspect. just because he underwhelmed doesnt mean he wouldn thrive for another PL club
indeed it is at best speculation. imo, if a manager is asking a player to do something which isn't suited to their qualities, then high probability they are being "shafted" (i.e. what's going on with Ozil at Arsenal right now)
i think in this case, we take van gaal at his words. let's assume he told kagawa he would be behind mata in terms of number 10 position. remember he said that he tried shinji in preseason in 6 and 8 role but didn seem satisfied with his work there and that they both agreed his best role would be number 10.
here's my take on what you quoted. let me know what you think. there is a certain mentality in the EPL and maybe even prevalent through english football that you have to take your chances and if you dont, you're not good enough and thats the end of story. one could argue players like kagawa and ozil dont really fit into this paradigm. hence it's easy to come to the conclusion there were not good enough for english football for x,y,z when there actually may be going than we see. but because we have tendency to go along with our bias, you can see where this will go.
agreed. again think he's looked good because the system suits him more than him being some top class player. mind you, he's good but don't think he's that good (talking about coutinho of course) . im pretty confident kagawa will produce the goods at dortmund and if that situation occurs, the easy knee-jerk reaction is to talk about his time at united and get stuck in this circular discussion like we do with pogba. To me, what's more important is "what can we learn from this?" rather than just airing our recycled views.
Agreed, Coutinho is vastly overrated by a few here. He's not a 'miles better' player than Kagawa.
All evidence suggests otherwise.
As in? What kind of evidence?
Barely playing him and selling him at the first opportunity. As opposed to your own subjective opinion.
Why would he play him if he wants to sell him?
He wasn't given a chance imo.
It doesn't make him rubbish but there is absolutely nothing to suggest he rated him.
You should read the IMO at the start of the sentences
Because the notion that Kagawa is shit, or not good enough, or not taking his chance when he's given (not given) is easier to swallow than the other side of the coin
I did. Which made me wonder how you formed that opinion with no evidence to suggest it. It's also why I pointed out your subjective opinion. You should read the replies to your posts.
