Cantonagotmehere
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This has killed my transfer muppetry. I can't even go over there anymore.... This is the only thread that matters.
Don't even worry about it, all our transfer window consists of now is Murtough on a world tour asking the best players cap in hand if they'll come to unitedThis has killed my transfer muppetry. I can't even go over there anymore.... This is the only thread that matters.
They're not interested in selling a minority stake. It's a power playCould someone explain to me why they would bother with trying to sell a minority stake if they were actually interested in selling the club?
And this hypothesis is based on?The Glazers will not sell the club within the next 3 years. This will all fade to feck all within a week.
At most they'll sell off 10% to raise 300 million which they will put into their own pockets.
Pessimistic thinking designed to protect themselves from bitter disappointmentAnd this hypothesis is based on?
Poor old Fred. He’s not the worst by a long shotWhen speaking to The Times about the possibility of taking over United back then, he said: "[Ineos] never wants to be the dumb money in town, never, never. They [United] are in quite a big pickle as a business.
“They haven't got the manager selection right [Ole Gunnar Solskjaer], haven't bought well. They have been the dumb money, which you see with players like Fred." United paid Shakhtar Donetsk around £50m for the Brazilian in 2018.
Mark Hughes as a manager?or not...
So agreeThis has killed my transfer muppetry. I can't even go over there anymore.... This is the only thread that matters.
This man gets it.Pessimistic thinking designed to protect themselves from bitter disappointment
£5bil seems to be the magic number that would trigger a sale.I'm a bit confused. They want 5 billion just for a minority stake? Or is that the sale price?
It’s not really connected. I guess technically any dilution of Glazer control is a good thing but it’s being mooted to raise money, nothing more.Could someone explain to me why they would bother with trying to sell a minority stake if they were actually interested in selling the club?
Yep.This has killed my transfer muppetry. I can't even go over there anymore.... This is the only thread that matters.
By this quote alone you know he'll be more sensible than the Glazers, Woody, Arnold and MurtoughWhen speaking to The Times about the possibility of taking over United back then, he said: "[Ineos] never wants to be the dumb money in town, never, never. They [United] are in quite a big pickle as a business.
“They haven't got the manager selection right [Ole Gunnar Solskjaer], haven't bought well. They have been the dumb money, which you see with players like Fred." United paid Shakhtar Donetsk around £50m for the Brazilian in 2018.
It depends on their strategy. Sure United now are at a low point, but still it draws massive revenues. With the war and winter coming, along with high probability of huge recession next year it's not outlandish to suggest that they can move their assets elsewhere and that they can lose value even further next year.The Glazers will not sell the club within the next 3 years. This will all fade to feck all within a week.
At most they'll sell off 10% to raise 300 million which they will put into their own pockets.
Selling their own assets (equity in the club that they own) is not the same as paying dividends out of the company's cash flows. I get your point that they've made more money off the club than just the dividends, but each of those sales reduced their ownership and reduces the amount of money they're going to get when they sell the whole club. So the other poster's point is correct that an asset valued at a few billion and paying $10-20m a year in dividends is a not a good annual return on investment. If they sold and put all the proceeds into the market, they'd make way more than that. Now that the asset isn't appreciating further (and may be depreciating), better to take the few billion its worth than continue to hold and the dividends they have been receiving.
He is actually, I consider him, McT and Dalot as the worst first teamers.Poor old Fred. He’s not the worst by a long shot
No. £5bil has long been thought to be the number that will trigger a full sale.They want £5b to sell a minority stake? So the absolute lowest they are valuing the club at is around £10b
It’s only the Irish mirrorNo. £5bil has long been thought to be the number that will trigger a full sale.
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Yeah that makes absolutely no senseIt’s only the Irish mirror
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That's a BS number thrown out for the value of the entire club. Meaning all of the equity, including the 1/3 of the equity that they don't own, and the debt payoff.They want £5b to sell a minority stake? So the absolute lowest they are valuing the club at is around £10b
Well said.Don't even worry about it, all our transfer window consists of now is Murtough on a world tour asking the best players cap in hand if they'll come to united
He's like a worse version of an autograph hunter
They were rumoured to be starting a sports focused fund earlier this year. Also Apollo makes minority stakes all the time.Tweet
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They won’t sell 10% for £300m. SJR would snap their hands off for 100% for £3bnThe Glazers will not sell the club within the next 3 years. This will all fade to feck all within a week.
At most they'll sell off 10% to raise 300 million which they will put into their own pockets.
Absolutely, if this actually has legs then it is 1000 times more exciting than any transfer we could make.This has killed my transfer muppetry. I can't even go over there anymore.... This is the only thread that matters.