The “Ole In” Brigade

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He is a substantially better manager than Solskjaer.

I agree though, that there isn't a manager out there who, by themselves, sorts this need out. But Poch is the right manager that we need to make the necessary changes under. Putting it differently, I don't think Ole, even under the right ownership, is good enough. Whereas Poch, under the right owners, would be sensational for us.
I agree he's a substantially better manager. But results wise I don't think Ole has done any worse than expected given players at his disposal. We're "fighting" for 4th, with this group and with Pogba being out the entire season. I really can't expect anything more from this group, and I don't think anyone can. Not until there are some reinforcements.
Saying that, I don't think we'd be markedly different with reinforcements under Ole (better ultimately, but probably not even on par with Leicester this year), whereas with reinforcements with Pochettino we'd be a lot better.
 
Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.

21 points behind Juventus.

In comes Conte and his biggest signings is apparently one useless forward according to the caf.

This season they were 1st couple of weeks ago and are only 4 points off Juve as things stand today.

But yeah if Inter appointed Solskjaer it would have been the same right?

Obviously he will sell their current top scorer.
 
Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.

21 points behind Juventus.

In comes Conte and his biggest signings is apparently one useless forward according to the caf.

This season they were 1st couple of weeks ago and are only 4 points off Juve as things stand today.

But yeah if Inter appointed Solskjaer it would have been the same right?
When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.
 
You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.

On the injuries, all those teams are below us so I'm not sure what your point is there. They have obviously been hampered by it.

That side Ole took over was the 2nd best team in the PL the previous season. He then culled the same squad without getting much needed replacements. He spent 80 million on a CB when we needed players in midfield. He could have got two good midfield players or even three for the amount he spent on Maguire.
He could have coached these players better. They are not that bad players individually. You replace Periera with a good midfield player and replace Matic with another and if coached and set up properly we at least would have been in 4th or even 3rd place.
He cannot even get us to defend a set piece. Scholes said today it is because United now is not practicing set pieces. The man is a clown now. He needs to be sacked now.
 
That makes no sense unless you think management and coaching is just like 1% of everything.
I think management and coaching can only do so much when you're squad is so thin.
An attack of Rashford, Martial, James, Greenwood, Lingard, Mata. A midfield of McTominay, Fred, Matic, Pereira and Garner. The defensive choices and goalkeepers are fine with depth, maybe not top quality but it's fine. That midfield and attack is horrendous though. Pogba out for the entire season and obviously leaving in the summer too. Do you see that as a squad that is more than 4th-6th? Not a chance. Pochettino would do a whole lot more with us with the proper reinforcements of course than Ole would, but with this current group, I don't think he'd do much more. Players like Andreas Pereira just aren't capable of it. Players like Mata and Matic aren't up to it anymore. Our only good players need to play every game because there is no depth, leading to injuries.

We probably wouldn't quite have the same squad situation with Pochettino (debatable though, given it's Woodward and the Glazers calling the shots), but with what we have, I'd bet there wouldn't be much of a difference in the league table/points totals. Performances might show more promise on the rare occasion we can put out a decent starting 11 and everyone is fit though.
 
I agree he's a substantially better manager. But results wise I don't think Ole has done any worse than expected given players at his disposal. We're "fighting" for 4th, with this group and with Pogba being out the entire season. I really can't expect anything more from this group, and I don't think anyone can. Not until there are some reinforcements.
Saying that, I don't think we'd be markedly different with reinforcements under Ole (better ultimately, but probably not even on par with Leicester this year), whereas with reinforcements with Pochettino we'd be a lot better.

You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?

Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
 
You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.

On the injuries, all those teams are below us so I'm not sure what your point is there. They have obviously been hampered by it.
Pretty average to win the title? Of course. Is it worse than Chelsea, Leicester and the likes that are above us? No, the difference is the manager. Put Ole in charge for Leicester and he will drive them midtable just like Puel.

Look at Chelsea:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/ausfallzeiten/verein/631

Their best defender has missed almost the entire season so far and is coming after a lengthy period when he was sidelined.
Kante - their best midfielder has missed 8 games.
CHO - missed the start of the season.
Loftus Cheek is out for the season.
Pulisic the last month and he's out for at least another.
Barkley - missed 2 months.
Christensen also has been sidelined for couple of games.
Marcos Alonso is underperforming massively and played in handful of games.

Isn't their team pretty average using your same yard stick?
 
We are finally starting to see the long term fruits from his management that everyone talked about.
Just like with Moyes it is getting worse and worse. Although relativly speaking even worse now.
 
When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.
The assumption was that we would replace him in the squad adequately. People were (rightly IMO) happy that we were giving Martial and Rashford bigger roles. Rashford had been brilliant this season, but no depth led him to getting injured. Martial was also having a good season, and forming an encouraging partnership with Rashford. But now with Rashford out, and again, no depth to speak of, it's hard to see him doing much on his own.
People were happy Greenwood was going to get the chances. Rightly, again. But also people expected we would have adequate depth that it wouldn't all lie on his shoulders. Yet here we are.

Can say the same about Herrera. Would've been nice to keep him, but not the end of the world him leaving. Him leaving and us not replacing him with literally anybody equals a really shit situation.
 
That side Ole took over was the 2nd best team in the PL the previous season. He then culled the same squad without getting much needed replacements. He spent 80 million on a CB when we needed players in midfield. He could have got two good midfield players or even three for the amount he spent on Maguire.
He could have coached these players better. They are not that bad players individually. You replace Periera with a good midfield player and replace Matic with another and if coached and set up properly we at least would have been in 4th or even 3rd place.
He cannot even get us to defend a set piece. Scholes said today it is because United now is not practicing set pieces. The man is a clown now. He needs to be sacked now.
This 2nd best team nonsense again. Just like Leicester were the 'best team' in 2016 so presumably should still be there with your logic.

If Woodward backed Mourinho, comfortably the best manager we've had in the last 6 years maybe we wouldn't be in such as mess.
 
I think management and coaching can only do so much when you're squad is so thin.
An attack of Rashford, Martial, James, Greenwood, Lingard, Mata. A midfield of McTominay, Fred, Matic, Pereira and Garner. The defensive choices and goalkeepers are fine with depth, maybe not top quality but it's fine. That midfield and attack is horrendous though. Pogba out for the entire season and obviously leaving in the summer too. Do you see that as a squad that is more than 4th-6th? Not a chance. Pochettino would do a whole lot more with us with the proper reinforcements of course than Ole would, but with this current group, I don't think he'd do much more. Players like Andreas Pereira just aren't capable of it. Players like Mata and Matic aren't up to it anymore. Our only good players need to play every game because there is no depth, leading to injuries.

We probably wouldn't quite have the same squad situation with Pochettino (debatable though, given it's Woodward and the Glazers calling the shots), but with what we have, I'd bet there wouldn't be much of a difference in the league table/points totals. Performances might show more promise on the rare occasion we can put out a decent starting 11 and everyone is fit though.

Why can't you accept that the squad is so thin and poor because Ole culled the squad and did not bring in any players? If our players are so pathetic why doesn't he get some from anywhere? Surely they should be better than Lingard and Pereira? And they would not cost an arm and a leg. For 80 million we could have got two class midfield players from abroad. Yet he arsed about Longstaff. If the Board is not getting him any players then he should come out and say openly he is not getting any new players.
If he has any love for United or self respect he should not be cheating the fans about players. He should come out and say openly that he has to live with the squad he has. If he does that the no one is going to blame him for these disasters.
 
No-one, absolutely no-one does that so do be quiet.
Absolutely no-one? The vast majority of our fanbase will lap up whatever Woodward has to say to the media. When season tickets need selling in the summer you can bet our fanbase will get excited over Woodward's false promises whether it's appointing a director of football or a £300 million rebuild. We're getting conned year after year ffs.

Thanks for your quick and personal response but unfortunately for you I won't be quiet. Sorry!
 
Obviously he will sell their current top scorer.

And implement the pashun, "Inter way" structure of being again midtable, but with a plan!

When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.

Well you are defending the guy who condoned this and didn't bring in a replacement but thought about spending most of the budget on a CB, having 7 in his ranks and sending out one of them on loan to Roma.

Not that we didn't need another CB, but it was waaaay down in the list of priorities after CF and CM.
 
You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?

Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
I'm not surprised at all by this result. Look at the fecking team he had to pick from. We don't have players. No, I don't expect a 2-0 loss, but what I'm expecting every game from now until the end of the season if we don't sign anyone and Pogba/McTominay/Rashford are out the whole time is every game is going to be a slog, grind fest, basically flip of the coin to determine the result. It's a mid table squad that is left. No better. A mid table squad that will have mid table results.

Last season was a unique thing season in that we suffered both extremes after he became manager. I'm only looking at this season. I'm not saying he's even very good. I'm saying I don't see a big difference this season, with this squad, regardless of who the manager is. Plenty of them have individually done pretty well. Plenty of them have gone through good periods and progressed as players. But when you're in a situation where your best players need to play every week and then get injured, and you have no depth, then I don't think there's much anyone can do. On top of that the whole Pogba being absent the entire season situation. It's basically as if we sold him and didn't replace him in the summer. Would you be expecting top 4 if last summer we sold Pogba and didn't sign anyone but we replaced Ole with Pochettino? I sure as feck wouldn't.

My whole point is that Ole being manager or not doesn't fecking matter at this point. No matter the manager, it isn't changing until the management change their attitude.
 
You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?

Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
Spot on. Some of the comments on here are embarrassing. Folk are seriously suggesting a better manager couldnt have got better results than Ole. Really?
 
Did Ole bid 80 million for Maguire?

Or did Woody fail miserably to negotiate a deal with Leicester?
 
Ok I am not Ole in, but I struggle to see anyone with any dignity left take over this mess. Not defending Ole at all but this clear out was needed and fans had been waiting for it for a long time.
But according to you I am hopeless so why would I give a toss.

Honestly though - forget all our injuries. The squad we had out tonight should have been easily able to control a game at home against Burnley. There is a susceptibility amongst fans which managers, owners and PR mouthpiece guys like Stone exploit in that if they say something enough, people start to believe it. Mou did this constantly and now Ole is doing it with this incessant positivity and talk of a journey/getting there, I genuinely cannot believe there are people on this sub who watch football regularly and genuinely, forgetting Ole's history, think he's doing a good job or that any kind of rebuild is happening.

We have spent a shit load of money but it's not like we've been spinning a roulette wheel and have just had some bad luck with signings - we've bought players who were excellent at other clubs and then turned them to dross because we setup in a manner which is tactically extremely simple and reliant on individual brilliance rather than a collective effort. This is 100% down to the coaching team who have almost zero relevant experience, that's the flabbergasting thing, McKenna and Carrick have only ever worked as first team coaches at United, Ole has never managed in a top league bar the disastrous Cardiff stint and then we have Phelan who had semi retired in Australia but is the only one who is 'qualified' for his job.

Think what you want of Woodward and the Glazers, they deserve to be held accountable, but the pendulum has swung so far now that we're giving an unqualified manager a free pass because of poor ownership. It's crazy when you think how much scorn fans would have if we put Bruce, McLaren or any other former player turned mediocre manager etc into the seat (and rightly so) but then Ole is someone who deserves time? It's nonsensical. If we want to persist with this style of football, we might as well just sign a manager who is has built a pressing team like Sampaoli, Poch or even Hasenhuttl because, regardless of it's the right choice tactically or not, you know they can implement it.
 
Why can't you accept that the squad is so thin and poor because Ole culled the squad and did not bring in any players? If our players are so pathetic why doesn't he get some from anywhere? Surely they should be better than Lingard and Pereira? And they would not cost an arm and a leg. For 80 million we could have got two class midfield players from abroad. Yet he arsed about Longstaff. If the Board is not getting him any players then he should come out and say openly he is not getting any new players.
If he has any love for United or self respect he should not be cheating the fans about players. He should come out and say openly that he has to live with the squad he has. If he does that the no one is going to blame him for these disasters.
Like Mourinho did, and then got sacked? Ole's in his dream job despite being under qualified. I would love it if he did. But he won't. Just look at him when any reporter asks him about transfers. He side steps the question every time. It's clear we're stuck in the situation, we might end up signing Bruno Fernandes if Sporting changes their stance, but on the whole, it's still nowhere near enough and way too late.

How many times has Ole already made comments alluding to signings needing to be made to reinforce the squad, and then change his tune come the actual transfer window? It's happened before both windows now. It's just our reality.
 
My whole point is that Ole being manager or not doesn't fecking matter at this point. No matter the manager, it isn't changing until the management change their attitude.

This is literally what nobody else in the world thinks, bar some United fans.
 
What long term plan? Ole is tactically inept. He is unproven, inexperienced, as is 90% of his coaching team. Ship without a rudder.

There needs to be a theme running through the club and the manager needs to be hired or fired on the basis that he understands what the club is about, and that he can get a tune out of the players we have and play with. Otherwise you end up with the clusterf*ck we’ve had for the last 6 years where the “next guy” comes in, spaffs a load of cash and we start the rebuild again with a new ethos.

Ole will instil that plan and provide a base for the next manager to work from. He has the vision, but lacks the steel, knowledge and ability to implement it himself. Let him put the groundwork in, take the flak, assemble the squad. Then “next guy” can come in and make some minor tweaks and take it from there.
 
Honestly though - forget all our injuries. The squad we had out tonight should have been easily able to control a game at home against Burnley. There is a susceptibility amongst fans which managers, owners and PR mouthpiece guys like Stone exploit in that if they say something enough, people start to believe it. Mou did this constantly and now Ole is doing it with this incessant positivity and talk of a journey/getting there, I genuinely cannot believe there are people on this sub who watch football regularly and genuinely, forgetting Ole's history, think he's doing a good job or that any kind of rebuild is happening.

We have spent a shit load of money but it's not like we've been spinning a roulette wheel and have just had some bad luck with signings - we've bought players who were excellent at other clubs and then turned them to dross because we setup in a manner which is tactically extremely simple and reliant on individual brilliance rather than a collective effort. This is 100% down to the coaching team who have almost zero relevant experience, that's the flabbergasting thing, McKenna and Carrick have only ever worked as first team coaches at United, Ole has never managed in a top league bar the disastrous Cardiff stint and then we have Phelan who had semi retired in Australia but is the only one who is 'qualified' for his job.

Think what you want of Woodward and the Glazers, they deserve to be held accountable, but the pendulum has swung so far now that we're giving an unqualified manager a free pass because of poor ownership. It's crazy when you think how much scorn fans would have if we put Bruce, McLaren or any other former player turned mediocre manager etc into the seat (and rightly so) but then Ole is someone who deserves time? It's nonsensical. If we want to persist with this style of football, we might as well just sign a manager who is has built a pressing team like Sampaoli, Poch or even Hasenhuttl because, regardless of it's the right choice tactically or not, you know they can implement it.
Agree, fully. Ole has had a year now to work on how to break a low block with no improvements what so ever. He is absolutely not good enough but I fail to see why we should think others would do any better. But I think there is no going back Ole needs to go.
 
What can the guy do when our forwards are missing sitters and our 80 million pound defender is dropping howlers?
 
This is literally what nobody else in the world thinks, bar some United fans.
Ok so you think Pochettino will come in and get this squad into title challengers? Clearly top 4? Listen, I'm not saying Ole is the right guy. He probably isn't. But he can't do shit or even prove if he is or isn't properly, because of the board. It probably won't take too many signings to fill the squad enough to give it a fair chance, and Ole probably wouldn't do well enough in the end anyway whereas with Pochettino we'd have hope. But right now? Pochettino/Ole/whoever, we aren't going to achieve anything. Not until the club reinforces properly and stops playing catch up every year by buying players a year too late, by which time new problems open up.
 
What can the guy do when our forwards are missing sitters and our 80 million pound defender is dropping bowlers?

He can coach the team to create more good chances because footballers do not score every sitters, they generally miss them or the goalkeeper makes a good save. That's why football is a low scoring game.
 
Ok so you think Pochettino will come in and get this squad into title challengers? Clearly top 4? Listen, I'm not saying Ole is the right guy. He probably isn't. But he can't do shit or even prove if he is or isn't properly, because of the board. It probably won't take too many signings to fill the squad enough to give it a fair chance, and Ole probably wouldn't do well enough in the end anyway whereas with Pochettino we'd have hope. But right now? Pochettino/Ole/whoever, we aren't going to achieve anything. Not until the club reinforces properly and stops playing catch up every year by buying players a year too late, by which time new problems open up.
He would do a better job than Ole
 
And implement the pashun, "Inter way" structure of being again midtable, but with a plan!



Well you are defending the guy who condoned this and didn't bring in a replacement but thought about spending most of the budget on a CB, having 7 in his ranks and sending out one of them on loan to Roma.

Not that we didn't need another CB, but it was waaaay down in the list of priorities after CF and CM.
I criticised both decisions at the time on here (it is possible, you don't have to pick a side and make sure everything you say is a negative/positive on the manager).

I don't agree that a new CB (to play alongside Smalling) wasn't priority though. I'm sure the majority would have agreed at the end of last season.

Lukaku wanted to leave. We don't know what pressure there was from above to sell. I think it's daft to believe that Ole thought that this squad is anywhere near good enough and that he didn't want another striker despite what he might say in public. He was part of some of our best ever strongest squads, he's not stupid.
 
You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?

Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
I'm not surprised at all by this result. Look at the fecking team he had to pick from. We don't have players. No, I don't expect a 2-0 loss, but what I'm expecting every game from now until the end of the season if we don't sign anyone and Pogba/McTominay/Rashford are out the whole time is every game is going to be a slog, grind fest, basically flip of the coin to determine the result. It's a mid table squad that is left. No better. A mid table squad that will have mid table results.

Last season was a unique thing season in that we suffered both extremes after he became manager. I'm only looking at this season. I'm not saying he's even very good. I'm saying I don't see a big difference this season, with this squad, regardless of who the manager is. Plenty of them have individually done pretty well. Plenty of them have gone through good periods and progressed as players. But when you're in a situation where your best players need to play every week and then get injured, and you have no depth, then I don't think there's much anyone can do. On top of that the whole Pogba being absent the entire season situation. It's basically as if we sold him and didn't replace him in the summer. Would you be expecting top 4 if last summer we sold Pogba and didn't sign anyone but we replaced Ole with Pochettino? I sure as feck wouldn't.

My whole point is that Ole being manager or not doesn't fecking matter at this point. No matter the manager, it isn't changing until the management change their attitude.

And I’m sorry, but that entire point needs to be thrown in the thrash and burned. If you swapped Ole with Tony Pulis, would you be saying the same thing? If it doesn’t matter that we’ve had Ole and Moyes as managers , well then what’s the point in even attempting to be a big club anymore, we might as well just throw in the towel now. What utter lunacy you people are spouting :lol:
 
But was doing worse with a team most expected to finish at least 3rd this season.
Yes worse when he finished top 3 twice and took them to a UCL final. Hell he got a worse Southampton squad playing much better than Ole has us playing
 
Better than Ole is being firmly in the top 4. Not buying it with Pogba out all season and just these to choose from.
I think he does a better job yes mainly because he is good coach

No reason why we couldn't be top4 with how poor Chelsea have been
 
Ok so you think Pochettino will come in and get this squad into title challengers? Clearly top 4? Listen, I'm not saying Ole is the right guy. He probably isn't. But he can't do shit or even prove if he is or isn't properly, because of the board. It probably won't take too many signings to fill the squad enough to give it a fair chance, and Ole probably wouldn't do well enough in the end anyway whereas with Pochettino we'd have hope. But right now? Pochettino/Ole/whoever, we aren't going to achieve anything. Not until the club reinforces properly and stops playing catch up every year by buying players a year too late, by which time new problems open up.
Our squad is good enough to beat Burnley at home. It's the responsibility of the manager. It's embarrassing. The improvement should be incremental and the quickest thing We can do is to change the manager. That's step 1.
 
Our squad is good enough to beat Burnley at home. It's the responsibility of the manager. It's embarrassing. The improvement should be incremental and the quickest thing We can do is to change the manager. That's step 1.
I'm not even saying we shouldn't change manager. Yeah, Pochettino should probably take over. I don't think this season would go any differently to what we've been seeing though. He wouldn't have the players to do any different IMO. He would attract better players and I'd have more faith for future building, but I don't think we'd see any difference in results from here on in, given we don't have Rashford, McTominay, Pogba all probably for most of the remaining season.
 
Ok so you think Pochettino will come in and get this squad into title challengers? Clearly top 4? Listen, I'm not saying Ole is the right guy. He probably isn't. But he can't do shit or even prove if he is or isn't properly, because of the board. It probably won't take too many signings to fill the squad enough to give it a fair chance, and Ole probably wouldn't do well enough in the end anyway whereas with Pochettino we'd have hope. But right now? Pochettino/Ole/whoever, we aren't going to achieve anything. Not until the club reinforces properly and stops playing catch up every year by buying players a year too late, by which time new problems open up.

Take Watford this season. They were fecking shite. Javi Gracia was off and couldn't last September after 3 opening losses on the trot and a draw.

In comes Flores, turns out even worse. Comfortably rock bottom and they sack him in December. Probably Watford fans like you have already gave up at that point and welcomed the Championship?

Since they replaced Flores and appointed Pearson - only lost two games - away to Liverpool and Villa. 4 wins, three in a row. Now are on level points with the 17th West Ham.

Changing managers doesn't achieve anything right? Watford should've just accepted they are going down and be done with it.
 
Yes worse when he finished top 3 twice and took them to a UCL final. Hell he got a worse Southampton squad playing much better than Ole has us playing
Why are we going back in time? What matters is what would he do with this terrible squad, not Kane, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele etc at their peak.
 
Why are we going back in time? What matters is what would he do with this terrible squad, not Kane, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele etc at their peak.
Better than what Ole can do is what I said. His tactics and ability to coach and improve players is levels above Ole. Both their track records show that.
Ole is here because he went on a lucky run which was down to lifting the mood and nothing to do with being a good manager or coach
 
There needs to be a theme running through the club and the manager needs to be hired or fired on the basis that he understands what the club is about, and that he can get a tune out of the players we have and play with. Otherwise you end up with the clusterf*ck we’ve had for the last 6 years where the “next guy” comes in, spaffs a load of cash and we start the rebuild again with a new ethos.

Ole will instil that plan and provide a base for the next manager to work from. He has the vision, but lacks the steel, knowledge and ability to implement it himself. Let him put the groundwork in, take the flak, assemble the squad. Then “next guy” can come in and make some minor tweaks and take it from there.
If Ole, by your own admission, lacks the knowledge or ability then why in the absolute feck should anyone implement his vision? I wouldn't ask my dog to take the roll of architect for my new house and then hand the plans over to the builders and say "start with this". Mainly because my dog can't draw that well.
 
Take Watford this season. They were fecking shite. Javi Gracia was off and couldn't last September after 3 opening losses on the trot and a draw.

In comes Flores, turns out even worse. Comfortably rock bottom and they sack him in December. Probably Watford fans like you have already gave up at that point and welcomed the Championship?

Since they replaced Flores and appointed Pearson - only lost two games - away to Liverpool and Villa. 4 wins, three in a row. Now are on level points with the 17th West Ham.

Changing managers doesn't achieve anything right? Watford should've just accepted they are going down and be done with it.
We'll see how it works out longer term. Watford weren't expected to be near the bottom this season.

Someone on here even argued with me that sacking Gracia and bringing back Flores would turn their season around. Changing managers always works right?
 
Why are we going back in time? What matters is what would he do with this terrible squad, not Kane, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele etc at their peak.
He'd do infinitely better than the worst manager in the league. He wouldn't let the squad be in the same state during the Summer window either. He's not an amateur like our current manager.