RedNome
Cnut Rating: 9 (Conservative)
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Yeah, still some key ones missing sadly, and some gone forever, RIP ukbobSame as ever, mate. Nice to see so many back lately.
Yeah, still some key ones missing sadly, and some gone forever, RIP ukbobSame as ever, mate. Nice to see so many back lately.
Aye.Yeah, still some key ones missing sadly, and some gone forever, RIP ukbob
Casemiro did nothing wrong. Giving the ref "a golden opportunity" isn't an argument. The ref should do his job (albeit despite his atrocious performance, I don't blame him for giving the red card given the 0.5 sec video that was given to him. I blame the stupid fecks at VAR)Yes. I'm fine with them throwing punches and shoving... Casemiro gave the ref a golden opportunity. It's just a braindead action. I'm totally fine with him being red carded. Such a stupid action.
It's not 'refuse to acknowledge any fault'.Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word 'support'.
Given this entire exchange is based on videos I suspect you simply haven't bothered to read it. That explains the rest of your post, I suppose.And yet you seem to have formed your opinion based on a still frame, an imagined version of the rules and some mysterious alternative definition of words that the refereeing community apparently use.
I've already acknowledged the fault of VAR in all this, hence my 'support' for Casimero.It's not 'refuse to acknowledge any fault'.
Jesus I hope the lad is ok and will make a speedy recovery, he could have easily died there as a result of such a violent assault.
I didn't realise you were a VAR supporter and not a United supporter. But good on you for acknowledging that you can support something but also accept it can make a mistake!I've already acknowledged the fault of VAR in all this, hence my 'support' for Casimero.
Er, yeah, most people are using multiple videos as the basis for their decision (as VAR should have given the ref the opportunity to do) - you, however, seem reluctant to do that as your entire position is based on one still frame photo that gives the impression that Casemiro is throttling Will Hughes. Given that we have a plethora of other material to look at why are you sticking so firmly to your original assertion? Even the likes of Lineker - who never misses the opportunity to put the boot in - seems to have revised his initial opinion. I've read the entire exchange thanks, and my opinion - admittedly without the benefit of a VAR check - is that you are talking shit.Given this entire exchange is based on videos I suspect you simply haven't bothered to read it. That explains the rest of your post, I suppose.
I support your right to post and also acknowledge that you made a mistake in your findings.I didn't realise you were a VAR supporter and not a United supporter. But good on you for acknowledging that you can support something but also accept it can make a mistake!
4 points seems likeliest since it's twice in 5 days and now without Casemiro, but yeah it's certainly doable. Probably will need something special in one game from Rashford or a set piece plus game or De Gea save of the year or something, but lots of ways to get it done.Sabitzer and Fred in midfield two should be more than enough to beat Leeds. EtH will figure it out. In our gaffer we trust!
I'm glad you're starting to get it hope the hangover isn't too bad in the morning.I support your right to post and also acknowledge that you made a mistake in your findings.
I simply don't think you've read my posts if you think my view is based on one image. The only purpose of the image was to show where Casemiro's thumbs were to show that he couldn't be grabbing his collar like it appeared in one angle.Er, yeah, most people are using multiple videos as the basis for their decision (as VAR should have given the ref the opportunity to do) - you, however, seem reluctant to do that as your entire position is based on one still frame photo that gives the impression that Casemiro is throttling Will Hughes. Given that we have a plethora of other material to look at why are you sticking so firmly to your original assertion? Even the likes of Lineker - who never misses the opportunity to put the boot in - seems to have revised his initial opinion. I've read the entire exchange thanks, and my opinion - admittedly without the benefit of a VAR check - is that you are talking shit.
Away game concerns me,so glad we brought in Sabitzer over the other options because he has that defensive abilities too.If we appeal and lose his ban gets extended doesn't it? Probably best leaving it, we should be able to deal with Leeds and Leicester without him.
Most people only saw the original angle. Calm yourself there.Embarrassingly for a lot of our fans here...Richard fecking Keyes and Andy Gray have both said it was never a red.
How can anyone justify grabbing a player around the neck? Why, answer that, what threat was Will Hughes posing? Never have I ever been in confrontation with someone and felt the need to put both hands around their neck. Knowing VAR exists and knowing how you cannot raise your hands towards a players head in football gives him no leg to stand on.
If this was Maguire doing it the defence or rather criticism from the comments would be a huge U-turn. It's because it's Casemiro and how important he's become that is emotionally forming opinion.
Problem is if the appeals panel hasn't access to that other angle,can't really see how they change initial decision.Never a red.
Well worth an appeal I'd say.
Yeah, should also have been a red.Unless you're Jordan Ayew and you do the same thing at literally the same time and it's being viewed by the same ref, that is...
Yeah it's worth an effort, I've seen a few comments online worrying about the potential increase to a 4 match ban because of it being deemed a frivolous appeal, but that's usually reserved for appeals where they've done it for delaying reasons, or real no hopers, I can't imagine it being the case here.Never a red.
Well worth an appeal I'd say.
Why wouldn't they have access to the other angle?Problem is if the appeals panel hasn't access to that other angle,can't really see how they change initial decision.
Reminds me of when Sol Campbell was sent off for elbow on Ole at Highbury in 2003,one angle looks like deliberate elbow but another shows him pushing him off.
Nobody is a cheerleader for the ref. We simply understand that he’s left the ref no choice with the red. If this has happened the other way you’d all be scrambling fir a sending off.The test is how the media are covering this. They are using words like 'grabbed his throat' etc, to try to paint a picture of excessive force or brutality. Neither of which are a true description. He held his collar to calm him down.
ETH correctly said that many players should have been dismissed if Casemiro was guilty. Total inconsistency and very dubious decision.
I wonder why so many comments on here support a poor ref.
I tend to agree with this. Frustrating to have Casemiro out but you risk a red card putting your hands above a players shoulders, even if you don’t do anything.How can anyone justify grabbing a player around the neck? Why, answer that, what threat was Will Hughes posing? Never have I ever been in confrontation with someone and felt the need to put both hands around their neck. Knowing VAR exists and knowing how you cannot raise your hands towards a players head in football gives him no leg to stand on.
If this was Maguire doing it the defence or rather criticism from the comments would be a huge U-turn. It's because it's Casemiro and how important he's become that is emotionally forming opinion.
If you’re going to address fellow fans as cnuts you can go back on hiatusI've had an eleven year hiatus from posting on this forum, I've never stopped reading but also never felt the urge to get back to posting, but near enough 40% of you cnuts have driven me to write this (and a few drinks).
You need to cop the feck on, some of the shit I've seen posted on here by supposed fans of this club is a fecking disgrace. After everything Casimero has done for this club since he's joined, transformed our midfield and showed nothing but 100% every time he has been on the pitch, to see how quick you all are to call him out on this stitch up of a VAR decision disgusts me. Do you not for one minute think he deserves our support? I could see in real time that he was doing nothing but try to diffuse this situation, even without the countless replays that have been shown since, and still with all the evidence shown some of you are still not backing down?
Unbelievably disappointing, and exactly the reason I stopped posting to begin with.
You all have no right to call yourselves United fans and deserve none of the success that ETH is going to bring this club.
Feck me and end of rant.
Not a 3 match banI knew it was going to be a red watching it live, it looked horrible in the clip the ref reviewed, however I was sure it looked a lot worse than it really is and I really don't think it deserves a 3 match ban.
That's what we are told for penalties and such reckless tackles like Fabinho and Andy Carroll last week.Possibly, but shouldn't VAR only intervene for a clear and obvious error. I don't think it was either. Happy that we've got a team that sticks up for each other.