Not good for Liverpool then as this is their next game.
Spurs 2018/19
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I'm saying bottled is overused on here.
But there's no other word to describe what Spurs have done in the last month. They have bottled it
Who would you rather root for when Everton and Man Utd are going tow to toe for the title? Its easy to sit back and make comments like these when you are in the driving seat.
I'd never consider rooting for us to lose so Everton could win the title.
And I think most non RAWK minded Liverpool fans would be of the same opinion.
But whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Everton loss every time.
Yeah right. I believe you.
Rightly so.
Everton are and always have been our fiercest rivals.
No one has ever said that the squad can't be improved with new signings. And as you already know, the club did pursue 1 or 2 new players last summer, but didn't get them for essentially two reasons. Either the clubs concerned wanted more money than we were willing to pay, or wouldn't sell at all. That's sometimes in the nature of football transfers.
In the meantime, we're still in 3rd place in the league and awaiting the draw for the CL QFs … so hardly a disaster.
Well that’s not true. It’s known as the Friendly Derby for a reason.
The Liverpool-Everton animosity is a very new thing.
Also awaiting your best CB's departure along with Eriksen for decidedly less than you would like. Tis the season everyone has been predicting for Spurs, when your wage structure finally catches up with you.
We are the only club in Premier League history to not have signed a single player in the transfer window. This is not how the window goes for other clubs, we are clearly unique in our level of incompetence in the transfer market. Dembele sold with nobody brought in, despite the club clearly knowing his departure was probably imminent during the summer. Our midfield situation is an utter disgrace, has been all season and will continue to be until genuine investment is put in by the board. We had an entire window to identify and sign targets, if the players we wanted were never going to join then you move on and find others. Everybody else manages to do this, we had clear weaknesses which have cost us all season over and over again, but we failed to do anything about it.
Yes, on the face of it we're doing well, but you're not telling me that you look at our current performances and are confident of staying third? We look tired, out of ideas and to me it's looking pretty clear that the squad situation has gone stale. We've been playing Eriksen for weeks now despite him being totally anonymous, and why? Zero cover, zero depth. Sissoko has carried our midfield on his shoulders all season and Winks has been forced to become a pivotal member of the team. We have Liverpool away next and after that game could find ourselves not even in the top four. Players look complacent in the league and why wouldn't they? Nobody is challenging for their place, and once again we're only fighting for top four. We'll get some effort and desire in the CL, but we need players who can push our starters in the league.
Regardless of if we get top four, this season was another massive missed opportunity. Looks almost certain we'll lose Eriksen/Toby and we've basically wasted our best team in years and have nothing to show for it because the board haven't pushed for anything more than top four. That was made so clear in the summer/january where even with an injury crisis and Dembele gone, we still made no moves for a player. I don't get how any fan is happy with how we've handled the squad recently, regardless of what levy/the board have done for the club off the pitch, it's no excuse to allow the team to go stale.
Now you may well say it's just poor form, but if we're being honest we haven't looked right for months, we did well to drag ourselves through an injury crisis so poor performances were expected, but even since then the team hasn't put in a genuinely good performance over 90 minutes in the league in a very long time, perhaps since Bournemouth at home. It's been too long a period now to just call it form, and far too many points dropped to simply wave it away, we're genuinely in a very difficult spot now.
It's been "the season" when this was supposed to happen every year for the last 4.
Judging by your manager's demeanor of late, it is finally indeed here.
Did you expect a title challenge? It's not realistic - not we've had to divert vast sums to construction projects and when other clubs are (a) not doing this; and (b) when two of those clubs, including the likely title winners, are funded by sugar-daddies.
You see the season as "missed opportunity". I see it as season when we'll finally be moving into our fantastic new stadium and might well, with a reasonable draw, make it through to the CL semi-finals.
Moreover, your endless complaint (about the club not being willing to bid more money on players than we did) had only one solution: borrow yet more money. That's a mug's game.
Our stadium has nothing to do with what we're doing on the pitch. Let's not talk about the semi finals when we haven't even seen who we've drawn.
Endless complaint? The feck do you expect? Players are leaving and not even being replaced, in what universe is that remotely acceptable for a top 4 club? We lost our best central midfielder in January and just decided to do nothing, it's fecking outrageous, it's not about spending so much we have to borrow loads, it's about maintaining the squad. The board have totally failed to do this and Pochettino is getting visibly more agitated with the situation the club is in and he's now sniping in the press, just like in the summer where he made it clear we needed to spend and was ignored.
I'm genuinely baffled how any fan of a team could call it a 'mug's game' for a club of our size to make 1-2 signings to replace outgoing players/injuries (wanyama is broken). If we're completely incapable of even replacing players leaving the club, I'd rather they didn't bother with the stadium because it was clearly such a monumental financial risk if even despite consistent CL football we're unable to actually replace players who leave the club. What kind of joke of a situation is that?
Weren't you banging on about how we'd loosen the purse strings and the new stadium wasn't going to be a huge financial burden? Now it's flipped and even to replace players who leave the club we'd need to take out loans? Which is it, are we in a terribly unstable financial situation (in which case by the way, ignoring vital needs in the squad could lead to us missing out on cl money) or are we actually pretty decent and perfectly capable of signing a couple of players to cover injuries and outgoings?
It makes zero sense, Glaston. It's just constant excuses and shifting the goalposts. The bottom line is that the board are taking a calculated risk that even without investment this team can manage top 4 this season, which they're content with, they will push for no more. They're forcing our manager to work with the bare minimum and to turn to untested youth (KWP, Skipp, Foyth, over-reliance on Winks) and experiment with new formations etc as a result of our lack of any genuine midfield quality. That risk may well pay off, but we're almost certainly losing Toby and Eriksen this summer and shit, if we also don't qualify for the CL (which right now, who would guarantee we would?) then that's a far bigger financial hit than replacing a couple of players.
The last couple of months we've seen the consequences of consistent under investment by a board, on a level no top premier league side has ever seen before. Players looked fatigued due to being overplayed, out of form players staying in the team due to lack of options and whilst these players at out of form, nobody to step up in their absence. With Eriksen going through the motions recently we have nobody in midfield who can step up and play a proper pass, especially with Alli having been injured, a player we have no backup for. And lastly we have players who quite frankly look quite complacent, and is it any wonder? There's no threat to our star players, they will always start because heck, they know for sure that Lamela, Llorente, Lucas, Skipp etc aren't taking their place.
The board cocked up the transfer window monumentally, just admit it. That's fine as long as there is at least some pressure for the situation to be rectified this summer so we don't end up with the same shitty situation all over again. We're also going to require something of a shift around because Eriksen will be a huge loss (and my fecking god, we better invest serious money for a replacement) and Toby too will be very hard to replace. We're already going to have to replace two key players before we even think about adding others to the areas which already need work!
I thought spending on players wouldnt be impacted by the development of the new stadium? That Spurs had learned from Arsenal's mistake, and the situation for Spurs was totally different?
Yes you may well move into your new stadium and out of the top four, well done.
I never had Spurs down for title contenders but the net spend of the club does not match the ambition for top four. It is that simple, since 2014 clubs like Stoke, West Ham and West Brom have more net spend. If that is the sum of the Spurs hierarchy's ambition than so be it, but dont expect players at the level of Eriksen, Kane, Alli, Son, Alderweireld to stick around.
You tried to get Grealish in, a tidy player, but hardly at the level required. He is pretty much Winks mkII, one for the future who may grow into a good/great player. It's like Spurs are living in 2010, we will throw 30mil on a player, that is a lot of money and should get us some world class talent. It reminds me of that 1 million dollars Austin Powers scene, just replace Dr. Evil with Daniel Levy.
Yes, but although perceived as friendly, the rivalry in the 70's and 80's was based on football bragging rights.
Unless I'm mistaken they had the 2nd highest league titles until the 90's.
It has been a bit more nasty since then.
As strange as it may seem to some, Everton are the 4th most successful club in league history.
They were right in the mix with the big players from pre premier league days.
No offence, and no shade intended to anyone, just a stat, but the two merseyside teams, despite neither having won the premier league, still have more championships between them than the two Manchester clubs do, despite the latter dominating the Premier league.
Another little known fact.
Accrington Stanley have won the same amount of European cups as Man City, Spurs, and Arsenal combined.
That’s stood them well over the years, helped set the foundation for the footballing powerhouse they are now.
Another little known fact.
Accrington Stanley have won the same amount of European cups as Man City, Spurs, and Arsenal combined.
You haven't answered my question. You said earlier: "... once again we're only fighting for top four." So, given our diversion of funds to the new stadium and in the face of City's vast, sugar-daddy spending, did you expect a title challenge?
If you didn't expect a title challenge, then what else in the league is there except fighting for top 4? And if you did expect a title challenge, then my answer, given the circumstances I've mentioned, is that such expectation was not realistic.
You say: "We lost our best central midfielder in January and just decided to do nothing". But in truth it's rare that any club manages to make significant signings in the January window, for the simple reason that few clubs are willing to sell a key player mid-season unless said player will be out of contract in the summer.
You say: "Players are leaving and not even being replaced". But they are being replaced, for the time being at least, by promotions from our youth ranks. Now you clearly think that this isn't good enough, but that's a matter of opinion, and it's also a continuation of a youth-promotion policy that has not served us to badly in recent seasons.
My reference to loosening the purse strings is a post-new-stadium prediction, because clearly we first need to start taking in the increased income that will accrue from the new stadium before we can spend any of it without further borrowing. There is no "shifting the goalposts" on my part.
I'd be interested to hear from you what players we could have signed in the summer - and at what price - because so far you are long on complaint and short on what the realistic proposed solution could have been. For example, would you have pushed for the club to shell out £50m for Grealish? If not, then who else and at what price?
You are also long on doom-laden predictions - Toby will leave, Eriksen will leave etc. But the former will turn 31 next season, so we've likely seen the best of him. And the latter event has not yet happened and may not happen - there have been plenty of similar predictions on here concerning various Spurs players and most have fallen by the wayside.
These clubs have not built a world-class new training centre and world-class new stadium complex involving a total cost approaching £1 billion, so I couldn't give a feck about what their net spend has been. Spurs are building for the long-term, not playing in the Championship like two of those clubs and not stuck in a dog's breakfast of a stadium like West Ham.
No, but I expect the club to back the manager, which it has not. It has not provided him with what he needs. We're challenging for the top four because Pochettino was managing to squeeze everything out of a thin squad, and now we're seeing the punishment of that as the players look tired and out of ideas. Also, there's a difference between finishing top four comfortably (as we did last season) and being right in the battle for top four, we're slowly degrading every season (gone from 2nd, to comfortably 3rd, to now struggling for top four at all). What is next? We will keep declining without investment.
We KNEW Dembele was injury stricken and was likely going to leave soon, his replacement should have been sorted in the summer. Also, the likes of Van Djik have been signed in January, it is possible to bring players in if a club needs to, which we did. We have no central midfield. Sissoko, a broken Wanyama, Skipp, Winks and Dier is not a good collection of midfielders for a top 8 side, let alone one sitting in third. You can't just continue to escape having no quality in midfield and avoid the problem. We sold our most dominant midfielder and did nothing about it.
Oh dear. Seriously? We're replacing established key players with youth products now, and you think that's going to keep us in the top four going forward? Alright Glaston, however you feel. We've done well by promoting youth when they're ready, not because we've forced them in to a lineup due to a lack of options. Foyth has potential but has already cost us on numerous occasions, KWP is clearly not ready to play regularly and as much as I think Skipp may be good enough one day, he offers very little at PL level.
I don't know why people are so stuck on Grealish. There are so many central midfielders out there we could have targeted. Brozovic, Kondogbia, Demirbay, SOMEONE. I'm not a scout and not being paid by the club to identify targets, but if we genuinely couldn't find a single central midfielder to bring to a CL club that could improve on our current options, then sack the fecking scouts. And stop going on about 'the price', every club has to pay decent money in modern football, we will not continue to qualify for the CL if we show zero ambition, and financially we will rot away as a result.
Toby is gone. 100%, we're not paying what he wants, it's not a doom laden prediction. And come on, why do you think Eriksen has failed to sign a contract and barely looks arsed any longer? He's gone, glaston, unless we offer him a stupid contract which we will never do. Toby might be 31 but he's still one of the best central defenders in the league and will be very hard to replace. There are loads of stupid calls about Spurs players like Kane leaving, but Eriksen/Toby are clearly on the way out.
Look, if you can't see what is right in front of you, that's fine .. but it's pretty clear to me that our horrific form for a long while is the blatant result of a squad that is suffering from under investment. We've got serious quality in the side but that quality hasn't been added to for a good while now and is becoming complacent, and in certain areas we're barely top 6 standard, over-reliant on some of our world class forward players. The rot and decline will continue to happen and we will slip down the table more and more if we allow the board to ignore what Pochettino badly needs and has asked for, money to spend on players. We need a serious replacement for those leaving, and some serious money to patch up areas already struggling.
I think some of the academy promotions for Spurs will come good. But there is a difference between having them being relied upon, and integrating them slowly into the team. This is exactly how Kane came into the team. Spurs had established strikers in Soldado and Adebayor and Kane had played on and off in the first team under varying managers, and been on numerous loans to gain experience. He seemed a class above opposition in the cups and Europa league and demanded a first team selection based on form over Adebayor and Soldado. He wasnt relied upon as part of the first team until his form demanded selection, it wasnt a case of Spurs need a striker because they have 1 striker who is injured so bring in the academy player. Which is how it seems it went with Winks/Skip, Dembele a crock, Dier coming back from injury, Wanyama a sick note, throw in the academy players because Spurs have no one else.
Is KWP, Winks, Skip, Foyth ready to be relied upon as integral parts of the team? Id say they definitely are exciting prospects, even Sanchez is very young for a CB, 22 years of age, he has done well. I guess this also is a bit of a double edged sword as part of the draw for top youth players is they know they will get game time at Spurs. It is the reason Eriksen chose Spurs over Man C, walk straight into the Spurs first team at Spurs or sit on the bench behind David Silva.
Is KWP, Winks, Skip, Foyth ready to be relied upon as integral parts of the team? Id say they definitely are exciting prospects, even Sanchez is very young for a CB, 22 years of age, he has done well. I guess this also is a bit of a double edged sword as part of the draw for top youth players is they know they will get game time at Spurs. It is the reason Eriksen chose Spurs over Man C, walk straight into the Spurs first team at Spurs or sit on the bench behind David Silva.
Forgive me, but I've heard all the panicky, doom-laden predictions many times before over the last 4 seasons or so, sometimes from Spurs fans, sometimes not. And mostly they've all proven to be wrong.
Right now, we're in 3rd place, have a place booked in the CL QFs, have a world-class training centre, are on the verge of moving into one of the very best stadiums in Europe and we have seen Pochettino, Kane and Allli all sign new, long terms contracts. I don't see all this as a bad place to be.
Yes, the squad needs more investment - and the significant extra income from our new stadium will help provide for this without having to borrow more money or engage in panic-stricken bids of the kind that you seem to have wanted last summer.
Next season, in construction terms, we push on with the next phase: the hotel and two apartment blocks next to the stadium - ground works for these have already progressed. These too will eventually bring financial benefits to the club.
Next season, in footballing terms - who knows. I'm content to see what the rest of the season brings and the summer transfer window that follows.
My view is that Spurs are putting the long-term building blocks in place - far more than any other club in the Prem in fact.
Im almost scared to ask, why are Tottenham investing in a hotel and two apartment blocks next to the stadium rather than their football team? Tottenham Hotspur becoming a development consortium?
Didn't Spurs fans (or 1 fan) argued that stadium cost will have no impact on what they can spend on transfers? Now the argument is changed to "we should have borrowed more money to sign players"
Yeah, we can see world domination by Spurs in coming years.
Spurs are not doing anything that other clubs didn't. They are building stadium as WHL was small. ManUtd have the biggest stadium, Liverpool have added more seats to one of their stand, West Ham got new stadium for 100 years, Arsenal built new stadium.
Spurs are just too late to join the party.
As if out of the world training facilities weren't enough they're now building 2 apartment blocks too. 
Yes, but if you drop out of top 4, you won’t be able to adequately re-invest and face losing your best players.
So true. Glaston acting like they’re doing something revolutionairy but the truth is they are the last of the big clubs to do this
Dont you ever get fed up spouting the same old recycled propaganda shit?
The hotel and the two apartment blocks next to the stadium I didn't know about.
Wow! What a game changer!
I can't see how Spurs can be stopped from now on.
Wow! What a game changer!
I can't see how Spurs can be stopped from now on.
Apparently they're building a chapel too, lots of opportunity for wedding tourism and can be a place where they can pray for a title.
Because it will generate additional income for the club that can then be invested in the team.
Why is it propaganda to mention the hotel and apartment blocks as the next phase of the planned construction around the stadium complex? These are not invented things, but ongoing projects that some people might like to know about.
Don't you ever get tired of scratching around to try and dig up shit angles from which to try and attack almost everything?
So true. Glaston acting like they’re doing something revolutionairy but the truth is they are the last of the big clubs to do this
Not true. How many other Prem clubs have stadiums that can be used for other purposes (e.g. rock concerts) in addition to football? How many will be hosting NFL games?
P.S West Ham's stadium is a dog's breakfast not fit for purpose and Liverpool are not building a new stadium.
You think no other stadiums hosted concerts or other sports?
Just for a start
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...e-world-cup-2021-venues-old-trafford-emirates
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...er-united-fans-confused-white-lines-on-pitch/
Yeah, your new stadium will sort out all your problems... just like Schalke became a dominant force in german football...
Spurs are really depended on the footballing side. They have a good coach and some good players, so now would be the time to attract even better players who buy in to their project. Not being able to now could be a huge problem for your development for the coming years.
Once your coach left you and your star players leave for some club who actually shows ambition to win some trophies, you will be back in mid table where you came from.
Spurs are really depended on the footballing side. They have a good coach and some good players, so now would be the time to attract even better players who buy in to their project. Not being able to now could be a huge problem for your development for the coming years.
Once your coach left you and your star players leave for some club who actually shows ambition to win some trophies, you will be back in mid table where you came from.
The first link refers to just two events at Old Trafford, and one event at the Emirates, all to be held in two years from now.
The 2nd link refers to one event at Old Trafford.
Both of these are a world away from being able host multiple types of events (aside from football) in a single week - or even an NFL game and a football match on the same day - thanks to the retractable football playing surface.
So yes, contrary to your earlier claim, Spurs will be doing things with their new stadium and its design that other Prem clubs haven't and can't.