He's our Hodgson, as others have said. Things aren't going to magically change between now and next Christmas, so why wait that long?
So is there anyone left supporting Moyes?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Moyes is so far out of his depth I feel sorry for the cnut.
Although not as sorry as I feel for those still supporting him. Based on his 11 year management career what makes you think he is the man to turn this around? Apart from Fergie telling you so?
Not good enough. Was never good enough. a risky appointment gone horribly wrong. Moyes out now.
Although not as sorry as I feel for those still supporting him. Based on his 11 year management career what makes you think he is the man to turn this around? Apart from Fergie telling you so?
Not good enough. Was never good enough. a risky appointment gone horribly wrong. Moyes out now.
Get this inept .... out of the club. Been saying it ever since it was obvious he had no clue what he was doing around December.
Game, mate.
I know, I see this everywhere. OK, we weren't great last season and the other teams are playing better now. But we weren't anywhere near bad enough last season - and the other teams aren't anywhere near good enough this season - to justify the position we currently find ourselves in now.
No need to re-write history to say Moyes took over a dodgy team that was just waiting to collapse. They weren't amazing, but they were still pretty damn good. Good enough to definitely finish top 4 or 3. This is a team that had won the league 5 times in the last 7 years for christ's sake! Moyes is largely to blame for our collapse. Not completely, but largely.
He's had it, our season is over.
Nope. I just googled it though and both are right, with spelled being the regular form and spelt being irregular. That's why it seems the US spell it that way, but the UK use both.
I learned things today.
I think the fact that you felt compelled to make this thread says it all to be honest...
Come on Jake, how many shots did we have? Rooney's shot that was saved, even count RvP's two offside shots and you'd still have trouble finding the rest. He's out of his depth, zero attacking play with Rooney Rvp Mata Januzaj AT HOME, unacceptable, just get him out of the club as soon as possible. Saying but there was this case here and there doesn't wash when we're fecking 7th in the league and been sitting there since November/December.
Well, it's also not beyond impossible to lose to any team in the league, if that's your criteria. We even lost to below Championship team under Fergie.
Fellani and Mata both started. Can't wait to see what happens when we have a whole team of players purchased by Moyes. I mean that's the problem-right? Once he brings in his own players the team will be unstoppable.
Full credit to him for doing what Sir Alex refused to do when we were 3-0 down against City, genuinely the first time this season I've been delighted with a decision he's made.
I dont care what anyone says this isn't a shit Man United side. There's a problem, but it isn't with the talent. Mata, Van Persie and Rooney are three of the best and highest paid players in Europe. Add De Gea to that, and you have more than enough of a base to set up a team capable of challenging for the top 4 (let alone challenging for the title). But we didn't challenge for top 4. We were pretty much out of the race when we lost to Spurs after New Year. What a horrible campaign we've had. And Moyes deserves most of the blame for it. A great manager gets the best out of mediocre players and thrives with the world class ones. He cant even get the best out of our World class players.
There's a common stereotype that football fans are not very bright. Those who continue to support David Moyes give the lie to that.
Edit: wrong thread.
Well, it'll probably only increase the split. Those people who believe that the players are to blame will see it as more evidence of that. Those that believe Moyes is to blame will do the same.
Do you mean shut up shop?
He has spent 65m this season.
It's true. Putting Rio on was important because our title chances this year will come down to goal differential.
The difference is that Liverpool were showing signs a year ago. They were very patchy back then, but you could see what Liverpool were trying to do. They were developing a flexible way of playing based on possession in the middle of the park and based on the interplay of Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and/or Couthino up front. It didn't always work, but you could see the blueprint.
I challenge anyone to tell me what David Moyes vision for Man United is.
I just wish I knew what his tactics/style/intentions are... then I'd be better placed to criticise them
Mata and Fellani both played. Aren't they MFs purchased by Moyes?
I think there are plenty of people that were on the fence like myself who've gone into the out camp today.
When you say give him X amount of time no single result changes that. You give him that time. You don't say in advance give him X amount of time because you're feeling particularly good that day and then revisit it every single week because you're pissed off.
'Let's give him time'
'Ok we lost, he's got to go'
'Ok let's give him time'
'Ok we lost, he's got to go'
'Ok I can accept I was being a bit kneejerk maybe, let's give him time'
'Yay we won, hopefully we can go on to do better'
'Ok we lost, I know I said give him a bit of time, but every time we lose I have to say he has to go so, he has to go.'
Are we going to give managers a set amount of time? Or are we going to periodically revisit it whenever we feel like it because we happened to lose that day.
I can remember everybody saying give him to summer and see if he can fix his mistakes. He cannot fix them between now and then, so no matter how many matches we lose, then he has to get to that point where he can begin to fix the mistakes he made last summer. It doesn't matter if we lose next week, it doesn't matter if we lose the week after. Nothing between now and the summer matters when we can actually see if any lessons were learnt. The season was a write off long ago.
'Let's give him time'
'Ok we lost, he's got to go'
'Ok let's give him time'
'Ok we lost, he's got to go'
'Ok I can accept I was being a bit kneejerk maybe, let's give him time'
'Yay we won, hopefully we can go on to do better'
'Ok we lost, I know I said give him a bit of time, but every time we lose I have to say he has to go so, he has to go.'
Are we going to give managers a set amount of time? Or are we going to periodically revisit it whenever we feel like it because we happened to lose that day.
I can remember everybody saying give him to summer and see if he can fix his mistakes. He cannot fix them between now and then, so no matter how many matches we lose, then he has to get to that point where he can begin to fix the mistakes he made last summer. It doesn't matter if we lose next week, it doesn't matter if we lose the week after. Nothing between now and the summer matters when we can actually see if any lessons were learnt. The season was a write off long ago.
Today was the final straw for me.
I was in this camp but he has shown no improvement. Our squad has deficiencies it's true, and we lack confidence, but a performance like that should never happen
He's not turning this around, it's painfully obvious. A nice man, and a hard working one, but he's just not up to it. The jig is up, David. Do the right thing and step down.
I've never said that, I've wanted him gone for months. I'd rather put my arm in a crocodiles jaw than give him another season, and I'm quite fond of my arm.
Did I say we would react well? I said if we don't react then at that point it will be obvious to me he isn't the man for the job.
My point is, losing today was very likely, especially after Rafael had his annual brain fart and gave away that penalty. That win against Arsenal earlier this season seems so long ago, but I'd wager that we'd have lost that game had we conceded first, with the way things have been going this season.
Rodgers on Moyes' claim MUFC were not favourites. 'I would never say that at Liverpool [at Anfield] even if I was bottom of the league'
Just shows you the difference between a winner and a loser.
Just shows you the difference between a winner and a loser.
Yeah the season is a loss. But the issue is that he has not tried to do anything with it. If he was not getting the results, he could have at least try to change the way we play or try out a few things. But it just seems that he puts on a team out hoping to get a win every match.
He is sticking the boot in, the twat.
I support Moyes. I will still give him to the end of 2016. If things are bad then I might consider calling for him to be sacked just as I considered it to sack Fergie in 89 when we went out to Notts Forest in the cup. The backbone is either gone or past it. Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Evra, and even RVP is playing like a muppet this season. Fellaini is the only thing I hold against Moyes but that was panicking buy to do something in the summer window I think. Mata has come in and he will have all summer to adress things. It will take some doin because I think all above mentioned players plus Valencia, Young, Smalling and maybe some others shouldn´t be anywhere near our first 11. Maybe harsh on Smalling but he has gone from the new Baresi to a new Mal Donkey in my opinion. Unlike most I still have faith in Cleverley though.
I just really want to what his vision is? Every day I think about it, every game I find myself dissecting the game to see if there is any particular pattern to our play. But its just stand still, pass look around, play a ball backwards or if your really daring - a square ball to your teammate standing 3-4 feet away.
I just don't understand it guys
I just don't understand it guys
Agreed that losing is part and parcel of the game. But it's the way we're losing that should be judged.
We'll see how the cnuts do next season with extra games.
I am no expert but some of our players don't look up for the task of pulling ourselves out of this. I'm not expecting Moyes, being new to the job, and not having had time to build up any proper relationship with most of them, to be able to lift them up mentally. People can point out that "the new manager syndrome" happens but it happens to struggling teams, not a side who lost the greatest manager the club has ever had.
This is why I want to at least see Moyes have a couple of seasons to have his own team here.
I am not saying he is blameless in all this. He should have got RVP off, major player or not, and change things at halftime. Maybe he just errs on the side of caution too much. Hence, some of his decisions, like signing Rooney on to a new contract, and refusing to sub out the bigger players when they're having stinkers. That being said, he has been decisive in marginalising Kagawa.
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"Try to win the next game".
I disagree. I think that performances like that will happen to any team at some point. You've just got to get over it and move on.