Southgate vs Solskjaer

Amadaeus said:
:lol: yes blame that on Pochettino who hasn't been in charge for over a year yet and didn't inherit a team that was top of the table. Two league trophies and cpl semi final is a fantastic accomplishment in the short time he is in charge
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He was only 2 points behind when he took charge of them right?
 
Anti-Ole crew trying to score points when England's losing a final is just what this night needed.

Go feck yourself.
 
Ole in the EL final left his best team on who were dominating as there was a huge drop in quality on the bench.

Southgate refused to change exhausted players who were being outplayed by a team with more energy, and played for pens against a 7ft keeper who never loses shootouts.
 
I'm not Ole's biggest fan but the guy is Sir Alex compared to Southgate. Let's be real here.
 
TheGame said:
If we are comparing both, let’s compare their league records. Southgate has an appalling record. There is no comparison. Solskjaer is much better but I’m not surprised the anti Ole crew have rocked up with this latest garbage.
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Ole's record with Cardiff is equally as shit as Southgate's with Middlesborough (Southgate might just edge it).
 
Southgate has world class players on his bench but refused to use them.

When Solskjaer is asked he admits that his bench don't have the players that can change the game for him even though we all disagree but Southgate has no excuse, he just refused to change the game.

If Sterling wasn't going to be penalty taker then he should have been subbed.

Italy has inferior players but Mancini didn't hesitate to make the changes which is the difference of a good manager and an average one.
 
Amadaeus said:
:lol: yes blame that on Pochettino who hasn't been in charge for over a year yet and didn't inherit a team that was top of the table. Two league trophies and cpl semi final is a fantastic accomplishment in the short time he is in charge
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:lol: He was 2 points behind when he took over and still couldn’t fecking win.
 
We'll see how Ole does this season

He's better, but I don't think the gap is that big
 
Southgate certainly plays the worse football on the eye, that I know for absolute certain. We also complain about Oles refusal to make subs but a lot of the time you ask those people to justify their arguments with what the manager is supposed to bring off the bench to change the game and there is silence. We had Sancho, Foden, Rashford and Grealish twiddling their thumbs most of the tournament. Apparently this is faith in the side selected, otherwise known as stubbornness and/or passiveness.

These rather obvious and general observations aside, club football and international football are completely different jobs.
 
Amadaeus said:
This has already been discussed in the other thread. Lille and Monaco barely dropped many points. Little psg could do when the gap was significant
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Little PSG could do when Lille dropped 7 points in the last 9 matches? Shit excuse after shit excuse.
 
PoTMS said:
Who is the better manager? Has anyone ever seen the two at the same time? They make the same fecking mistakes. What a great time to be a United and England supporter.
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You just couldn't wait, could you. Before the tears on Declan Rice's face dried, you just had to start using Southgate as another stick to beat OGS with, as if that made the remotest sense.

Of all fecking idiot shit-stirring threads, this takes the cake. Someone please close it. And ban the fecker who started it.
 
TheGame said:
I don’t think Ole leaves Sancho and Grealish on the bench for a start.
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Thats the difference between an offensive and defensive coach. Ole would have England playing to their strengths like he does with United. Southgate likes the pragmatic safe and cautious approach.
 
If you can't see the parallels between tonight and the UEL final (against worst opposition), you're deluded. Most of us on here are United and England fans. Why are some United fans so touchy over Ole? The man has just contrived to lose a final to Villafeckinreal. And now as an England fan, Southgate has bottled a 1-0 win against a Italy team that could be got at but instead sat back and let them dominate us.
 
Southgate is like the worst verison of Ole, and I don't think its even an exaggeration to say that. Italy's high pressure attacking style would have been perfect for Ole ball.
 
One of main reasons why Shaw helped Southgate's team immensely reach the final is Ole who built his confidence in the first place also to score a goal in the final.
 
TheGame said:
I don’t think Ole leaves Sancho and Grealish on the bench for a start.
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That's the difference for me. At least Ole plays his best players. Or players who are in better form. Southgate has his favourites and will only play others in extreme circumstances. Grealish and Sancho both had 1(!) start each this tournament for crying out loud.
 
Very weird thread. In absolutely no way was Solskjaer in my mind when England lost. You people need help.
 
Both really poor at in game management. Southgate was really poor from 30th minute onwards. Mancini showed who's managed the big clubs in football and totally changed the forward line and Italy completely dominated afterwards.

Sancho and Rashford should've come on way earlier to actually attempt to win the game.
 
Eternitiy said:
One in the same. This was a mirror image of our loss to Villarreal. At least Ole's penalty taker selection made more sense. Selecting Saka as your fifth taker is just obscene. Really not fair on the player.
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Agree. In both games the better coached team won. Look at the difference Mancini did to Italy between the first and second halves. He changed the system and Italy came out a different team in the second half.
 
Both are very one dimensional. Ole however does offer a very good counter attacking solution. With how high Italy's back line was I'm surprised Southgate never thought it an opportunity to get in behind.
 
PoTMS said:
Who is the better manager? Has anyone ever seen the two at the same time? They make the same fecking mistakes. What a great time to be a United and England supporter.
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:lol: Honestly. It’s infuriating. The same shit with another team over and over again.
 
passing-wind said:
Both are very one dimensional. Ole however does offer a very good counter attacking solution. With how high Italy's back line was I'm surprised Southgate never thought it an opportunity to get in behind.
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This is not true, Italy's backline started really deep.

As the match progressed and it was clear England was a turtle, they started playing progressively higher.

And England didn't evolve to meet that change, because of conservative tactics.
 
Dumb and dumber. Question is not " Who is the better manager?"

It should be "who is less shit?"

Both are painfully out of their depths and shouldn't be anywhere near their jobs. Both United & England love to constrain themselves.
 
This thread is simply bollocks. Another pathetic try to dig at Ole at best.

Strelok said:
Bang on.

Actually they're very different. Ole always prefer attacking however sometime his available options did not allow him to. We can clearly see that with his ealier period where we sit back and counter in most big games. Compare to the more recent time where we always try to go toe to toe with whoever we're up against. We never stop attacking and shit ourself at the back whatever the lead.

Ole surely did make a mistake here and there. But he's definitely no coward.

Southgate, just look at his bench and his selection.
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Impossible to say who is the best manager. They have a lot in common.

1. Seems like they have the same philosophy. England’s style of play reminds me a lot of United.

2. Both are calm, reasonable and responsible

3. Teambuilding: harmony/atmosphere

4. Good relationship with players
 
I can understand this thread being made.

There are some similarities between Ole and Southgate ( mainly the use of subs or lack of ) but there is very little chance Ole would have underplayed the likes of Sancho, Grealish, Rashford and Foden as much as Southgate did in this tournament.

England have a very very good bunch of players with a lot of potential but the one single thing holding England back more than anything is the manager.
 
Polar said:
Impossible to say who is the best manager. They have a lot in common.

1. Seems like they have the same philosophy. England’s style of play reminds me a lot of United.

2. Both are calm, reasonable and responsible

3. Teambuilding: harmony/atmosphere

4. Good relationship with players
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Not sure that will be true for Southgate, now. Grealish, Kane, Rashford, and Sancho looked fed up with him when he came over.
 
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