It's the Spurs stepping up part that puts us out it, coupled with the wheels coming off for us & injuries to players, yeah we aren't finishing above Spurs now.
The chase for 4th place (not top 4)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
That’s ok. This season is already a write off for us. Even pep would struggle with our current squad and we better get someone in summer for a proper rebuild. Conte wouldn’t alleviate our problem.
Haven't they been third in form and first in goals scored since Conté arrived? Arsenal had been pretty decent minus the last two weeks.
Not having that at all. Conte inherited a Spurs side that looked totally dead just like United do now. Even hit a terrible rough patch in January and still has them in the drivers seat for 4th now.
Your squad is miles more talented in most areas of the pitch than Tottenham’s is. He would’ve sorted you out and heading into next season in good shape.
No he wouldn’t. Spurs dressing room is quiet and there are no big egos. Imagine conte to manage pogba, ronaldo, shaw, bruno and our undroppable captain Maguire, all of these players are talented but lazy. And there is no media pressure at all for spurs made it easy for him.
Conte would certainly solve short term problems but not a good fit for long term.
We need proper rebuild and some major clear out in summer.
You are keep repeating that every single year. Stop with this rebuild nonsense. I don't want to get old since finally we made the so call "rebuild" you all are screaming about.
You may try to twist the things how you like, ain't working. Tottenham was dead last in most statistics, and they were the laziest team in the league by far. They was dead last in running/miles per match before Conte arrived.
And if you think Conte can't handle big egos i just don't know what to tell you, the guy is famous for it.
He was the guy that unlocked Pogba potential, or you forget that ?
Long term you say, and what will happen if your savior ETH fail miserable, which there is a big chance of that happen with that type of style in England?!
We got very solid squad, the only problem is our board and that we didn't have a top manager since Sir Alex retired.
If we was to get Conte, we 100% would have been in top 4, we would have more money and more option for actually strengthen the squad next year, and he would have challenge the title exactly next year, not after 5 or 6.
On top of that there is a very good chance that he would have won the title in 2-3 year time. For who exactly you can claim can do the same?
You know, Conte actually did manage Pogba, in fact it's the only time in his life that he actually was world class player week in, week out.
It's all about momentum at the right time in the battle for 4th, there's always so many drop points and stumbling over each other. I think Spurs look a good bet right, but there's awhile to go, maybe Arsenal can sort themselves out.
Spurs will finish 4th because Kane and Son are playing well. There is no over-achievement by Conte in getting Kane and Son to score some goals. They would have been comfortably beaten today by an opponent with decent finishers.
Arsenal will implode. They have a dubious character, little experience and are in a false position due to the mid-season break/fixture manipulation etc. They may drop to 7th when their accumulation of outstanding , difficult away games brings a normal weighting to their outcomes.
Arsenal will implode. They have a dubious character, little experience and are in a false position due to the mid-season break/fixture manipulation etc. They may drop to 7th when their accumulation of outstanding , difficult away games brings a normal weighting to their outcomes.
If we end up in 4th it will be the most undeserved finish ever in the history of the premier league
We will revisit this when conte leaves spurs next season.
Don't know why Arsenal fans are being this negative. Spurs are 3 points ahead having played a game more. They recently lost to us at OT. The race for top 4 always sees lots of points dropped even by the team that gets it.
We won't.
No one is out, one of Kane's dodgy ankles could blow a valve next game and he is out for the rest of the season. Or if Arsenal do over Spurs at WHL, and it doesn't matter how, dodgy VAR decision, crazy ping pong in the box deflected goal, w/e gets the job done.
Because we have lost momentum, we've lost quality out the first XI with the injuries to Tierney, Tomiyasu & Partey, & we have more difficult fixtures to come than those we have just faced.
We knew the squad wasnt great, we were relying on staying injury free & keeping the first XI intact for the rest of the season, which was always a massive gamble. Its not worked out it seems. All the while Spurs have found form, some consistency, & the attacking unit is playing as well as it has all season.
No it won’t. Spurs and Arsenal aren’t doing much to deserve it either. It’s a low level race. If we are less sh*t than the NL clowns, I’ll take it.
You are setting yourself up for egg on face with that username aren't you, what are you going to do if AJ knocks him out in the rematch
The fact that they are above you after playing half a season of shite football and having a better chance of getting 4th speaks volumes of where you are as a club right now. Top 4 should really have been out of sight for both of them.
Your comment says you are so ignorant on what Conte has achieved in his career. Conte may have managed big/rich teams - but at core he is a coach who improve players. Conte took over Juve when they were 7th without wining title for 7+ years. Out of nowhere (with current Spurs DoF Paratici helping) , he created the Juve side of 2010s - won 3 titles - these did not happen because he spent money - he developed a young Pogba coming on free-he also gave 2nd life to Pirlo and he brought in Barszagli on free
He also ended Juventus dominance of 8+ years, when he went into Inter & made them winning title. Conte also was the one who got the chelsea going again post-Mourinho era , giving washed up Moses a 2nd life as RWB
Conte doesnt ruin clubs - he weeds out bad, brings out the best and if given more chance - can help the club dominate the league
For Spurs, its all down to Levy - if he backs Conte, there is no reason for Spurs to actually start winning things. United had a great opportunity to land him - he would have dragged the team to CL and in under 2 years would have won the title with United resources. Thank Goodness, for United decision making
Agreed. Us failing to beat Everton has basically shut the door considering we have to play Chelsea and Liverpool. Knew Arsenal were gonna falter but I wondered how we would shape up after the international break. We're going badly as well.
We needed to beat both Everton and Norwich and we didn't do the first part.
Spurs getting beat and now arsenal losing at HT, we are still in the race, absolutely bizarre given our recent results!
United are out of it, even if its doable on paper, team mentally checked out a while ago.
Is this inexplicably on?
3 points off 4th now
Absolutely ridiculous that we're still in this.
Liverpool away is gonna be horrible though.
Liverpool away is gonna be horrible though.
Win our next two and we’re right back in it
How the hell are we still in this? We don't deserve to be
Don't do it to yourselves. Even if Arsenal and Spurs lose all their remaining games, we would still struggle to get into 4th.
Arsenal are out of the race as far as I'm concerned.
Once again this is the real title battle.
I said weeks back if Arsenal lost the tide would turn against them after their good run of form, and it has. We're still somehow in this which is ridiculous, but here we are. I expect us to lose against Liverpool but we need to beat Arsenal
This has to be the worst top 4 race in a long time. It comes down to who can bottle it the least.
We are crap and yet somehow in this rat race. Tells you how crap are Arsenal and Spurs are as well.
It's not gonna happen guys, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton, Palace is the rest of the fixtures. Winning 2 out of those would be fantastic.
We’re down, but somehow not out.
Exactly my thoughtsHow the hell are we still in this? We don't deserve to be
Gonna be Ronaldo v Kane for fourth but both teams are so inconsistent that 3 odd wins could do it
Imagine our midfield today against Liverpool? Arsenal and Chelsea- no chance we make it in current form
Not saying we’ll do it but the likes of Chelsea, Brighton and Palace could be on the beach by the time we play them and Arsenal are in free fall