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Indeed. Benzema needs to be watched for full games to realize how truly vital he is for them in terms of ball movement, clever runs and linking up. Looking only at the stats, which are incredible so far, doesn't do him justice. Without him they'd be truly fecked.
Strikers are judged by goalscoring production to rate how good they actually are. The "don't look at stats" narrative is reserved for players like Roberto Firminos & Lacazettes of the worlds as they are good, but great strikers due to mediocre stats. Benzema was never in the conversation among the best strikers during most of his prime, it's only recently Benzema has consistently scored 20+ LaLiga goals for several years in a row.

Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.

Their goal-per-game averages from top 5 leagues

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 269 league goals in 317 games = 0.85 goals per game
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 222 league goals in 289 games = 0.77 goals per game
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 163 league goals in 231 games = 0.68 goals per game
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 261 league goals in 398 games = 0.66 goals per game
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 208 league goals in 323 games = 0.64 goals per game
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 248 league goals in 400 games = 0.62 goals per game
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20-21): 229 league goals in 455 games = 0.50 goals per game

He seemed to lose a lot of weight to me after the 17/18 season. I don’t know if anyone else has noticed or it’s just my eyes but he came back after summer 2018 considerably leaner and he’s maintained that. That’s coincided with his meteoric rise in form.
Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
 

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Higuain is clearly not better than Benzema so there must be something not quite right with this analysis.

It could be that you're arbitrarily selecting the players' "primes" in order to calculate their average. It could be that you're restricting the goals to "league" goals, which might penalize Benzema, who's won 4 continental titles during his "prime". It could be that you're counting by games and not by minutes.

Their goals-per-90min stats in all competitions are the following:

Suarez (Barcelona, Liverpool) - 0.70
Aguero (Atletico, City) - 0.72
Higuain (RM, Napoli, Juventus) - 0.66
Kane (Tottenham) - 0.75
Lewandowski (Dortmund, Bayern) - 0.86
Benzema (Lyon, RM) - 0.63

The gap closes considerably.

Benzema still has the lowest numbers out of all these players, however if you look at assists-per-90min:

Suarez - 0.39
Aguero - 0.23
Higuain - 0.23
Kane - 0.16
Lewandowski - 0.22
Benzema - 0.32

Benzema and Suarez have considerably higher assists per 'game' than all of the other players. The reason is obvious: they were not the primary attacking player of their teams (Barcelona, RM). This also means they would have scored more otherwise. We know that's the case with Benzema since he's been scoring more ever since Ronaldo left.
 
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Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.
Yea no he beats all of them except Suarez/Lewy/Zlatan in G+A per minutes
And that includes R9,Henry and all the early 21st century strikers
 

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Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
True but I’m not saying he didn’t take care of his body. He definitely got slimmer and leaner as I looked through his pics on Google from pre-2017 and he seemed to have more muscle mass.
 

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Strikers are judged by goalscoring production to rate how good they actually are. The "don't look at stats" narrative is reserved for players like Roberto Firminos & Lacazettes of the worlds as they are good, but great strikers due to mediocre stats. Benzema was never in the conversation among the best strikers during most of his prime, it's only recently Benzema has consistently scored 20+ LaLiga goals for several years in a row.

Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.

Their goal-per-game averages from top 5 leagues

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 269 league goals in 317 games = 0.85 goals per game
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 222 league goals in 289 games = 0.77 goals per game
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 163 league goals in 231 games = 0.68 goals per game
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 261 league goals in 398 games = 0.66 goals per game
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 208 league goals in 323 games = 0.64 goals per game
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 248 league goals in 400 games = 0.62 goals per game
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20-21): 229 league goals in 455 games = 0.50 goals per game



Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
Nice list, but I took the liberty to translate it into a couple of even more relevant ratios (Minutes per goal (min/G) and minutes per goals+assists (min/G+A)) and add a list for Champions League as well:

Top 5 leagues career goalratio:
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 100 min/G
Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 120 min/G
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 121 min/G
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 124 min/G
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 127 min/G
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 128 min/G
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 144 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 83 min/G
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 97 min/G

Top 5 leagues career contribution ratios:

Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 79 min/G+A
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 80 min/G+A
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 86 min/G+A
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 93 min/G+A
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 97 min/G+A
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 98 min/G+A
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 101 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 63 min/G+A
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 69 min/G+A

Champions League goalratio:

Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 104 min/G
Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 110 min/G
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 126 min/G
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 132 min/G
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 204 min/G
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 223 min/G
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 224 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 64 min/G
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 130 min/G

Champions League career contribution ratios:

Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 85 min/G+A
Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 91 min/G+A
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 96 min/G+A
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 103 min/G+A
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 114 min/G+A
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 131 min/G+A
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 149 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 56 min/G+A
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 78 min/G+A

The last generation of strikers were good, but the future generation is more exiting!

Fantastic start to the League season for Benz though.
 

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Strikers are judged by goalscoring production to rate how good they actually are. The "don't look at stats" narrative is reserved for players like Roberto Firminos & Lacazettes of the worlds as they are good, but great strikers due to mediocre stats. Benzema was never in the conversation among the best strikers during most of his prime, it's only recently Benzema has consistently scored 20+ LaLiga goals for several years in a row.

Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.

Their goal-per-game averages from top 5 leagues

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 269 league goals in 317 games = 0.85 goals per game
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 222 league goals in 289 games = 0.77 goals per game
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 163 league goals in 231 games = 0.68 goals per game
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 261 league goals in 398 games = 0.66 goals per game
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 208 league goals in 323 games = 0.64 goals per game
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 248 league goals in 400 games = 0.62 goals per game
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20-21): 229 league goals in 455 games = 0.50 goals per game



Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
Higuain and Cavani are not better than Benzema.
 

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Strikers are judged by goalscoring production to rate how good they actually are. The "don't look at stats" narrative is reserved for players like Roberto Firminos & Lacazettes of the worlds as they are good, but great strikers due to mediocre stats. Benzema was never in the conversation among the best strikers during most of his prime, it's only recently Benzema has consistently scored 20+ LaLiga goals for several years in a row.

Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.

Their goal-per-game averages from top 5 leagues

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 269 league goals in 317 games = 0.85 goals per game
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 222 league goals in 289 games = 0.77 goals per game
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 163 league goals in 231 games = 0.68 goals per game
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 261 league goals in 398 games = 0.66 goals per game
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 208 league goals in 323 games = 0.64 goals per game
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 248 league goals in 400 games = 0.62 goals per game
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20-21): 229 league goals in 455 games = 0.50 goals per game



Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
A lot of stats with very little context here. For a big part of those years he was never main striker of those teams and it's always better to look at goals by mins rather than by games
 

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Nice list, but I took the liberty to translate it into a couple of even more relevant ratios (Minutes per goal (min/G) and minutes per goals+assists (min/G+A)) and add a list for Champions League as well:

Top 5 leagues career goalratio:
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 100 min/G
Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 120 min/G
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 121 min/G
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 124 min/G
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 127 min/G
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 128 min/G
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 144 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 83 min/G
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 97 min/G

Top 5 leagues career contribution ratios:

Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 79 min/G+A
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 80 min/G+A
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 86 min/G+A
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 93 min/G+A
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 97 min/G+A
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 98 min/G+A
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 101 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 63 min/G+A
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 69 min/G+A

Champions League goalratio:

Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 104 min/G
Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 110 min/G
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 126 min/G
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 132 min/G
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 204 min/G
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 223 min/G
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 224 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 64 min/G
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 130 min/G

Champions League career contribution ratios:

Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 85 min/G+A
Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 91 min/G+A
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 96 min/G+A
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 103 min/G+A
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 114 min/G+A
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 131 min/G+A
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 149 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 56 min/G+A
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 78 min/G+A

The last generation of strikers were good, but the future generation is more exiting!

Fantastic start to the League season for Benz though.
Higuain and Cavani are not better than Benzema.
Cavani...
...would place next to Aguero on goalratio in top 5 leagues (Serie A/Ligue 1/Premier League) with 128 min/G.
He would be bottom of this list for Top 5 leagues goal contribution ratio with 107 minutes/G+A
In Champions League he would be places just underneath Benzema with 146 min/G,
and would be even furter down the list when it comes to Champions League goal contribution ratio with 124 min/G+A
 

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Of all mentioned, only Suarez was ever comprehensively better. Lewandowski probably too. The rest are either on Benzema’s level or below him.
 

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Yea no he beats all of them except Suarez/Lewy/Zlatan in G+A per minutes
And that includes R9,Henry and all the early 21st century strikers
Agreed. Would definitely take Benzema over Kane, Aguero, Higuain and Cavani (:lol: at the last 2 being compared to Benzema).

I've always considered Suarez as the best of this era. Then Lewandowski and then the rest.
 

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A lot of stats with very little context here. For a big part of those years he was never main striker of those teams and it's always better to look at goals by mins rather than by games
Would we all be in here now if it wasn't for 8 goals and 7 assists in 6 games to kick of the LaLiga season?
For strikers it will allways be about numbers, but because he wasn't Reals main striker for 9 years he will never be ranked best, and rightfully so, despite probably being the only one on this list to make an assist out of Mbappes bad pass in the EURO's and him being an absolute brilliant supporting striker.

I added all the interesting goals/min and goals+assists/min lists for you as well.

I think that by the end of this season we will see both Haaland and Lewa above him on the Topscorer-lists and the Top goal+assist-list for the Top 5 leagues and the Champions League.
 

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Strikers are judged by goalscoring production to rate how good they actually are. The "don't look at stats" narrative is reserved for players like Roberto Firminos & Lacazettes of the worlds as they are good, but great strikers due to mediocre stats. Benzema was never in the conversation among the best strikers during most of his prime, it's only recently Benzema has consistently scored 20+ LaLiga goals for several years in a row.

Benzema has an impressive longevity, but he is not a top 5 striker during his era. Lewy, Surez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero, Higuain & Zlatan are all better.

Their goal-per-game averages from top 5 leagues

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 269 league goals in 317 games = 0.85 goals per game
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 222 league goals in 289 games = 0.77 goals per game
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 163 league goals in 231 games = 0.68 goals per game
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 261 league goals in 398 games = 0.66 goals per game
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 208 league goals in 323 games = 0.64 goals per game
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 248 league goals in 400 games = 0.62 goals per game
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20-21): 229 league goals in 455 games = 0.50 goals per game



Benzema always took a great care of his body, just not recently. Look at his older IG images.
To be a "striker in your prime" you don't necessarily need to score 20+ goals for several years in a row. It should also be taken into consideration that Benzema has almost 200 assists in his career, in a period where those assists mattered.
I'd take Benzema over Kane, Higuain, Aguero and Zlatan every day of the week. These 4 can't even be compared, none of them played at the level and pressure Benzema has been playing consistently.
There's something special playing 10-12 seasons for the biggest club in the world and winning what, 4-5 UCL's compared to playing for Spurs, City, Napoli and whatever clubs Zlatan played for less than 2 seasons.

The guy played for almost 10 years along a player that scored 50 goals a season, what did the others do during this time:
- Hmm, Zlatan cried like a baby and left Barca because of another one that scored 50 a season
- Higuain left Madrid because of the same player that scored 50 a season
- Aguero scored 20 a season constantly in the EPL and won jack shit outside of it

I think y'all are too drawn into the stats since Messi and Ronaldo popped up on the scene.

Based on goal involvments per game (G+A), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar would be on the same level of Rooney, Aguero, Benzema, Cavani , was he a better striker than them? Based on goals alone he'd beat all of them; stats are not everything.
You can't even compare two cars using stats and people these days compare actual people, lame, just lame.
 

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Would we all be in here now if it wasn't for 8 goals and 7 assists in 6 games to kick of the LaLiga season?
For strikers it will allways be about numbers, but because he wasn't Reals main striker for 9 years he will never be ranked best, and rightfully so, despite probably being the only one on this list to make an assist out of Mbappes bad pass in the EURO's and him being an absolute brilliant supporting striker.

I added all the interesting goals/min and goals+assists/min lists for you as well.

I think that by the end of this season we will see both Haaland and Lewa above him on the Topscorer-lists and the Top goal+assist-list for the Top 5 leagues and the Champions League.
Numbers are important, don't get me wrong and the ones you posted are more comprehensive than the ones I criticized.
Numbers and context analyzed together give a much idea of the kinda player he is. Notice I didn't even say "striker" as there are others who have always scored more than him and always will. Benzema is truly unique for me. He is a proper footballer.
 

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Based on goal involvments per game (G+A), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar would be on the same level of Rooney, Aguero, Benzema, Cavani , was he a better striker than them? Based on goals alone he'd beat all of them; stats are not everything.
You can't even compare two cars using stats and people these days compare actual people, lame, just lame.
Hehe! I need to arrest you a little here, since I am a "stats man". The numbers quoted in the lists above are from Champions League and Top 5 league only, and "even Benzema" beats mr. Huntelaar by that standard:
Top 5 leagues (Serie A, LaLiga, Bundesliga) 0,43 G/game, 171 min/G - 0,55 G+A/game, 134 min/G+A
Champions League 178 min/G - 147 min/G+A

Are you saying we can't compare athletes based on their merits? Has that become lame now? I'm bold enough to think that Usain bolt was a better sprinter than both Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay even though they had "better sprinting technique", based on the lame idea that he was the best at the key thing in sprint: Getting over the finishline in the shortest amount of time.
I'm even bold enough to say that getting the ball over the goalline or assisting a teammate to get it over the goalline is a key qualities to have for strikers in football, and more measurable than personal takes from the "eye-test".
We are not using stats to compare people, we are using stats to compare footballers ability to play football - Not the same thing.
 

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Marca now leading the PR for Benzema and the Ballon D'Or. They spent the better part of 5 or 6 years downplaying him, since Ronaldo left he's the 2nd coming of god for the Madrid press.

He's been severely underrated for almost all of his career. I've always liked him, and whenever he had a couple blunters of seasons in goalscoring, his all around game kept intact nad he worked perfectly with Ronaldo. Gotta say I'm happy he's putting up the numbers right now since 2019.
 

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I'm even bold enough to say that getting the ball over the goalline or assisting a teammate to get it over the goalline is a key qualities to have for strikers in football, and more measurable than personal takes from the "eye-test".
I think the issue is that 'goals' is affected by multiple factors, not only the individual quality of a player. That, I think, is quite well established, and is the reason why stuff like xG exists. When you account for the influence of those factors, it may well be that the difference in goals, or goals-per-game, between two players, isn't sufficiently large for us to really be able to claim that one is 'better' than the other.
 

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Suarez > Benzema
Benzema > Higuain
Benzema > Cavani
Benzema > Aguero
Benzema > Higuain :lol:

I don’t really know about Zlatan and Lewa. Lewa was for awhile criticised for failing in the UCL for Bayern. But obviously his performances now are incredible. Zlatan, his UCL performances have been average throughout his career, unlike Benzema.
 

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Hehe! I need to arrest you a little here, since I am a "stats man". The numbers quoted in the lists above are from Champions League and Top 5 league only, and "even Benzema" beats mr. Huntelaar by that standard:
Top 5 leagues (Serie A, LaLiga, Bundesliga) 0,43 G/game, 171 min/G - 0,55 G+A/game, 134 min/G+A
Champions League 178 min/G - 147 min/G+A

Are you saying we can't compare athletes based on their merits? Has that become lame now? I'm bold enough to think that Usain bolt was a better sprinter than both Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay even though they had "better sprinting technique", based on the lame idea that he was the best at the key thing in sprint: Getting over the finishline in the shortest amount of time.
I'm even bold enough to say that getting the ball over the goalline or assisting a teammate to get it over the goalline is a key qualities to have for strikers in football, and more measurable than personal takes from the "eye-test".
We are not using stats to compare people, we are using stats to compare footballers ability to play football - Not the same thing.
I think you're old enough not to compare a team sport with sprinting.

If you compare athletes based on their merits, Aguero, Kane, Zlatan and Higuain won 0 Champions Leagues, 0 squared, where are their merits?
Goals scored count to shit if you don't win stuff, my opinion is that's the merit in a team sport, not who scores the most.

I'm a stats guy myself, that's what I do for work, but I'd never use stats to compare two humans in such a linear manner as stats tell you only one side of a story.
I'm going to ask you a simple question, not being condescending or anything like that, an F12 Berlinetta is slower than a Tesla Model S in all categories bar top speed, which is the better car? Or let's imagine a scenario, if Messi retired at Barca and scored 700 goals, while Zlatan played for a gazillion of clubs and scored 700 goals, who's the better player using only stats?

I'm not being deliberately obtuse, I can see your point and, until a certain level, I agree with it. But you can't come on a football fans forum (being a fan instantly brings emotion and feeling into the conversation) and ask them to say "which is the better player based on these stats" because we'd not be fans anymore, we'd just be competitors on Who wants to be a billionaire.

I'm not mooting your point or your work, I'm not the type of guy to take my opinion and slap you in the face with it, I'm just trying to say that stats don't take emotion into account and individual results in a team based game don't really mean much in regards to the overall performance of the team as there are other variables at play, like effort, commitment, coach, tactics, compatibility, hell even fans, so the comparison is too blunt.

I can also put using the brain of a liverpool supporter : "If Higuain, Zlatan, Kane and Aguero would have been top players at their peak, they would've dragged their team to a champions league"(or, in case of Harry "I'm English" Kane, to at least a fecking Carabao cup).
 

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A lot of stats with very little context here. For a big part of those years he was never main striker of those teams and it's always better to look at goals by mins rather than by games
Indeed.

The fact that Benzema played most of his peak along Cristiano, who is the ultimate goal machine in modern football, will obviously affect his goal stats during that period.
You can see the difference in his goal stats in La Liga now that CR7 is gone, and he even scored many goals with CR7, except for a couple of seasons.

No way Cavani,Higuaín,Kane, and Agüero are better than Benzema for scoring more, as Benzema wasn't the main striker when CR7 was in Madrid.
Those are things that stats don't show, which is why stats means nothing without context.
 
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He’s like Rooney after Ronaldo left. When Ronaldo was there he sacrificed himself too accommodate Ronaldo which obviously was the right thing and 4 CL proves it but since he’s gone he is the main man and showing how incredibly all rounded he is
 

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Suarez > Benzema
Benzema > Higuain
Benzema > Cavani
Benzema > Aguero
Benzema > Higuain :lol:

I don’t really know about Zlatan and Lewa. Lewa was for awhile criticised for failing in the UCL for Bayern. But obviously his performances now are incredible. Zlatan, his UCL performances have been average throughout his career, unlike Benzema.
Zlatan might be better player than Benzema, but not a better striker.

Also Zlatan boosted his stats in Ligue 1, outside of France 28 goals(in Serie A) was his best, while in France his best was 38 goals.

Im sure if Benzema goes back to Lyon as main striker he can score a bunch there to boost his stats like Zlatan did.
 

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Nice list, but I took the liberty to translate it into a couple of even more relevant ratios (Minutes per goal (min/G) and minutes per goals+assists (min/G+A)) and add a list for Champions League as well:

Top 5 leagues career goalratio:
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 100 min/G
Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 120 min/G
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 121 min/G
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 124 min/G
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 127 min/G
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 128 min/G
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 144 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 83 min/G
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 97 min/G

Top 5 leagues career contribution ratios:

Luis Suarez (Premier League/LaLiga) - 237 goals and 121 assists in 339 games - 79 min/G+A
Robert Lewandowski (Bundesliga) - 284 goals and 71 assists in 355 games - 80 min/G+A
Zlatan (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A/Ligue 1) - 294 goals and 121 assists in 441 games - 86 min/G+A
Benzema (LaLiga/Ligue 1) - 243 goals and 134 assists in 501 games - 93 min/G+A
Aguero (Premier League/LaLiga) - 258 goals and 84 assists in 450 games - 97 min/G+A
Higuain (Premier League/LaLiga/Serie A) - 237 goals and 72 assists in 428 games - 98 min/G+A
Harry Kane (Premier League) - 166 goals and 38 assists in 249 games - 101 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland (Bundesliga) - 47 goals and 15 assists in 48 games - 63 min/G+A
Mbappe (Ligue 1) - 111 goals and 45 assists in 155 games - 69 min/G+A

Champions League goalratio:

Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 104 min/G
Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 110 min/G
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 126 min/G
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 132 min/G
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 204 min/G
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 223 min/G
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 224 min/G

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 64 min/G
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 130 min/G

Champions League career contribution ratios:

Robert Lewandowski - 75 goals and 22 assists in 97 games - 85 min/G+A
Harry Kane - 20 goals and 3 assists in 24 games - 91 min/G+A
Benzema - 71 goals and 27 assists in 131 games - 96 min/G+A
Aguero - 41 goals and 9 assists in 79 games - 103 min/G+A
Luis Suarez - 26 goals and 25 assists in 67 games - 114 min/G+A
Zlatan - 48 goals and 27 assists in 120 games - 131 min/G+A
Higuain - 24 goals and 12 assists in 79 games - 149 min/G+A

Knocking on the door:
Haaland - 21 goals and 3 assists in 17 games - 56 min/G+A
Mbappe - 27 goals and 18 assists in 46 games - 78 min/G+A

The last generation of strikers were good, but the future generation is more exiting!

Fantastic start to the League season for Benz though.
Looking at those stats and the Knocking on the door.
I have Benzema amnesia. Just sign the boy from Norway.
 

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Higuain is clearly not better than Benzema so there must be something not quite right with this analysis.

It could be that you're arbitrarily selecting the players' "primes" in order to calculate their average. It could be that you're restricting the goals to "league" goals, which might penalize Benzema, who's won 4 continental titles during his "prime". It could be that you're counting by games and not by minutes.

Their goals-per-90min stats in all competitions are the following:

Suarez (Barcelona, Liverpool) - 0.70
Aguero (Atletico, City) - 0.72
Higuain (RM, Napoli, Juventus) - 0.66
Kane (Tottenham) - 0.75
Lewandowski (Dortmund, Bayern) - 0.86
Benzema (Lyon, RM) - 0.63

The gap closes considerably.

Benzema still has the lowest numbers out of all these players, however if you look at assists-per-90min:

Suarez - 0.39
Aguero - 0.23
Higuain - 0.23
Kane - 0.16
Lewandowski - 0.22
Benzema - 0.32

Benzema and Suarez have considerably higher assists per 'game' than all of the other players. The reason is obvious: they were not the primary attacking player of their teams (Barcelona, RM). This also means they would have scored more otherwise. We know that's the case with Benzema since he's been scoring more ever since Ronaldo left.
Prime Benzema has been a starter throughout his career (except 1-2 seasons rotating with Higuain). That's why I'm counting by games instead of minutes.

I'm not "arbitrarily" selecting the players' primes. Not everyone have their breakout seasons at the same time. A 20-year-old Harry Kane was a bench warmer for Tottenham while a 19-year Benzema made 31 goals at the same age. It would be equally unfair if I included underwhelming stats from a player who's clearly past his prime. That's why it's much more interesting to look how good these players actually were in their prime years.

As for Champions League, it doesn't provide nearly as big of a sample size compared to domestic league campaigns. Also, not everyone have the luxury to play Champions League every year. Luis Suarez & Cavani didn't start play UCL consistently until they were 27.

For the sake of argument, I'll use goals-per-90min stats from top 5 leagues during their prime years. The minutes is taken from Transfermarkt.

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 234 league non-penalty goals in 26 546 minutes = 0.79 goals per 90
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 210 league non-penalty goals in 24 363 minutes = 0.78 goals per 90
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 193 league non-penalty goals in 23 762 minutes = 0.73 goals per 90
Prime Edinson Cavani (10/11-18/19): 178 league non-penalty goals in 23 282 minutes = 0.69 goals per 90
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 220 league non-penalty goals in 30 050 minutes = 0.66 goals per 90
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 139 league non-penalty goals in 19 674 minutes = 0.64 goals per 90
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20/21): 215 league non-penalty goals in 32 744 minutes = 0.59 goals per 90
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 211 league non-penalty goals in 32 525 minutes = 0.58 goals per 90

Even when I was generous enough to remove penalties, Benzema is still coming up short against many other striker. Although he beats out Zlatan by by the slightest of margins.

Benzema is nowhere near close being a top 3 striker of his generation.

Higuain and Cavani are not better than Benzema.
Yes, they certainly are going by their goalscoring production in their primes.

A lot of stats with very little context here. For a big part of those years he was never main striker of those teams and it's always better to look at goals by mins rather than by games
Benzema has been an undisputed starter during most of his prime, it's standard praxis to look at goals per game.

And? That's 100% on Benzema for not leaving Real Madrid & be the focal point elsewhere way sooner like Higuain did. Lewandowsi & Suarez are considered far superior than Benzema nonetheless and rightfully so despite they've been the main striker. Cavani, Kane, Higuain & Aguero are also better than Benzema.

Of all mentioned, only Suarez was ever comprehensively better. Lewandowski probably too. The rest are either on Benzema’s level or below him.
Lewandowski has consistently made 20+ BuLi goals & had insane peak with 41 BuLi goals. He's levels above Benzema.

Almost everyone in their prime are clearly above Prime Benzema's level going by their goalscoring productivity.

Yea no he beats all of them except Suarez/Lewy/Zlatan in G+A per minutes
And that includes R9,Henry and all the early 21st century strikers
Did you just say Benzema is as good as Prime Thierry Henry? :lol:


Agreed. Would definitely take Benzema over Kane, Aguero, Higuain and Cavani (:lol: at the last 2 being compared to Benzema).

I've always considered Suarez as the best of this era. Then Lewandowski and then the rest.
How can you put Suarez/Lewandowski above Benzema due to better goalscoring numbers, but not Kane/Aguero/Higuain/Cavani for same reason?

It's very contradicting from your side...


Imagine thinking Higuain was better than Benzema :houllier:
I'm not sure what's funny, Higuain was a fantastic striker in his prime (as I provided with stats). I still remember what Mourinho said about Benzema when they were both at Real, after Higuain got injured: "If I can't hunt with a dog, I will hunt with a cat. With a dog you hunt more and you hunt better. But if you have not got a dog and you have got a cat, you hunt with a cat."



Suarez > Benzema
Benzema > Higuain
Benzema > Cavani
Benzema > Aguero
Benzema > Higuain :lol:

I don’t really know about Zlatan and Lewa. Lewa was for awhile criticised for failing in the UCL for Bayern. But obviously his performances now are incredible. Zlatan, his UCL performances have been average throughout his career, unlike Benzema.
Prime Suarez has made 25 UCL-goals in 62 games, including where made 5 UCL-goals in 30 games or went scoreless in 6 games last season.

It's very hypocritical you give Suarez a pass for his overwhelming bad UCL performances, but you're are holding Zlatan's UCL-perfomances against him.

If you say "Benzema > Zlatan" among best strikers in history due to UCL, then it's fair. But keep the same energy and start saying "Benzema > Suarez".

Indeed.

The fact that Benzema played most of his peak along Cristiano, who is the ultimate goal machine in modern football, will obviously affect his goal stats during that period.
You can see the difference in his goal stats in La Liga now that CR7 is gone, and he even scored many goals with CR7, except for a couple of seasons.

No way Cavani,Higuaín,Kane, and Agüero are better than Benzema for scoring more, as Benzema wasn't the main striker when CR7 was in Madrid.
Those are things that stats don't show, which is why stats means nothing without context.
Benzema was always the main striker at Real Madrid with Cristiano playing as an left inside forward...

By your reasoning, do you also think Lewandowski & Suarez aren't better Benzema for scoring? I hope keep the same energy & say no to my question.
 

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Prime Benzema has been a starter throughout his career (except 1-2 seasons rotating with Higuain). That's why I'm counting by games instead of minutes.

I'm not "arbitrarily" selecting the players' primes. Not everyone have their breakout seasons at the same time. A 20-year-old Harry Kane was a bench warmer for Tottenham while a 19-year Benzema made 31 goals at the same age. It would be equally unfair if I included underwhelming stats from a player who's clearly past his prime. That's why it's much more interesting to look how good these players actually were in their prime years.

As for Champions League, it doesn't provide nearly as big of a sample size compared to domestic league campaigns. Also, not everyone have the luxury to play Champions League every year. Luis Suarez & Cavani didn't start play UCL consistently until they were 27.

For the sake of argument, I'll use goals-per-90min stats from top 5 leagues during their prime years. The minutes is taken from Transfermarkt.

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 234 league non-penalty goals in 26 546 minutes = 0.79 goals per 90
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 210 league non-penalty goals in 24 363 minutes = 0.78 goals per 90
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 193 league non-penalty goals in 23 762 minutes = 0.73 goals per 90
Prime Edinson Cavani (10/11-18/19): 178 league non-penalty goals in 23 282 minutes = 0.69 goals per 90
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 220 league non-penalty goals in 30 050 minutes = 0.66 goals per 90
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 139 league non-penalty goals in 19 674 minutes = 0.64 goals per 90
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20/21): 215 league non-penalty goals in 32 744 minutes = 0.59 goals per 90
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 211 league non-penalty goals in 32 525 minutes = 0.58 goals per 90

Even when I was generous enough to remove penalties, Benzema is still coming up short against many other striker. Although he beats out Zlatan by by the slightest of margins.

Benzema is nowhere near close being a top 3 striker of his generation.



Yes, they certainly are going by their goalscoring production in their primes.



Benzema has been an undisputed starter during most of his prime, it's standard praxis to look at goals per game.

And? That's 100% on Benzema for not leaving Real Madrid & be the focal point elsewhere way sooner like Higuain did. Lewandowsi & Suarez are considered far superior than Benzema nonetheless and rightfully so despite they've been the main striker. Cavani, Kane, Higuain & Aguero are also better than Benzema.



Lewandowski has consistently made 20+ BuLi goals & had insane peak with 41 BuLi goals. He's levels above Benzema.

Almost everyone in their prime are clearly above Prime Benzema's level going by their goalscoring productivity.



Did you just say Benzema is as good as Prime Thierry Henry? :lol:




How can you put Suarez/Lewandowski above Benzema due to better goalscoring numbers, but not Kane/Aguero/Higuain/Cavani for same reason?

It's very contradicting from your side...




I'm not sure what's funny, Higuain was a fantastic striker in his prime (as I provided with stats). I still remember what Mourinho said about Benzema when they were both at Real, after Higuain got injured: "If I can't hunt with a dog, I will hunt with a cat. With a dog you hunt more and you hunt better. But if you have not got a dog and you have got a cat, you hunt with a cat."





Prime Suarez has made 25 UCL-goals in 62 games, including where made 5 UCL-goals in 30 games or went scoreless in 6 games last season.

It's very hypocritical you give Suarez a pass for his overwhelming bad UCL performances, but you're are holding Zlatan's UCL-perfomances against him.

If you say "Benzema > Zlatan" among best strikers in history due to UCL, then it's fair. But keep the same energy and start saying "Benzema > Suarez".



Benzema was always the main striker at Real Madrid with Cristiano playing as an left inside forward...

By your reasoning, do you also think Lewandowski & Suarez aren't better Benzema for scoring? I hope keep the same energy & say no to my question.
I don't care how the starting XI looks on the pitch before the mach starts, look at the game.
CR7 has played more close to the goal box than Benzema for many years, the fact the Cristiano was absorbing at least 80% of the goals of Real Madrid speaks for it self.
I do think Lewandowski and Suárez are better than Benzema; Kane,Aguero, and Higuaín NO.
The fact that Aguero and Higuaín are done at top level by 33 should be considered when comparing entire careers to see who's better.

Stats don't show that Benzema played along the ultimate goal machine Cristiano who was at least scoring 80% of the goals of RM.
I consider Suarez better striker because despite playing along the other goal machine Lionel Messi, he still scored more than Benzema.

If you look only at stats Aguero and Kane are equally as good as Thierry Henry, nobody in their right mind would ever say that.
 

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How can you put Suarez/Lewandowski above Benzema due to better goalscoring numbers, but not Kane/Aguero/Higuain/Cavani for same reason?

It's very contradicting from your side...
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Benzema was always the main striker at Real Madrid with Cristiano playing as an left inside forward...
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Suarez for me was complete. At his best he could do anything, hold the ball up, impose himself physically, run the channel, score wonder goals, tap ins, best defenders, everything. And he had that magical quality to his game the truly elite players do. So no, it's not just statistics, it's that plus his general play.

Lewandowski I'm less sure ahout as I see less of him. But from what I understand he's an absolute goal machine like RVN plus and unlike players like Aguero, Cavani etc he seems to do it at every level. I could be wrong about him but from all accounts this view is right.

The likes of Kane and Aguero are great goalscorers but Benzema is clearly better. Benzema has much more to his game then Aguero, and manages to stay fit (and score heaps in the CL). Kane puts good numbers up but in terms of accomplishments and performing at the highest level he doesn't have enough to merit a comparison to Benzema. He's never been a big player for a great team and has spent his career winning statistics battles at Spurs.

Cavani just doesn't belong in this conversation. We all like him, he's got great mentality and his movement is simply brilliant. But he's not comparable to these strikers being discussed. Him and Benzema are miles apart.

Also, it had to be considered that Benzema, like Rooney, had to sacrifice his productivity for the interest of the team.
 

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Suarez for me was complete. At his best he could do anything, hold the ball up, impose himself physically, run the channel, score wonder goals, tap ins, best defenders, everything. And he had that magical quality to his game the truly elite players do. So no, it's not just statistics, it's that plus his general play.

Lewandowski I'm less sure ahout as I see less of him. But from what I understand he's an absolute goal machine like RVN plus and unlike players like Aguero, Cavani etc he seems to do it at every level. I could be wrong about him but from all accounts this view is right.

The likes of Kane and Aguero are great goalscorers but Benzema is clearly better. Benzema has much more to his game then Aguero, and manages to stay fit (and score heaps in the CL). Kane puts good numbers up but in terms of accomplishments and performing at the highest level he doesn't have enough to merit a comparison to Benzema. He's never been a big player for a great team and has spent his career winning statistics battles at Spurs.

Cavani just doesn't belong in this conversation. We all like him, he's got great mentality and his movement is simply brilliant. But he's not comparable to these strikers being discussed. Him and Benzema are miles apart.

Also, it had to be considered that Benzema, like Rooney, had to sacrifice his productivity for the interest of the team.
This is pretty much my view too. Stats matter but only to a point, you also have to do the eye test and evaluate all aspects of how the player plays.

If you've given me a choice of the post 2010-ish strikers, it would be:
1) Suarez
2) Benzema
3) One of Lewandowski, Kane or Aguero depending on the type of team you have. Probably harsh on Lewa given how highly people rate him but he was always underwhelming for me in the big games in the competition I watched him the most in, the Champions League.
 

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When Ronaldo was here and at his best 07/08 season then 08/09 Rooney was sacrificed to accommodate Ronaldo and he got 18 and 20 goals.
When Ronaldo left Rooney hit 34 when he became the main man.
Benzema has 4 CL medals because of sacrificing himself to accommodate Ronaldo but it is the reason his goal scoring record was lower.
Firmino is a good example yes he wouldn’t score 30+ but he would score a lot more but instead his job is too drop deep for Salah and Mane to benefit.
 

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ban statistics. make people forget what averages mean. delete medians from the dictionary.
 

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People saying Higuain is better than Benzema must be one the most ridiculous footballing opinions I've seen on here in years. And the amount of effort gone into spinning stats to prove it :lol: If you actually watch football it's not even a debate. Hilarious.
 

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People saying Higuain is better than Benzema must be one the most ridiculous footballing opinions I've seen on here in years. And the amount of effort gone into spinning stats to prove it :lol: If you actually watch football it's not even a debate. Hilarious.
Completely agree. Just watch the games and it’s clear to see.
 

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Only one I’m not sure on is Aguero. I think Aguero was an absolute beast in his prime and probably better than Benzema overall for me, but clearly Benzema is the better player now. I’d have Benzema as levels above Higuian though and better than Kane too.
 

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@Drygon, again the way you take (or don't) context is so flawed. Benzema starting games doesn't mean he was main scorer of his team (specially when Ronaldo was also taking a lot of pens during his R.Madrid).
When Ronaldo was here and at his best 07/08 season then 08/09 Rooney was sacrificed to accommodate Ronaldo and he got 18 and 20 goals.
When Ronaldo left Rooney hit 34 when he became the main man.
Benzema has 4 CL medals because of sacrificing himself to accommodate Ronaldo but it is the reason his goal scoring record was lower.
Firmino is a good example yes he wouldn’t score 30+ but he would score a lot more but instead his job is too drop deep for Salah and Mane to benefit.
This is as simple as that. I actually cannot believe this newbie cannot grasp such an easy thing to understand.


People saying Higuain is better than Benzema must be one the most ridiculous footballing opinions I've seen on here in years. And the amount of effort gone into spinning stats to prove it :lol: If you actually watch football it's not even a debate. Hilarious.
That's why stats without watching games and without looking at teams in details and the role of each player, don't give one a full and valid picture of things. Whatever numbers one spin, if one of its conclusion is that Higuain is better than Benzema then really the beauty and complexity of football is lost on them
 

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Prime Benzema has been a starter throughout his career (except 1-2 seasons rotating with Higuain). That's why I'm counting by games instead of minutes.

I'm not "arbitrarily" selecting the players' primes. Not everyone have their breakout seasons at the same time. A 20-year-old Harry Kane was a bench warmer for Tottenham while a 19-year Benzema made 31 goals at the same age. It would be equally unfair if I included underwhelming stats from a player who's clearly past his prime. That's why it's much more interesting to look how good these players actually were in their prime years.

As for Champions League, it doesn't provide nearly as big of a sample size compared to domestic league campaigns. Also, not everyone have the luxury to play Champions League every year. Luis Suarez & Cavani didn't start play UCL consistently until they were 27.

For the sake of argument, I'll use goals-per-90min stats from top 5 leagues during their prime years. The minutes is taken from Transfermarkt.

Prime Robert Lewandowski (11/12-20/21): 234 league non-penalty goals in 26 546 minutes = 0.79 goals per 90
Prime Luis Suarez (12/13-20/21): 210 league non-penalty goals in 24 363 minutes = 0.78 goals per 90
Prime Gonzalo Higuain (08/09-17/18): 193 league non-penalty goals in 23 762 minutes = 0.73 goals per 90
Prime Edinson Cavani (10/11-18/19): 178 league non-penalty goals in 23 282 minutes = 0.69 goals per 90
Prime Sergio Aguero (07/08-19/20): 220 league non-penalty goals in 30 050 minutes = 0.66 goals per 90
Prime Harry Kane (14/15-20/21): 139 league non-penalty goals in 19 674 minutes = 0.64 goals per 90
Prime Karim Benzema: (07/08-20/21): 215 league non-penalty goals in 32 744 minutes = 0.59 goals per 90
Prime Zlatan Ibrahimovic (04/05-16/17): 211 league non-penalty goals in 32 525 minutes = 0.58 goals per 90

Even when I was generous enough to remove penalties, Benzema is still coming up short against many other striker. Although he beats out Zlatan by by the slightest of margins.

Benzema is nowhere near close being a top 3 striker of his generation.



Yes, they certainly are going by their goalscoring production in their primes.



Benzema has been an undisputed starter during most of his prime, it's standard praxis to look at goals per game.

And? That's 100% on Benzema for not leaving Real Madrid & be the focal point elsewhere way sooner like Higuain did. Lewandowsi & Suarez are considered far superior than Benzema nonetheless and rightfully so despite they've been the main striker. Cavani, Kane, Higuain & Aguero are also better than Benzema.



Lewandowski has consistently made 20+ BuLi goals & had insane peak with 41 BuLi goals. He's levels above Benzema.

Almost everyone in their prime are clearly above Prime Benzema's level going by their goalscoring productivity.



Did you just say Benzema is as good as Prime Thierry Henry? :lol:




How can you put Suarez/Lewandowski above Benzema due to better goalscoring numbers, but not Kane/Aguero/Higuain/Cavani for same reason?

It's very contradicting from your side...




I'm not sure what's funny, Higuain was a fantastic striker in his prime (as I provided with stats). I still remember what Mourinho said about Benzema when they were both at Real, after Higuain got injured: "If I can't hunt with a dog, I will hunt with a cat. With a dog you hunt more and you hunt better. But if you have not got a dog and you have got a cat, you hunt with a cat."





Prime Suarez has made 25 UCL-goals in 62 games, including where made 5 UCL-goals in 30 games or went scoreless in 6 games last season.

It's very hypocritical you give Suarez a pass for his overwhelming bad UCL performances, but you're are holding Zlatan's UCL-perfomances against him.

If you say "Benzema > Zlatan" among best strikers in history due to UCL, then it's fair. But keep the same energy and start saying "Benzema > Suarez".



Benzema was always the main striker at Real Madrid with Cristiano playing as an left inside forward...

By your reasoning, do you also think Lewandowski & Suarez aren't better Benzema for scoring? I hope keep the same energy & say no to my question.
The way you reduce the quality of a striker to nothing more than goals is just utterly dull.

Argument ad Wikipedium. No need to watch players play to determine how good they were.

By your metrics, Bergkamp was nothing special and Andy Cole vastly superior to Eric Cantona.

Besides being reductive and inadequate, it is simply an utterly joyless approach to football. Watch some fecking games.
 

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Seems to have been round for an eternity as well. It was bloomin ages ago when SAF went toe to toe with RM for his signature.
 

Lebo

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You can never rate footballers on stats. Eye test will always be better. Even minutes per game doesn’t show whether your team was trying to see out the game or having a go at the other team . Benzema is a great striker but not better than Suarez, Arguero, Lewandoski.

he is definitely better than Higuain. I’m honestly not sure about Zlatan and Cavani as I never really watched them enough to have an opinion. The few times I watched Inter , I preferred Adriano