Signs of Progress | Mourinho vs Van Gaal

[Wumminator]

Spoiler

This year: Bournemouth away W
Last year: Bournemouth away L

+3

This year: Southampton H W
Last year: Southampton A L

+6

This year: Hull A W
Last year: Villa A W

+6

This year: City H L
Last year: Cith H D

+5

This year Watford A L
Last year: Watford A W

+2

This year Leicester H W
Last Year: Leicester H D

+4

This year: Stoke H D
Last Year: Stoke H W

+2

This Year: Liverpool A D
Last Year: Liverpool A W

0

This year: Chelsea A L
Last year: Chelsea A D

-1

This year: Burnley H D
Last Year: Newcastle H D

-1

This year: Swansea A W
Last year: Swasea A L

+2

This year: Arsenal H D
Last Year: Arsenal H W

0

This year: West Ham H D
Last Year: West Ham H D

0

This year: Everton A D
Last Year: Everton A W

-2

This year: Tottenham H W
Last Year: Tottenham H W

-2

This year: Palace A W
Last Year: Palace A D

0

This year: WBA A W
Last Year: WBA A L

3

This year: Sunderland H W
Last Year: Sunderland H W

3

This year: Boro H W
Last Year: Norwich H L

6

This year: West Ham A W
Last Year: West Ham A L

9

This year: Liverpool H D
Last Year: Liverpool H W

7

This year: Stoke H D
Last Year: Stoke A L

8

This year: Hull home D
Last Year: Villa H W

6

So tbf we are six points better off from equivalent fixtures this year.

We are six points off better than last year from equivalent games.

 

[Wumminator]

Last year we had 11.3 shots per game.

This year we have had 17 shots per game.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Can a mod please delete my thread!

 

[BennyBlanco]

Watching us now no longer makes the majority of us question why we watch football while the games on. Style wise, we're better. Even if points wise/ League position it's still debatable.

 

[Borden]

Our overall play has definitely been a lot better, but you would expect that with that massive investment in the summer. What mainly worries me still is how lethargic we look at times. We still lack urgency and winning mentality, and now there's no van Gaal to blame.

 

[Rado_N]

I look forward to games again.

 

[Wumminator]

Our overall play has definitely been a lot better, but you would expect that with that massive investment in the summer. What mainly worries me still is how lethargic we look at times. We still lack urgency and winning mentality, and now there's no van Gaal to blame.

Only positives allowed. Threadbanned.

 

[Borden]

Feck

 

[Pogue Mahone]

12.6 changes created/game vs 8.2

 

[Raw]

We're not relying on De Gea to save us every game with 3-4 match winning saves every game.

Most of our poor results can be blamed on very poor finishing and we barely ever get dominated, there have been very few games where we absolutely deserved to lose (Chelsea away, Fenerbahce away, City home, Hull away).

 

[Pogue Mahone]

56% possession under Mou vs 55% last year

(A surprising stat)

 

[Rado_N]

56% possession under Mou vs 55% last year

(A surprising stat)

I'm useless at finding these things, but I'd be interested to see how the zonal possession compares? I'd wager our possession now is generally further up the pitch as well.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Not progress but another surprising stat. Shot accuracy this year is 48%. Was only 1% higher last season.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm useless at finding these things, but I'd be interested to see how the zonal possession compares? I'd wager our possession now is generally further up the pitch as well.

I'm getting them all here.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

The threads are more positive under Jose than Van Gaal.





(That ok?)

 

[Wumminator]

The threads are more positive under Jose than Van Gaal.





(That ok?)

It'll do. For now.

 

[JPRouve]

56% possession under Mou vs 55% last year

(A surprising stat)

That's not surprising, collectively we are as dull as last year but our individualities, Pogba, Valencia, Ibrahimovic and Mkhi are exciting.

 

[Rado_N]

I'm getting them all here.

Hm, doesn't seem to show where the possession occurs that I can see.

Anyone know where that info might be available?

 

[Scarecrow]

We've scored 5 goals more compared to this time last year, with the same amount of conceded. And have 5 points more and 3 losses less.

Passing accuracy has jumped 2.5% from this time last year and it's more than any other team currently.

We're top in aerial duels, as well, much improved from last year (when we were not in top 5).

Also, we're 1 point closer to top 4 than this time last year. We lost out on GD, so this would've made the difference.

Actually, I struggle to find a statistical element that we've not improved on since this time last year.

 

[SteveW]

Fewer injuries.

The fact that they managed to at least show they were capable of putting a run of consecutive victories together.

 

[Wumminator]

Hm, doesn't seem to show where the possession occurs that I can see.

Anyone know where that info might be available?

I can get them from this year, but not the last. Will try and find something.

 

[Rado_N]

I can get them from this year, but not the last. Will try and find something.

Nice one!

 

[SteveW]

Actually scoring a few late goals to win points instead of being the ones usually conceding late

 

[finneh]

In terms of performances I'd put us ahead of Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Spurs; only behind Chelsea. If Spurs for example had squandered the amount of chances we had they'd be behind Everton in my view.

Maybe this is more suitable to the unpopular opinion thread!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Even if we had achieved less points from these fixtures, at least I don't want to tear out my own eyeballs this season.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

After 23 games last year: W 10; D 7; L 6; GF 28; GF 21; GD +7; Pnts 37
After 23 games this year: W 11; D 9; L 3; GF 33; GF 21; GD +12; Pnts 42

Progress.

 

[Wumminator]

In terms of performances I'd put us ahead of Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Spurs; only behind Chelsea. If Spurs for example had squandered the amount of chances we had they'd be behind Everton in my view.

Maybe this is more suitable to the unpopular opinion thread!

Tottenham have had more shots than us in all fairness.

 

[Womp]

Jose is better looking than Louis. Am I doin it rite?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That's not surprising, collectively we are as dull as last year but our individualities, Pogba, Valencia, Ibrahimovic and Mkhi are exciting.

I don't follow your logic. The "individualities" you mention are part of what we see on the pitch, collectively. You can't isolate the two.

 

[ivaldo]

I can actually see where we are going now. Clearly Jose has identified areas we need to improve upon and will look to change these next season. It does really feel like the only way is up for us under JM.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In terms of performances I'd put us ahead of Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Spurs; only behind Chelsea. If Spurs for example had squandered the amount of chances we had they'd be behind Everton in my view.

Maybe this is more suitable to the unpopular opinion thread!

I think Spurs have been a good bit better. They've had a dullish spell similar to our recent one but more convincing performances overall.

City are weird. When they're good they're fantastic but when they're bad they're awful. Same - yet even more extreme - applies to Liverpool. We haven't hit the same heights - or lows - as either of them.

 

[JPRouve]

I don't follow your logic. The "individualities" you mention are part of what we see on the pitch, collectively. You can't isolate the two.

Of course you can, a player can have a good game while being member of a bad collective.

 

[R'hllor]

We are creating more but our conversion is not so good,wondering whats our conversion stats vs same stats under LvG.

 

[Litch]

At least I'm staying awake watching Utd and I mean literally.....

 

[JPRouve]

We are creating more but our conversion is not so good,wondering whats our conversion stats vs same stats under LvG.

We once had an impossible ratio: 1/0.

 

[Ixion]

We've certainly managed to turn those losses into draws!

 

[Massive Spanner]

It's still shockingly frustrating to watch but more in a "how the hell are we not winning this" blue-balls sort of way as opposed to a "this is so boring" flaccid way.

 

[Varun]

I look forward to games again.

This.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It's still shockingly frustrating to watch but more in a "how the hell are we not winning this" blue-balls sort of way as opposed to a "this is so boring" flaccid way.

So true

 

[Red_Aaron]

theres absolutely no question we're much better imo
the thing with comparing to last year is that last season was a bad season for practically all the top sides except spurs whereas this year they are all vastly improved making our progress appear slight when its actually far moreso imvho
i'm sure all fans can see this deep down and a lot of the frustration on here is stemming from the fact we know we're better than our current league position shows and their grasping for negatives to justify it.
i'm confident we'll compete for the title next season