No he wasnt shite
The “Ole In” Brigade
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No he wasn't
1st year - Took over a Liverpool side in October (so no pre-season) that was playing poorly under Rodgers and in 10th place, ended the season in 8th place and went into two cup finals. Played some damn good football over the season as well.
2nd year - 2nd place about halfway through the season and ended the season fairly comfortable in 4th. The team never dropped out of the top 4 places since gameweek 5. Played some damn good football over the season as well.
3rd year - Had a bumpy start to the season but ultimately guided the team to a comfortable 4th place finish and a Champions League final. Played some damn good football as well.
That's not shite at all. That's pretty good actually. I'd be very happy if we made a similar kind of progress.
Klopp had won the Bundesliga a few times and the German Cup and been to the finals of the CL before he came to Liverpool. What has Ole Gunnar done as a manager apart from winning a mickey mouse league in Norway? He may as well won the league in San Marino or South Korea. The opnly club he managed in the PL, he relegated them. He has no clue about coaching a football team. Yes I agree that Woodward is an imbecile and he is as much as to blame but that does not absolve Ole of his ineptitude.
It's disappointing as hell to watch and the reaction of the fans to what they are seeing unfold on the pitch is totally understandable.
That being said, I don't see how having Poch or any of the other names touted around would make much difference to what we are seeing on the pitch. He would be under ridiculous amounts of pressure to turn things around with players like Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard in the mix for selection. We're asking not for a manager here but a Ranieri-style miracle worker.
The plain facts are that we don't have the financial clout to compete anymore and the owners are running the club down.
Let's be honest, losing Rashford is a hammer blow and is cruel on us, but he was only masking what was plain for all to see. The squad and the entire club are in dire need of investment and are basically being left to rot.
That being said, I don't see how having Poch or any of the other names touted around would make much difference to what we are seeing on the pitch. He would be under ridiculous amounts of pressure to turn things around with players like Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard in the mix for selection. We're asking not for a manager here but a Ranieri-style miracle worker.
The plain facts are that we don't have the financial clout to compete anymore and the owners are running the club down.
Let's be honest, losing Rashford is a hammer blow and is cruel on us, but he was only masking what was plain for all to see. The squad and the entire club are in dire need of investment and are basically being left to rot.
You are right. Finishing 8th in his first season was clearly building towards something. If that something was relegation.
Just like Saint Pep was shite in his first year with the most expensive squad ever assembled. It's no longer realistic to expect a manager to come in and perform with somebody else's players. PL football has become too much about tactics and team structure at the top end for that to work. They all need time to bring in the players they want and we are starting from a far lower bar than anybody else.
Do we trust Ole to bring those players in? We shouldn't have to. We should have a Director of Football setting the direction. Until that changes it doesn't matter what we do and any managerial appointment will just be pot luck.
Getting a better manager now helps us to keep Pogba & Smalling for next year - has the guts to drop de gea for someone like Romero or Henderson - has the guts to start young players if they are good enough like they promised they would when they joined - has the ability to bring players in their prime which we lack.
Furthermore has the ability to not mess up his own tactics as seen today - playing a support striker of vision with a CAM and a winger rather than who he describes the best finisher at the club. Also has the ability to win the europa league.
Furthermore has the ability to not mess up his own tactics as seen today - playing a support striker of vision with a CAM and a winger rather than who he describes the best finisher at the club. Also has the ability to win the europa league.
Tell me something. What has Ole won as a manager apart from a Mickey Mouse League? What has Pep and Klopp won before they came to the PL?
Wasn't his first season. And he managed to get bunch of deadwoods to two finals.
Try again
I'm not saying Ole is good enough. I'm saying we can't tell either way whilst we have such a disjointed squad and recruitment process.
Yes to anyone with a working pair of eyes, he was instilling a strong tactical imprint on his team. He also reached two cup finals in the 1st season. In his first full year in charge, he got them playing spankingly good attacking football and made the CL final. Do you really want to go with this losing argument and what Ole is "achieving" in his first full season?
Pep is tactically a very advanced football manager and took a year drill his ideas into that football team. In that first year he also managed to get CL football despite the transitional phase. Everybody knows what happened thereafter with back to back PL titles.
The last bit is complete nonense. Klopp didn't add all that many players to perform well in his second year. I bet he spent less than Ole did last summer. Pep spent but his impediment in coaching and existing players (like Sterling) was enormous. Rodgers this season has improved Leicester with loads of inherited players. You're just making up an argument in the absence of one. Quality manager all around the world do a great job without needing tons of new players. At least not to show genuine progress. But then again, we don't have quality manager.
A man who gets rid of Smalling on Loan when we start of with CBs with injuries, gives Jones new contract isn't good enough.
That by itself started out my doubts over his management over this squad.
You can't tell for some reason. Others can.
How do you go from CL final to sacked middle of following season if you’re such a great manager?
In a fairy tale world the Glazers would sell but since they’re not, it doesn’t matter who the manager is. They will be treated the same when it comes to new signings.
I think you need to go back and look at what those managers actually did if you think they didn't need to bring in specific players to kickstart their teams.
Pep needed his attacking fullbacks.
Klopp needed fluid attackers, a top midfielder and a new keeper. Not to mention Van Dijk.
Rodgers bought an almost entirely new midfield in his first window.
Ole's 3 signings of Maguire, AWB and James do not look out of place amongst those. It's the rest of the squad and the sheer amount of deadwood that's the problem.
Nothing wrong with getting rid of Smalling in isolation. Clearly not and never has been good enough. Ole's job is to identify areas he wants to improve, which he clearly did because we bought a CB, but it should be somebody else who goes out and actually buys the players.
2 years i guess. He had some absolute horror show results because of his dogshite defenders.
In his 1st season 2015-16 Replaced Rodgers in mid October 2015
Crystal Palace beat them at home 1:2, lost to Newcastle (2:0), were close to losing against WBA (2:2 last min origi goal), Watford beat them 3:0, lost to WHU 2:0, lost to Southampton 3:2 despite leading 0:2 at half time, lost to Swansea 3:1. They finished 8th and played in the Europa League Final where they lost to Sevilla. They had decent results against top 6 - beat city both times
in his 2nd season 2016-17
Lost to Burnley 2:0 , lost to Bournemouth 4:3 despite leading 0:2 at half time, lost to Swansea at home 3:2, lost to Hull 2:0, lost again to Crystal Palace at home 1:2. Liverpool finished 4th - 1 point ahead of Arsenal.
in his 3rd season 2017-18
First game of the season drew to Watford 3:3, lost to City 5:0, lost to Spurs 4:1, lost to Swansea 1:0. Crystal Palace were not their bogey team anymore. They finished 4th again in the PL and played in the UCL final. van Dijk signed in Jan 2018
Utter rubbish. Smalling has always been better than Lindelof and not a single manager would say any different. People act surprised like he's having a good season for Roma. SAF wouldn't sell Smalling to keep Lindelof & Bailly or Tuenzebe or TFM.
Not really. I'll repeat, Klopp got Liverpool playing fanatastic attacking football and reaching a CL final in his first full season without that many additions. Rodgers has had a terrific season and improved Leicester hugely in his first full season without adding many players. Ole has spent 150 million and achieved our worst points tally in aeons. You're the one unable to look at the present clearly let alone the past.
As for Pep, he spent big but the level of his coaching regardless was incredible to get them to stroll to the title (with the points tally they got) in season 2. Again, adding a few players is different from needing a new team. And I believe he over spent anyway. Take out a few of those extra and pointless signings and they still win the league in 16/17 comfortably. Again, there's no point comparing Pep and Ole. One is one of the greats of his era. The other is Ole.
Again completely ignoring the teams?
Like do some of you even realize what kind of team Ole has?
This isn't even a top 6 team on paper
Pure speculation of course, none of us can predict it with 100% certainty.
It doesn't matter, we are hanging on to him which is fecking crazy
Still a team that should be playing better than it has, that should never lose to some woeful teams at homeAgain completely ignoring the teams?
Like do some of you even realize what kind of team Ole has?
This isn't even a top 6 team on paper
Yes maybe it isn't a top 6 team - when managed by Ole.Again completely ignoring the teams?
Like do some of you even realize what kind of team Ole has?
This isn't even a top 6 team on paper
Did he really put on Lingard when we were down 2 and he hasn't got a goal nor assist in league since last year? i was pro Ole, but it is a WRAP.
And what does it say Ole's management qualities when he takes over a team and then apparently (as per his blind followers) has an even worse team at his disposal going into the first full season after spending 150 million to boot.
Would love to see the thread on premier league predictions to see whether people felt Chelsea and Leicester would finish above us this season. I bet everyone felt they had a better squad, miright?
Would love to see the thread on premier league predictions to see whether people felt Chelsea and Leicester would finish above us this season. I bet everyone felt they had a better squad, miright?
To be noted that teams always look worse when they're not managed well. It's sort of how it works.
I saw Paul Scholes and Tim Sherwood and both agreed that this squad and the team he put out is good enough to beat teams like Burnley. Yes people like Scholes and Rio are not going to go out and crucify Ole publicly but they have said its not good enough at all and the team is good enough to beat the teams we have lost that are not City, and Liverpool. Pretty damning.
I think we should ask, how would Ole do at Barca or RM or even Pool?? Answer that and we know if he should stay or not.
Would be sacked at both. People seem to think they easy jobs ask Valverde after winning two league titles. Ole is worse than Valverde. Or ask the two or three managers Madrid had last season.
We were awful no argument with that but we should have been 2-0 up and had we taken our chances it would have been a comfortable win.
............................ De Gea....................
..Awb.... Smalling...... Lindelof.... Williams
.................. Fred............. Pogba..................
..Ziyech................Bruno..............Rashford
........................... Lukaku...........................
Bench: Romero, Shaw, Pereira Mctominay, Greenwood, Martial, Tuanzebe.
Budget - The 140m Ole spent on Maguire James and AWB
New additions
Ziyech - 25m release clause
AWB - 45m
Bruno - 55m
Total - 125m
People talking shit that we are the 5th best team or no other manager can make this side better like it's not Ole who decided to sell our best striker and replace him with an unproven one in Martial. Like it's not Ole who decided to loan out best defender and splash 80m on his replacement with the only significant improvement being his ball playing ability.
Look at the team above and tell me whether that side does not look better than what Chelsea and Leceister have and with a budget even less than what we spent
..Awb.... Smalling...... Lindelof.... Williams
.................. Fred............. Pogba..................
..Ziyech................Bruno..............Rashford
........................... Lukaku...........................
Bench: Romero, Shaw, Pereira Mctominay, Greenwood, Martial, Tuanzebe.
Budget - The 140m Ole spent on Maguire James and AWB
New additions
Ziyech - 25m release clause
AWB - 45m
Bruno - 55m
Total - 125m
People talking shit that we are the 5th best team or no other manager can make this side better like it's not Ole who decided to sell our best striker and replace him with an unproven one in Martial. Like it's not Ole who decided to loan out best defender and splash 80m on his replacement with the only significant improvement being his ball playing ability.
Look at the team above and tell me whether that side does not look better than what Chelsea and Leceister have and with a budget even less than what we spent
Again with Lukaku
Lukaku wanted to leave. Get this through your thick skulls
Lukaku wanted to leave. Get this through your thick skulls
Ole has his faults but gosh our squad is absolutely horrendous. Injuries affected us but today showed just how bad we are. We have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds and when were were chasing the game, we brought on Sir Luke Shaw and JLingz.
Let that sink in everyone.
Let that sink in everyone.
Did he also want himself to not be replaced by another striker? The problem wasn't lukaku was sold, It was that he wasn't replaced adequately.
Yeah and look how the Fernandes transfer is going. Is that Ole's fault? Look how the Haaland transfer saga went. If you wanna blame someone blame Woodward.
Of course he wanted to leave when he was getting benched by Rashford. Lukaku didn't become unhappy then. When Ole came and he was playing and scoring he was one of the people talking about how Ole understands him and is getting the best out of him. If Lukaku was unhappy here long before he became 2nd choice then he would have made that known like he did in the summer. Or like Pogba is doing right now.
And even if he wanted to leave then don't fecking selling without a replacement lined up. It's very naive to sell your best goal scorer and not replace him. And if you blame Ed for not replacing Lukaku I can send you a link to an interview where Ole said there were strikers available but not the right ones
People killed me in this forum in the summer for saying that he should never have got this job . I keep asking the same question that if he got sacked tomorrow then what level would his next job be . Think about it for a second , the man supposed to get United out of this mdss would struggle to get a league 1 job if sacked . Every week it just beggers belief that this is being allowed to continue . His press conferences just kill me . He should do the respectable thing and walk away but he won't
Lukaku was talking about a future move to Serie A under Jose
There is an entire thread on Lukaku’s unhappiness.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rom...d-how-it-would-feel-to-leave-the-club.449595/
Pogba wants to leave and he's still here so far. The club is the one that decides if a player leaves or not, not the player himself, beside, it was stupid letting him go in the last 2 days of the market when it was pretty much confirmed he won't be replaced. So what, cancel the move and force him to stay for one more season even as a bench option till you sign a replacement in the upcoming window, and the player will have nothing to do except shutting up and playing.
Ole had managed the market pretty poorly, chose wrong priorities and sold players after knowing very well there's no time to replace them anymore. People may say this is a hindsight but I will expect my manager to have a better long sight vision than some fans on the internet.
Beside, today we were playing Burnley whom we have defeated about a month ago on their pitch so they are nothing exceptional. Not every loss is thanks to us not having Messi and Ronaldo in the squad.
Imagine thinking we would turn it around with a worse manager than David Moyes
Despite seeing very little from Ole in charge, we’ll get Poch in at the end of the year, not support him and sack him in two seasons. Nothing will change. Everyone is barking up the wrong tree.