Someone's slashed Huntley's throat!

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I think it's acceptable to have him spend the rest of his life confined in prison, which is what's actually likely to happen.

The case will never sit well, no, because like all murders, especially of children, it's a tragedy with no possible satisfying ending - to me at any rate... you would no doubt be satisfied with some sort of grisly mediaeval-style bloodletting.
No bloodletting but I would keep him in a 3ft x 3ft box with the bare minimum to keep him alive,certainly not the comfort afforded to him in your "acceptable" penal system.

I have no idea how anyone can be happy to see anyone such as Huntley serve their sentence how he does
 

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The only real downside is loss of freedom but that aside have I missed anything?
What do you want? Do you want them confined in a box for the rest of their lives, with a meal a day and nothing to stimulate their mind? That would drive any human insane and is torture. I think we may be against that in this country.

And do you think mental problems shouldn't be treated?
 

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The only real downside is loss of freedom but that aside have I missed anything?


I recall recently some review of prison v outside medical facilities and they found that in some facilities etc were better for the prisoners than the general population
 

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What do you want? Do you want them confined in a box for the rest of their lives, with a meal a day and nothing to stimulate their mind?
:lol: That appears to be the case, yes

No bloodletting but I would keep him in a 3ft x 3ft box with the bare minimum to keep him alive,certainly not the comfort afforded to him in your "acceptable" penal system.
 

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What do you want? Do you want them confined in a box for the rest of their lives, with a meal a day and nothing to stimulate their mind? That would drive any human insane and is torture. I think we may be against that in this country.

And do you think mental problems shouldn't be treated?
what would you want if he killed a member of your family?
 

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What do you want? Do you want them confined in a box for the rest of their lives, with a meal a day and nothing to stimulate their mind? That would drive any human insane and is torture. I think we may be against that in this country.

And do you think mental problems shouldn't be treated?
At least Huntley is alive which is more than can be said for the 2 children he murdered. I guess their parents would love to see their children be alive to avail themselves of the things this cnut has access to
 

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in the case of Huntley yes,I would lock the fecker in a cell and show him Bolton games on a continuous loop on a 50" plasma with his eyes pinned open
My question wasn't just about that cnut though, some estimates show that over 50% of the Prison population in this country suffer from a mental health disorder. What, apart from spite, can be achieved by not offering professional treatment?
 

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At least Huntley is alive which is more than can be said for the 2 children he murdered. I guess their parents would love to see their children be alive to avail themselves of the things this cnut has access to
Should we kill all murderers then? Or just child murderers?
 

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My question wasn't just about that cnut though, some estimates show that over 50% of the Prison population in this country suffer from a mental health disorder. What, apart from spite, can be achieved by not offering professional treatment?
I'm sorry I thought you were refering to him,of course help should be given to people with mental problems.Just not child killers.
 

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Ok then so lets assume you are impartial,do you think it is fair for a person such as Huntley to live in relative comfort while the families of his victims are in a living hell for the rest of their lives?
I think people convicted of murder should serve a life sentence and the ones who can't ever be released - such as Ian Huntley - should stay in prison for the rest of their lives. The conditions inside prison should be professional, legal and designed to make the prison system function without undue difficulties for the staff.
 

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If anyone is describing prison as "relative comfort" I can only assume they've never actually been inside one.

I've been inside a prison and it's pretty fecking grim, I can assure you. That's without being constantly the target of vcious assaults from all and sundry. Does anyone seriously think Huntley's current existence is one of "relative comfort"?
 

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Ok then so lets assume you are impartial,do you think it is fair for a person such as Huntley to live in relative comfort while the families of his victims are in a living hell for the rest of their lives?
They won't live in hell for the rest of their lives, though. Yes they will think about their children every day, but eventually they will learn to live with what has happened and start living their lives again. Obviously it will never be the same, but to say they will live in 'hell' for the rest of their days is nonsense.
 

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The only real downside is loss of freedom but that aside have I missed anything?
It's not hard to see why they're doing this though, the guy is suicidal. And he can't exactly find stimulation by mixing with the other prisoners.

'only real downside is loss of freedom'? Are you kidding? Freedom is up there with the worst things you could possible lose. I would trade everything on that list, plus a million times more, not to be locked away.
 

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They won't live in hell for the rest of their lives, though. Yes they will think about their children every day, but eventually they will learn to live with what has happened and start living their lives again. Obviously it will never be the same, but to say they will live in 'hell' for the rest of their days is nonsense.
you are barely away from being a kid yourself and I am not patronising you there but come back and say the same when you are a parent.
 

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If anyone is describing prison as "relative comfort" I can only assume they've never actually been inside one.

I've been inside a prison and it's pretty fecking grim, I can assure you. That's without being constantly the target of vcious assaults from all and sundry. Does anyone seriously think Huntley's current existence is one of "relative comfort"?
What jail did you go into Pogue?
 

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you are barely away from being a kid yourself and I am not patronising you there but come back and say the same when you are a parent.
My parent's lost their daughter 6 years ago. Whilst it may have been under different circumstances, the grief and pain, the blaming yourself, the emptiness inside was all there. It took a while but eventually they learnt to accept what had happened and moved on with their lives. Of course they still think about her everyday as do I. But they're not 'living in hell' as you suggested the parents of Wells and Chapman would be - they won't.
 

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It's not hard to see why they're doing this though, the guy is suicidal. And he can't exactly find stimulation by mixing with the other prisoners.

'only real downside is loss of freedom'? Are you kidding? Freedom is up there with the worst things you could possible lose. I would trade everything on that list, plus a million times more, not to be locked away.
It's not a case of trading the stuff on the list for freedom,everything else on the list is a plus and the loss of freedom is his only punishment.
 

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My parent's lost their daughter 6 years ago. Whilst it may have been under different circumstances, the grief and pain, the blaming yourself, the emptiness inside was all there. It took a while but eventually they learnt to accept what had happened and moved on with their lives. Of course they still think about her everyday as do I. But they're not 'living in hell' as you suggested the parents of Wells and Chapman would be - they won't.
I'm sorry for your loss but the circumstances would make things totally different,read their book and you may understand a bit better what life is like for them.
 

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If anyone is describing prison as "relative comfort" I can only assume they've never actually been inside one.

I've been inside a prison and it's pretty fecking grim, I can assure you. That's without being constantly the target of vcious assaults from all and sundry. Does anyone seriously think Huntley's current existence is one of "relative comfort"?
It's deeply depressing I couldn't wait to get out after about an hour. I remember talking to an old guy who worked in the laundry at Brixton, he wasn't very articulate but when I asked him about prison he said: 'It degrades the people they put in there and the people who work there'.
 

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What jail did you go into Pogue?
Mountjoy prison, in Dublin.

I've also been to Dundrum Central Mental Hospital (back when it used to be called "...for the Criminally Insane") and Broadmoor, neither of which are prisons but have the same claustrophobic vibe of dangerous men being kept in confinement against their will.

There's an atmosphere you get in places like that which really crushes the spirit. I couldn't imagine how grim it must be to spend months or years inside, no matter how warm your room or comfortable your bed.
 

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Mountjoy prison, in Dublin.

I've also been to Dundrum Central Mental Hospital (back when it used to be called "...for the Criminally Insane") and Broadmoor, neither of which are prisons but have the same claustrophobic vibe of dangerous men being kept in confinement against their will.

There's an atmosphere you get in places like that which really crushes the spirit. I couldn't imagine how grim it must be to spend months or years inside, no matter how warm your room or comfortable your bed.
I have served time in several jails,HMP Gloucester HMP Horfield in Bristol and HMP Erlestoke near Devizes and the latter being a fairly modern cat C/D semi open jail.Gloucester and Bristol were rat infested shitholes but Erlestoke was like a travelodge with sky tv and games consoles (if you behaved and were drug free)

Huntley is in a modern prison of this type with all available luxuries afforded to him and it is wrong in my opinion that a monster such as he should live like this.
 

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I have served time in several jails,HMP Gloucester HMP Horfield in Bristol and HMP Erlestoke near Devizes and the latter being a fairly modern cat C/D semi open jail.Gloucester and Bristol were rat infested shitholes but Erlestoke was like a travelodge with sky tv and games consoles (if you behaved and were drug free)

Huntley is in a modern prison of this type with all available luxuries afforded to him and it is wrong in my opinion that a monster such as he should live like this.
Live like what? In constant fear of his life? As a suicidal manic depressive with obvious mental issues, and no hope of ever tasting freedom again? You really think a playstation is really going to make any difference to someone such as Huntley? To an average prisoner, these things would be a luxury, but he's not your average prisoner, and you have no idea what sort of mental state he is in.