I only played the first version of FIFA. Never liked the thing. Cyberpunk is decent though and I loved Witcher III
It just seems to be making you miserable(Thats how it comes across to me anyway).I only played the first version of FIFA. Never liked the thing. Cyberpunk is decent though and I loved Witcher III
Can we return to football now?
So what do you want to do about it? And who would you have signed instead?Being slightly better to what we've got hardly justify spending 80m on him
I posted a post, someone picked the negative parts and I had to further explain/discuss that. That's how posts work in a forum. There's a more balanced post up through the ranks.It just seems to be making you miserable(Thats how it comes across to me anyway).
United aren't that bad atm.
There's a more balanced post up through the ranks.
we're lucky we're not lingering in the bottom half of the EPL table.
The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.So what do you want to do about it? And who would you have signed instead?
Pardon me but I dont see the point of bringing this up, though you do seem rather frustrated and dispondent about United at the moment. Seems a little early in the season for that and considering the number of goals we are banging in.
It's nice you're picked yet another response post and you chopped most of it up. Let's stick on posts on PC games instead. It's better. Did you like cyberpunk?Cool.
Who's to say that these guy's would have worked out for UTD? Hindsight is wonderful, but harping on a signing which you don't agree with doesn't change anything.The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
I wish he has at least 10% of your so called "football intelligence".The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
Exactly this. The people that criticise us for spending £80m can never come up with a viable suggestion on who we should have bought instead. As you rightly point out we spent £13 Jones, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind and Smalling and not one of them has been anywhere near the level of Maguire.when you compare what we spen on Maguire to what we spent on Bailly, Jones and Rojo (wages and transfer fees) - it looks like money well spent.
some people can’t get to grips with how markets work, and the idea of scarcity.
some others just have a blind dislike of certain players for whatever reason. Unfortunately for them, they can’t even see past it when they are playing well.
Maguire has come in and done well. He’s never injured, which has been a massive problem at CB for a decade. Couldn’t care less what he cost, there was no one else available.
Ok so you dont rate our defensive solidity, would have signed a difference DM and CB in place of Maguire, and think Ole needs a top defensive coach. Quite a few feel the same about the defensive situation, that we are too easy to crack open.The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
You really should give fifa a go tbh.The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
Highly debatable, while he's great in the air he's also slow as feck and high line teams can't give themselves that luxury.The bottom line is Maguire would get in ANY team in the PL. That’s why he costs what he costs
Did we pay too much for Maguire ? Yes. But did we really have a choice ? We needed a leader at the back, someone who was good with the ball at his feet, and that was one position where we couldnt afford to gamble on a young, inexperienced player who potentially could be a better player than Maguire in a few years. There simply weren't a lot of good centrebacks out there. Still today, 1.5 years later I struggle to think of one available centreback who would strengthen our defence without a doubt. I see a lot of potentially really good defenders out there, but there are few in their prime.You don't spend 130m on two 'above average' players which is exactly how I would describe Maguire.
For this reason alone it was the right signing. Whether we will have a better player for the 2022 season is another matter entirely.Did we pay too much for Maguire ? Yes. But did we really have a choice ? We needed a leader at the back, someone who was good with the ball at his feet, and that was one position where we couldnt afford to gamble on a young, inexperienced player who potentially could be a better player than Maguire in a few years. There simply weren't a lot of good centrebacks out there. Still today, 1.5 years later I struggle to think of one available centreback who would strengthen our defence without a doubt. I see a lot of potentially really good defenders out there, but there are few in their prime.
He would win the league, and there would still be people in here calling for him to be sacked....Would there be anything sweeter that could happen to a united fan than Ole leading us to a league title? I for one can’t think of anything.
Partey, from what we know, wasn't for sale that summer. Why would you think Demiral would come to us and what makes you believe you can spend £80m on both him and Partey?The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
He’s got as much leadership as he got paceDid we pay too much for Maguire ? Yes. But did we really have a choice ? We needed a leader at the back, someone who was good with the ball at his feet, and that was one position where we couldnt afford to gamble on a young, inexperienced player who potentially could be a better player than Maguire in a few years. There simply weren't a lot of good centrebacks out there. Still today, 1.5 years later I struggle to think of one available centreback who would strengthen our defence without a doubt. I see a lot of potentially really good defenders out there, but there are few in their prime.
Demiral moved to Juve for peanuts that year. Partey had a minimum fee clausePartey, from what we know, wasn't for sale that summer. Why would you think Demiral would come to us and what makes you believe you can spend £80m on both him and Partey?
It seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing real.
Agreed, people hate being wrong.He would win the league, and there would still be people in here calling for him to be sacked....
Think you underestimate Maquire. He’s first choice on the national team, even captain sometimes. He is a high performer, but not among top 5 CB’s in the world like VVD.You don't spend 130m on two 'above average' players which is exactly how I would describe Maguire.
Well put my friend. Criticism of Maguire is laughable while lindelof is still a starting CB, our friend keeps going on about pace, mate, no 1 rule of an effective CB is the ability to head a ball. Bye bye VictorExactly this. The people that criticise us for spending £80m can never come up with a viable suggestion on who we should have bought instead. As you rightly point out we spent £13 Jones, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind and Smalling and not one of them has been anywhere near the level of Maguire.
Give me one so-called overpriced player who comes in and improves the XI over three “bargains” who don’t any day
The bottom line is Maguire would get in ANY team in the PL. That’s why he costs what he costs
Ah. You see, the point is that we should’ve signed a CB with bags of pace, great in the air, physically dominant, good with the ball, doesn’t make rash decisions, second to none positional sense, and a leader, for cheap! They’re ten a penny.Well put my friend. Criticism of Maguire is laughable while lindelof is still a starting CB, our friend keeps going on about pace, mate, no 1 rule of an effective CB is the ability to head a ball. Bye bye Victor
So you think rather then sign an experienced solid CB who was a full international and had PL experience, we should of signed an inexperienced CB who had made what 20 first team appearances in serie A for sassulou? Behave.Demiral moved to Juve for peanuts that year. Partey had a minimum fee clause
I agree on Partey's clause but that doesn't mean he'd like to move (he might do). As for Demiral, yeah, £16m is nothing in comparison but he is also 22 and definitely not someone who you'd expect to lead the defence. I can't imagine how any manager would buy a then-21 year old defender and expect them to be the cornerstone of our defence.Demiral moved to Juve for peanuts that year. Partey had a minimum fee clause
It would have been a genius signing. Juve pulled the trigger. Everyone else in world football missed out apparently. For every one of these successful signings (so far) there are far more busts.So you think rather then sign an experienced solid CB who was a full international and had PL experience, we should of signed an inexperienced CB who had made what 20 first team appearances in serie A for sassulou? Behave.
Funny that, isn't it. We finished 6th in 2019, Maguire came in and and was defensively the difference between us finishing 6th the season before, and 3rd in 2020, where we actually finished. This in turn clinched CL football which can be worth approx £60m-£80m to the club. If he stayed with Leicester, they'd have been defensively better than they were, and we'd have been defensively inferior than we were and as such, we'd have finished 5th at best, more than likely 6th again. This would have cost us the £60m-£80m (in reality we probably made just £30m by qualifying for the CL due to being knocked out at the group stages). So don't you see sometimes you've got to speculate to accumulate in football. Paying £80m instead of the £40m-£50m he's probably worth in reality, secured us CL football and going forward we're showing that consistency and are currently in 3rd place with a game in hand. This is progress and consistency we've never seen post-Fergie. You could argue the fee paid for itself in one season due to receiving £30m+ for qualifying and playing in the CL group stages.We made a slightly better then ordinary Cb the most expensive Cb in the world. To make matters worse his weaknesses cannot be properly coached out of the game. Proper coaching won't make him faster or intelligent (football wise)
The guy is error prone, he's slow and commits a brainfart on a regular basis. He's not that much better to lindelof
And I am sure I remember us crashing out of the CL and EL by coming 4th in 2005. Anyway, we have a chance, and for that, we have to take each game one by one.Not that I disagree with your point about us not being good enough challenging for the league, but using the CL as some kind of proof is meaningless in this comparison. In 2011/12 we came third and crashed into the EL in a group that had Benfica, Basle and Otelul Galati.
Doesn't matter mate, his point is, instead of 80 million for Maguire, we should've signed a foreign/hipster CB instead.Funny that, isn't it. We finished 6th in 2019, Maguire came in and and was defensively the difference between us finishing 6th the season before, and 3rd in 2020, where we actually finished. This in turn clinched CL football which can be worth approx £60m-£80m to the club. If he stayed with Leicester, they'd have been defensively better than they were, and we'd have been defensively inferior than we were and as such, we'd have finished 5th at best, more than likely 6th again. This would have cost us the £60m-£80m (in reality we probably made just £30m by qualifying for the CL due to being knocked out at the group stages). So don't you see sometimes you've got to speculate to accumulate in football. Paying £80m instead of the £40m-£50m he's probably worth in reality, secured us CL football and going forward we're showing that consistency and are currently in 3rd place with a game in hand. This is progress and consistency we've never seen post-Fergie. You could argue the fee paid for itself in one season due to receiving £30m+ for qualifying and playing in the CL group stages.
On top of that, we had the best clean sheet record in world football last season, we made significant progress in every competition we played in, 3 semi finals. Its not the finished article in terms of where we are as a football club, but Maguire is an essential jigsaw piece. Having someone there for 55-60 games, never being injured, providing stability, scoring goals, playing his part in clean sheets and the teams defensive output is absolutely crucial. It's laughable people call him error prone. Everyone makes errors. VVD makes errors, Joe Gomez makes errors, Laporte makes errors, Upamecano makes errors. Do you home in on Maguire because of his fee? Because he's ours? Because he got into a fight on holiday? Because people call him slabhead? I'm curious, whats the agenda? Critics disappear when he marshalls us to a brilliant defensive performance thats required to get us over the line when we surrender possession for the last 15 mins of games.
Secondly, Ole isn't the only Manchester United manager that wanted Maguire. Jose Mourinho also wanted him, and was publicly critical of the board for not delivering Maguire! Mourinho would have Maguire now, so if we hadn't have gone for Maguire, not only would we have finished 5th at best last season, we'd now no doubt be behind Spurs in the league, instead of ahead of them. City also wanted him, but we got him. Yet some of our own moan about £80m like its their own friggin cash. We commercial out-perform every club in the league, and beyond so what difference does it make if we pay £60m or £80m? Next time out we have more money available, to buy players.
Thirdly, it was Woodward & Judge who decide the fees, not Ole. Ole gives his list of priorities, just like Jose used to, just like every manager in the PL does. To think Ole is sat with Leicester officials with a blank cheque saying he'll pay whatever they want is absurd.
Agree and good points. I'd understand his argument if we had just finished 6th and we hadn't just demonstrated the best clean sheet record in world football.Doesn't matter mate, his point is, instead of 80 million for Maguire, we should've signed a foreign/hipster CB instead.
Maybe for 80 million, we could've signed Diaz, Upomecano, etc. But what we've signed, is the first choice English CB, isn't that what we always do? Fergie had Ferdinand, at one time we had Jones and Smalling as English top CBs.
Maguire has shown he can steadily grow himself from Sheffield to bigger clubs, why can't we give him that platform? Nothing wrong with that.
That's a ludicrous under selling of Maguire. Who is clearly one of the best in the league.We made a slightly better then ordinary Cb the most expensive Cb in the world. To make matters worse his weaknesses cannot be properly coached out of the game. Proper coaching won't make him faster or intelligent (football wise)
The guy is error prone, he's slow and commits a brainfart on a regular basis. He's not that much better to lindelof
Spot on, who else could we have signed that would slot in exactly as he did and has ample experience in the PL.So what do you want to do about it? And who would you have signed instead?
Pardon me but I dont see the point of bringing this up, though you do seem rather frustrated and dispondent about United at the moment. Seems a little early in the season for that and considering the number of goals we are banging in.