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He has not had a full season yet.
Give him to December at least.
Give him to December at least.
You make it sound like we're the only team that misses chances. If Sterling scored his missed chances we would of lost by 6. If Salah scored his missed chances we would of lost by 4 or 5 and that's only in the last couple of weeks. Plenty of teams miss good chances against us.Tonight wasn't good enough. But then there's no excuses for Martial and Mata missing the chances they did.
Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.Yes, to highlight the embarrassment of it.
The you honestly think Conte would have allowed the daft "United way" mass exodus that has left us so exposed shows you can't look at this critically. Conte would have kept a strong squad, got the best out of players and made sure that a rebuild was done with the present also in mind.
Thinking it could of been worse
Do you honestly think Liverpool should bother giving Klopp all that money? or just hand it to his assistant for 1/4 of the wage?
What long term plan? Ole is tactically inept. He is unproven, inexperienced, as is 90% of his coaching team. Ship without a rudder.I’m Ole in. I’m not happy with our current run of results or our performances in general this season, but still feel the long term plan of Brexit FC is a good one. I can appreciate others will disagree.
For me, the British youth is currently the best in the world and it’s not wrong trying to build a team out of that. Some patience will be required and it’s going to be shit for a while, but it will get better and we will be trailblazers again. Got to keep the faith guys. This is what foresight looks like before it becomes hindsight.
Yeah. Most sensible thing to do.I'm compiling a list of all you fecking whining cnuts that want Ole sacked so when he is sacked and we have the same shit squad with a new manager churning out the same shit results under the same ownership with Woodward at the helm I can chime in here and say, "now what?"
I don't even care anymore. Until the owners or Woodward is chucked out, it's all the same. I'll still watch matches but I stopped letting it ruin my day several years ago. I suggest you all do the same. Life is too short to cry over something you can't change.
That makes no sense unless you think management and coaching is just like 1% of everything.Put Pochettino in charge of the squad we've had this season, and we would be no better off IMO. He's obviously a quality manager and better than Ole
Darmian, Valencia, Fellaini, Smalling, Lukaku, have all featured on many people's lists of players we don't want over the past couple of years. They are now no longer here. Mata, Matic, Lingard, Jones, Rojo among others are probably needing moved on sooner rather than later too. Getting rid of average players IS a good plan, and we have been needing to do it for years. Again though, we need to actually replace them properly or the plan kind of falls apart.Apart from Young who is this deadwood? We are still paying fecking Sanchez’s wages for gods sake!
Hopeless.Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
At least you realise he will be sacked. And when that happens it will be so interesting to see which club will want to hire such an amazing manager, not even Molde will.I'm compiling a list of all you fecking whining cnuts that want Ole sacked so when he is sacked and we have the same shit squad with a new manager churning out the same shit results under the same ownership with Woodward at the helm I can chime in here and say, "now what?"
I don't even care anymore. Until the owners or Woodward is chucked out, it's all the same. I'll still watch matches but I stopped letting it ruin my day several years ago. I suggest you all do the same. Life is too short to cry over something you can't change.
I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.Anybody who is Ole in at this point is naturally supporting the decline of the club.
And we can't recall him when in need.Apart from Young who is this deadwood? We are still paying fecking Sanchez’s wages for gods sake!
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He is a substantially better manager than Solskjaer.Put Pochettino in charge of the squad we've had this season, and we would be no better off IMO.
No-one, absolutely no-one does that so do be quiet.The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.
You would think of all fans, we should know best how important a manager is.That makes no sense unless you think management and coaching is just like 1% of everything.
I don't disagree with what you're saying but to say that Ole isn't a problem is absolute rubbish and as long as he is the manager we are going nowhere. Not only that, but as long as we have these owners the club is going nowhere. You can't tell me a more qualified manager wouldn't have better results than what we have been seeing this season.I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.
The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.
Forget the manager at this stage, this now goes way beyond the manager. The Glazers now have to be put firmly under the spotlight. No manager will thrive under them. It's totally unacceptable what they are doing to this club.
Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
It's never that straightforward and definitely won't be under the next manager whoever it is. There's always a chance things could be worse.
I'd actually be okay with us being relegated right now (may happen next season if Ole is still here) - it would be the only way the Glazers and their prize idiot Woodward bugger off.Anybody who is Ole in at this point is naturally supporting the decline of the club.
In what world "people are letting the Glazers off scot free"? They have been under pressure ever since the take over. People are chanting them off every single game.I'm sorry but that's absolute utter rubbish.
The people that blame the manager year after year whilst letting the Glazers get off scot free season after season are the one's that are naturally supporting the decline of the club.
Forget the manager at this stage, this now goes way beyond the manager. The Glazers now have to be put firmly under the spotlight. No manager will thrive under them. It's totally unacceptable what they are doing to this club.
Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly think that any competent manager could put up a worse record than Ole since he became permanent manager? He's won something like 29% of his Premier League games since becoming permanent manager (someone please correct me if I have that number wrong but I think it's in the ballpark). It can't get worse than that. You or I could win as many games as Ole and I'm not even kidding.Yes just assume everything would have gone to Conte's plan, Woodward would have given him everything he wanted, these overpaid average players would have all loved Conte and given their all for him.
It's never that straightforward and definitely won't be under the next manager whoever it is. There's always a chance things could be worse.
You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.Current season and a gutted team thanks to Ole?
Under better manager we would've been top 4 easily, considering how crap the other top teams have been.
Miles off the likes of City and Liverpool of course, but change Rodgers and Ole and it will made a world of difference.
Did you watch the game? The finished Matic was probably our best player with two incisive passes in the first half which could ended up in goals. Fred has been pretty good lately, Rashford has been one of the best attackers in the league this season. DDG is doing ok - not brilliantly but better than last year. Maguire, AWB, James - weren't those hailed as fantastic coups by the "Ole In brigade" and the reason why he is in the job?
McTom has been pretty good. The likes of Lingard and Pereira constantly get chance after chance because they are his favorites and one of whom he gave a new big fat contract.
We have a very short team - thanks to him, yet our first team, under a better manager(even with injuries) would've turned a lot of those lost points into victories..
And don't start on the injuries, Spurs have had almost everyone in the team injured at some point, Arsenal had their usual amount of sidelined players, whilst even Norwich can't field a proper back 4 for months.
I agree he's a substantially better manager. But results wise I don't think Ole has done any worse than expected given players at his disposal. We're "fighting" for 4th, with this group and with Pogba being out the entire season. I really can't expect anything more from this group, and I don't think anyone can. Not until there are some reinforcements.I'm sorry but that's nonsense. He is a substantially better manager than Solskjaer.
I agree though, that there isn't a manager out there who, by themselves, sorts this need out. But Poch is the right manager that we need to make the necessary changes under. Putting it differently, I don't think Ole, even under the right ownership, is good enough. Whereas Poch, under the right owners, would be sensational for us.
Obviously he will sell their current top scorer.Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.
21 points behind Juventus.
In comes Conte and his biggest signings is apparently one useless forward according to the caf.
This season they were 1st couple of weeks ago and are only 4 points off Juve as things stand today.
But yeah if Inter appointed Solskjaer it would have been the same right?
When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.Inter last year - made 4th spot on the last day and were fortunate not to concede another goal in the last 10 minutes, I mean really fortunate if you seen the game.
21 points behind Juventus.
In comes Conte and his biggest signings is apparently one useless forward according to the caf.
This season they were 1st couple of weeks ago and are only 4 points off Juve as things stand today.
But yeah if Inter appointed Solskjaer it would have been the same right?
That side Ole took over was the 2nd best team in the PL the previous season. He then culled the same squad without getting much needed replacements. He spent 80 million on a CB when we needed players in midfield. He could have got two good midfield players or even three for the amount he spent on Maguire.You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.
On the injuries, all those teams are below us so I'm not sure what your point is there. They have obviously been hampered by it.
I think management and coaching can only do so much when you're squad is so thin.That makes no sense unless you think management and coaching is just like 1% of everything.
You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?I agree he's a substantially better manager. But results wise I don't think Ole has done any worse than expected given players at his disposal. We're "fighting" for 4th, with this group and with Pogba being out the entire season. I really can't expect anything more from this group, and I don't think anyone can. Not until there are some reinforcements.
Saying that, I don't think we'd be markedly different with reinforcements under Ole (better ultimately, but probably not even on par with Leicester this year), whereas with reinforcements with Pochettino we'd be a lot better.
Pretty average to win the title? Of course. Is it worse than Chelsea, Leicester and the likes that are above us? No, the difference is the manager. Put Ole in charge for Leicester and he will drive them midtable just like Puel.You would have said it was a pretty average looking side 8 months ago though and wouldn't expect it to win many PL games. Suddenly now it's good enough and Ole should be doing far better with it.
On the injuries, all those teams are below us so I'm not sure what your point is there. They have obviously been hampered by it.
Deadwood apparently.When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.
The assumption was that we would replace him in the squad adequately. People were (rightly IMO) happy that we were giving Martial and Rashford bigger roles. Rashford had been brilliant this season, but no depth led him to getting injured. Martial was also having a good season, and forming an encouraging partnership with Rashford. But now with Rashford out, and again, no depth to speak of, it's hard to see him doing much on his own.When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.
This 2nd best team nonsense again. Just like Leicester were the 'best team' in 2016 so presumably should still be there with your logic.That side Ole took over was the 2nd best team in the PL the previous season. He then culled the same squad without getting much needed replacements. He spent 80 million on a CB when we needed players in midfield. He could have got two good midfield players or even three for the amount he spent on Maguire.
He could have coached these players better. They are not that bad players individually. You replace Periera with a good midfield player and replace Matic with another and if coached and set up properly we at least would have been in 4th or even 3rd place.
He cannot even get us to defend a set piece. Scholes said today it is because United now is not practicing set pieces. The man is a clown now. He needs to be sacked now.
Why can't you accept that the squad is so thin and poor because Ole culled the squad and did not bring in any players? If our players are so pathetic why doesn't he get some from anywhere? Surely they should be better than Lingard and Pereira? And they would not cost an arm and a leg. For 80 million we could have got two class midfield players from abroad. Yet he arsed about Longstaff. If the Board is not getting him any players then he should come out and say openly he is not getting any new players.I think management and coaching can only do so much when you're squad is so thin.
An attack of Rashford, Martial, James, Greenwood, Lingard, Mata. A midfield of McTominay, Fred, Matic, Pereira and Garner. The defensive choices and goalkeepers are fine with depth, maybe not top quality but it's fine. That midfield and attack is horrendous though. Pogba out for the entire season and obviously leaving in the summer too. Do you see that as a squad that is more than 4th-6th? Not a chance. Pochettino would do a whole lot more with us with the proper reinforcements of course than Ole would, but with this current group, I don't think he'd do much more. Players like Andreas Pereira just aren't capable of it. Players like Mata and Matic aren't up to it anymore. Our only good players need to play every game because there is no depth, leading to injuries.
We probably wouldn't quite have the same squad situation with Pochettino (debatable though, given it's Woodward and the Glazers calling the shots), but with what we have, I'd bet there wouldn't be much of a difference in the league table/points totals. Performances might show more promise on the rare occasion we can put out a decent starting 11 and everyone is fit though.
Absolutely no-one? The vast majority of our fanbase will lap up whatever Woodward has to say to the media. When season tickets need selling in the summer you can bet our fanbase will get excited over Woodward's false promises whether it's appointing a director of football or a £300 million rebuild. We're getting conned year after year ffs.No-one, absolutely no-one does that so do be quiet.
And implement the pashun, "Inter way" structure of being again midtable, but with a plan!Obviously he will sell their current top scorer.
Well you are defending the guy who condoned this and didn't bring in a replacement but thought about spending most of the budget on a CB, having 7 in his ranks and sending out one of them on loan to Roma.When everyone was celebrating selling Lukaku I was questioning why.
I'm not surprised at all by this result. Look at the fecking team he had to pick from. We don't have players. No, I don't expect a 2-0 loss, but what I'm expecting every game from now until the end of the season if we don't sign anyone and Pogba/McTominay/Rashford are out the whole time is every game is going to be a slog, grind fest, basically flip of the coin to determine the result. It's a mid table squad that is left. No better. A mid table squad that will have mid table results.You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?
Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
Spot on. Some of the comments on here are embarrassing. Folk are seriously suggesting a better manager couldnt have got better results than Ole. Really?You don’t expect any better vs Burnley at OT than a 0-2 loss? Did you expect better on the final day of last season when both Pogba and Rashford were present?
Listen to yourselves, the jig is fecking up, Ole is a terrible manager, with a terrible track record at the highest level, it doesn’t matter who he has at his disposal.
Honestly though - forget all our injuries. The squad we had out tonight should have been easily able to control a game at home against Burnley. There is a susceptibility amongst fans which managers, owners and PR mouthpiece guys like Stone exploit in that if they say something enough, people start to believe it. Mou did this constantly and now Ole is doing it with this incessant positivity and talk of a journey/getting there, I genuinely cannot believe there are people on this sub who watch football regularly and genuinely, forgetting Ole's history, think he's doing a good job or that any kind of rebuild is happening.Ok I am not Ole in, but I struggle to see anyone with any dignity left take over this mess. Not defending Ole at all but this clear out was needed and fans had been waiting for it for a long time.
But according to you I am hopeless so why would I give a toss.