Television The Disappearance of Madeleine Mccann Netflix Documentary

[Sarni]

Here's one: security camera was shit and missed him leaving. He then falls into the river accidentally.

I don’t think it’s plausible. That’s a heavily surveillanced area too, it’s not just one camera missing him but multiple. Also they’ve gone through recordings so many times.

Also, it’s very rare that people drown and their body does not come up on the surface of water. We have 5-6 drownings of drunk men in Kraków every year and they are all found within two months.

 

[altodevil]

I don’t think it’s plausible. That’s a heavily surveillanced area too, it’s not just one camera missing him but multiple. Also they’ve gone through recordings so many times.

Also, it’s very rare that people drown and their body does not come up on the surface of water. We have 5-6 drownings of drunk men in Kraków every year and they are all found within two months.

Maybe - but the key to this is the back door camera I reckon. It was motion-sensored or something, could easily have been turned off, or perhaps fiddled with for some legit reason. Then he goes out that way - with the band maybe? The rest is conjecture, but it would explain how he left.

 

[Brwned]

She withdrew her confession, but her brother never did. And he reconstituted the crime scene later, which presumably included putting the body in the freezer. I find the idea of selling an 8 year old child in 21st century Portugal, some rather absurd possibility, it's not exactly a baby. Also wasn't there some forensic evidence?

Still all very fishy and damning for that police squad in terms of prpcedures, but I find it unlikely that she wasn't killed in those circumstances.

Also, anyone knows if using pigs to dispose of bodies (leaving little to no evidence) is realistic or just movie stuff?

And why do you people know so much about this? Had no idea it had been an internationally famous case.

I'd never heard of it before, it just happened to be a small part of the story in this Netflix documentary. The links between child abduction in a relatively small region, a mother actively searching for their daughter and the same chief investigator on the case who later got removed from Madeline's case due to mishandling the previous one, all create connections that people investigating the Madeleine story couldn't resist drawing.

We know child trafficking is a big problem across the globe and it is plauisble that Portugal is one of the ports to facilitate that across continents. It's way more prevalent than we intuitively believe. We already know that Portuguese children have appeared in child trafficking databases in the last decade.

 

[Stick]

Because having multiple witnesses to the moment when they found out that she was “missing” would give them an alibi and make it more believable that she vanished on that night. Chances are she could have died a day earlier (not sure if there’s evidence of when she was last seen alive) and they could have planned to stage the vanishing act during the dinner to make it seem more believable. I’m not saying that’s what happened but just a theory as to why they went down for dinner.

I watched part of the first episode of this. I think they said she was at kids club that day but was very tired. If the theory of Keefy is accidental death by an allergic reaction then the obvious reaction for me would be to call for emergency services.

 

[Mockney]

I have nothing but the deepest contempt for the kind of people who make up ghoulish conspiracy theories about grieving parents to make themselves feel like some kind of cool online Fox Mulders.

 

[shabadu84]

I have nothing but the deepest contempt for the kind of people who make up ghoulish conspiracy theories about grieving parents to make themselves feel like some kind of cool online Fox Mulders.

That's all well and good but I have a feeling...

 

[Eyepopper]

I think they definately were involved. It's hard to pinpoint whether they killed her or knowingly sold her.

Spoiler

 

[Cascarino]

Steven Avery’s case is not really mystery, we know what happened there.

I have actually been quite a bit into true crime for the last year and a half and if I have to choose one mystery I would like to know the answer to it is Brian Shaffer’s disappearance. In most disappearances at least there are some plausible scenarios, in this one there is just absolutely nothing that makes sense.

With regards to Shaffer, do you think there’s any chance he disappeared on purpose? I think because of how intoxicated he was it would have been tricky but I don’t know shite

If they had anything at all to do with it they would have played the grieving parents and then slowly drifted into the background. They is no plausible scenario where they would have made the efforts that they have to keep the search alive.

I’m 100% the parents had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance. Every theory I’ve read suggesting they did have a part in her disappearance make absolutely no sense.

I think the Mccans are still hurt by this everyday and that pain will never go away. I think it’s admirable they’re still doing great work to not only find Madeleine but also other lost children. Often times the way they’ve been treated by the media has been disgraceful. I hope one day they get closure.

 

[Wibble]

I’m 100% the parents had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance. Every theory I’ve read suggesting they did have a part in her disappearance make absolutely no sense.

I think the Mccans are still hurt by this everyday and that pain will never go away. I think it’s admirable they’re still doing great work to not only find Madeleine but also other lost children. Often times the way they’ve been treated by the media has been disgraceful. I hope one day they get closure.

Agreed. Not to mention feckwit who love ludicrous conspiracy theories making it worse.

Part of what causes this seemingly obsessive need that to blame the parents is that people don't want to consider that this sort of thing could happen to their own children or children of friends/relatives. IMO of course.

 

[Sarni]

With regards to Shaffer, do you think there’s any chance he disappeared on purpose? I think because of how intoxicated he was it would have been tricky but I don’t know shite

It’s always possible but as you say in case of someone under heavy influence of alcohol it’s probably not very likely.

Thing is, if he really meant to go missing to start a new life, then he had really executed that perfectly with no traces left. I’m not sure it’s even possible for a sober person to perform a disappearing act this well and leave no traces, let alone someone who had been drinking for hours.

Accident is usually most likely but the lack of any trace of him exiting the bar leaves few ways that could happen. We had a similar, although slightly less weird case in Gdańsk (Polish seaside) nine years ago where a 19-year old girl was coming home from a party and walked down sea boulevard. She was caught by several cameras but then close to her home any trace of her stopped. She hasn’t been found until now and they’ve searched the whole area, interviewed everyone associated with her and have had so many theories yet zero conclusive evidence of anything.

Sodder children disappearance is another one that makes no sense though there are a few realistic theories.

 

[Himannv]

I’m 100% the parents had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance. Every theory I’ve read suggesting they did have a part in her disappearance make absolutely no sense.

I think the Mccans are still hurt by this everyday and that pain will never go away. I think it’s admirable they’re still doing great work to not only find Madeleine but also other lost children. Often times the way they’ve been treated by the media has been disgraceful. I hope one day they get closure.

I agree with most of that.

The only thing that seems strange to me is Kate McCann's discovery of the missing child. "They've taken her" is an unusual thing to yell. Wouldn't you normally shout "Maddie is missing" or something along those lines? Also, if she's already concluded that this is a kidnapping and that multiple people are involved; why did she run off leaving the twins all by themselves at the scene of the crime? I get that she wanted to raise the alarm, but leaving those two small kids in that room when she's already decided that kidnappers were involved is weird.

That action just seems a bit strange to me as though there's something about this that we don't know. Anyway it's hard to say what people would or wouldn't do in that sort of situation I suppose.

 

[Smashin]

The truth is his version is just that, and hasn't been proven.
If he was a reputable character he probably wouldn't have been sacked from the force, and most likely wouldn't be profiteering from other's misery with his book.

He was a normal reputable police inspector, but this case totally destroyed his life.
His investigation and opinion pointed towards the parents so he was totally vilified by the British media and with McCann influence he was turned into an escape goat.
He ended up losing his job, reputation and even his marriage fell apart.

The book was a way of him telling his story without being filtered by the media and trying to pay the bills since he was also being sued by the McCann.
Just this week the McCann were sentenced to pay him for the expenses after they lost in court.

 

[sullydnl]

He was a normal reputable police inspector, but this case totally destroyed his life.
His investigation and opinion pointed towards the parents so he was totally vilified by the British media and with McCann influence he was turned into an escape goat.
He ended up losing his job, reputation and even his marriage fell apart.

The book was a way of him telling his story without being filtered by the media and trying to pay the bills since he was also being sued by the McCann.
Just this week the McCann were sentenced to pay him for the expenses after they lost in court.

This is the same guy who was convicted of perjury after he falsified documents in another missing child case where officers were accused of torturing a suspect? Yeah, the McCanns really screwed his reputation over there.

 

[lsd]

With regards to Shaffer, do you think there’s any chance he disappeared on purpose? I think because of how intoxicated he was it would have been tricky but I don’t know shite



I’m 100% the parents had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance. Every theory I’ve read suggesting they did have a part in her disappearance make absolutely no sense.

I think the Mccans are still hurt by this everyday and that pain will never go away. I think it’s admirable they’re still doing great work to not only find Madeleine but also other lost children. Often times the way they’ve been treated by the media has been disgraceful. I hope one day they get closure.

Good post I agree and I do think there's something mentally wrong in people who insist on blaming them

 

[Sandikan]

He was a normal reputable police inspector, but this case totally destroyed his life.
His investigation and opinion pointed towards the parents so he was totally vilified by the British media and with McCann influence he was turned into an escape goat.
He ended up losing his job, reputation and even his marriage fell apart.

The book was a way of him telling his story without being filtered by the media and trying to pay the bills since he was also being sued by the McCann.
Just this week the McCann were sentenced to pay him for the expenses after they lost in court.

No tears for this fella for certain.

 

[Sandikan]

Good post I agree and I do think there's something mentally wrong in people who insist on blaming them

Probably the same mentality of people who make jokes about death and tragedies.
Always see the worst.

 

[BluesJr]

He was a normal reputable police inspector, but this case totally destroyed his life.
His investigation and opinion pointed towards the parents so he was totally vilified by the British media and with McCann influence he was turned into an escape goat.
He ended up losing his job, reputation and even his marriage fell apart.

The book was a way of him telling his story without being filtered by the media and trying to pay the bills since he was also being sued by the McCann.
Just this week the McCann were sentenced to pay him for the expenses after they lost in court.

That guy is the worst kind of police officer and I’d go as far as to say he’s to blame for them not finding her because there was absolutely no real search effort as soon as he decided it must be the parents.

 

[Wibble]

He was a normal reputable police inspector, but this case totally destroyed his life.
His investigation and opinion pointed towards the parents so he was totally vilified by the British media and with McCann influence he was turned into an escape goat.
He ended up losing his job, reputation and even his marriage fell apart.

The book was a way of him telling his story without being filtered by the media and trying to pay the bills since he was also being sued by the McCann.
Just this week the McCann were sentenced to pay him for the expenses after they lost in court.

He was incompetent and then tried to profit from his incompetence. The little girl had no chance of being found with this sort of idiot in charge.

 

[Wibble]

I'd forgotten about the perjury in another child related case and the accusations of torture.

 

[Catt]

I'd forgotten about the perjury in another child related case and the accusations of torture.

Wasn't there a mother of a missing child that was threatened and beaten?

 

[Prometheus]

It didn't reveal anything new to anyone that was old enough at the time and remotely paid any attention to the story. But hopefully it helps in someway, and raises awareness on many of issues. Jim Gamble's story about the wasteland broke my heart. It's very hard to have any faith in humanity when things like that are happening, honestly.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

From what I've read this documentary appears to be bringing no new evidence, no new ideas, no new point of view and no access to those most intimately involved. It's not like this is some obscure case that people don't know about either. So what's the actual point of it?

For those that didn't live in the UK, the coverage was not as intensive and while I knew about the case, there's loads of details this documentary gives that I did not know about.

 

[2cents]

Felt really bad for that young Spanish investigator who had to try to infiltrate the child porn community ( ffs) online. You could see he'd lost some of his humanity with the things he'd seen and people he'd befriended.

 

[PlayerOne]

Got around to watching and it's pretty mental how there are no solid clues out there as what to happened. I think whatever chance the case had all got lost with the investigation process and that clown of a lead investigator.

It's such an interesting case either way. I personally don't think a gang took her, think it was a lone person, hence the lack of evidence. Much easier to keep something like that hidden when there are less people involved. If she wasn't killed and there's a pedophile ring then you think she would become some kind of a trophy for whoever has her. It's all very heartbreaking

 

[SteveJ]

On a related note, this is an excellent drama:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07xt09g/the-missing

 

[Brwned]

Felt really bad for that young Spanish investigator who had to try to infiltrate the child porn community ( ffs) online. You could see he'd lost some of his humanity with the things he'd seen and people he'd befriended.

Yeah he had a really haunting look. You kind of forget that people have to do that for a living. More than that, because it's such a disgusting thing to even contemplate, it's difficult even appreciate the job they do - you just want to forget the whole thing exists as soon as possible.