The Double Draft

[P-Nut]

Want two more players can only nominate one and raising anyone will put me over budget! God I hate this maximum nomination rule!

 

[P-Nut]

Cruyff - Skizzo/Pat - 00:58 - 26m
van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
G. Facchetti - Enigma - 07:45- 22m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 09:15 - 17m
C. Ronaldo - P-Nut0712 - 10:46 - 21m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)

@Enigma_87

 

[Enigma_87]

Cruyff - Skizzo/Pat - 00:58 - 26m
van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
G. Facchetti - Enigma - 07:45- 22m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 09:15 - 17m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)


@P-Nut0712

 

[Invictus]

Yeah, never wanted Di Stefano despite nominating him - just hoped to start a bidding war. 4m increase in value, total success

 

[Ecstatic]

Nobody has challenged you

 

[Raees]

Cruyff - Skizzo/Pat - 00:58 - 26m
van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
G. Facchetti - Enigma - 07:45- 22m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Raees - 12.43 - 19m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)

@Skizzo

 

[Raees]

@Pat_Mustard

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Cruyff - Skizzo/Pat - 00:58 - 26m
van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
G. Facchetti - Enigma - 07:45- 22m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)

@Raees

 

[Ecstatic]

van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
G. Facchetti - Enigma - 07:45- 22m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

 

[Physiocrat]

I'm reminded of the all-time S-America versus Europe discussion we had a while back. Consensus was pretty much that you can only field one out of Di Stefano, Pelé, Maradona and Messi if you don't want to compromise the balance.

Personally I think you can get away with Pelé and Messi in the same team, since Messi can be played in a wide-ish role - and neither of them are textbook playmakers (or, even more crucially, field commanders to the extent of the other two).

The way I see it.

Potential positions:

Pele- second striker
Messi- second striker, false nine, inside right
Maradona- AM playmaker
ADS- box-to-box playmaker

As such ADS with Messi or Pele is fine. Also Maradona with Pele of Messi is fine. With all these combos you just need a quality striker like van Basten to make up the front three.

Potentially you could get three in though it's a push-

Pele-------Messi
-------ADS----------

It would work a little bit like ADS played at Real alongside Puskas

 

[harms]

Maldini + Di Stefano + Cruyff = Cabrini (and yeah, I'm not seriously comparing the reinforcement prices to the original ones)

 

[Ecstatic]

Maldini + Di Stefano + Cruyff = Cabrini (and yeah, I'm not seriously comparing the reinforcement prices to the original ones)

And Cabrini didn't bring luck to his acquirer

 

[Pat_Mustard]

And Cabrini didn't bring luck to his acquirer

Sure he did. That Cabrini/van Hanegem/Henry axis on our left side pretty much won us our game .

 

[Chesterlestreet]

As such ADS with Messi or Pele is fine. Also Maradona with Pele of Messi is fine. With all these combos you just need a quality striker like van Basten to make up the front three.

I don't know about that, to be honest. Sure, you could do it without it looking like a complete clusterfeck, but it's not a well balanced team.

They're all players you ideally want to build the team around, so something has to give. The reason why Pelé + Messi sort of works, is that you can field them both in roles that do not require a pure playmaker - and then have someone like, say, Didi pull the strings from further back. Messi's used to that sort of thing - and Pelé would handle it well too.

For my money something like:

Garrincha - Pelé - Zagallo/Rivelino

Ronaldo
​

would be more functional and likelier to be deadly in an actual match than any combo you can come up with featuring more than one member of the quartet.

Again, you could do it without it looking positively hopeless, but it wouldn't look that good either. It would be an answer to the question "how can we squeeze as many of 'em in as possible?" and not "how can we build the best possible (and more or less realistic) team featuring great S-American players?"

 

[Ecstatic]

Sure he did. That Cabrini/van Hanegem/Henry axis on our left side pretty much won us our game .

Oh! Sorry, I have confused with Nedved (team DavidG) 85 millions!

Not to be honest, Solskjaer has sealed your victory

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Oh! Sorry, I have confused with Nedved (team DavidG) 85 millions!

Not to be honest, Solskjaer has sealed your victory

Ole played his part, and now like the ultimate team player that he is he's took one for the team and picked up an injury for the next round.

 

[Invictus]

van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Enigma_87

 

[Raees]

van Basten - harms - 06:12 - 20m
Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Enigma_87

Gosh I love you Invictus. Was going to make that bid myself.

 

[Invictus]

 

[Invictus]

Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m
van Basten - Invictus - 13:54 - 22m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@harms

 

[harms]

Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
N. Santos - Chester - 07:59 - 20m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m
van Basten - harms - 13:54 - 25m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Invictus

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Want two more players can only nominate one and raising anyone will put me over budget! God I hate this maximum nomination rule!

I'll nominate a Legacy player on your behalf for the final quota.

lol

 

[P-Nut]

I don't actually need another 2 players just 2 that I want in an ideal world.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Insane for how little Cruyff and Di Stefano went....

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Next auction, we really should have tiers. Players in List A should have minimum of $50m (GOATs, all Balon d'or 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners), players in List B minimum of $30 and so forth...

 

[P-Nut]

Next auction, we really should have tiers. Players in List A should have minimum of $50m (GOATs, all Balon d'or 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners), players in List B minimum of $30 and so forth...

It's is quite interesting seeing players go for cheap though. All about supply and demand

 

[Enigma_87]

Gosh I love you Invictus. Was going to make that bid myself.

Not a biggie for me, to be honest. I have a lot of options for left and right.

 

[Ecstatic]

Insane for how little Cruyff and Di Stefano went....

The majority of the managers have already a #10 and built a team around him.

It's not an easy task to bring together two #10 in the starting 11!

It's is quite interesting seeing players go for cheap though. All about supply and demand

Also my opinion

 

[Enigma_87]

Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 10:50 - 24m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m
van Basten - harms - 13:54 - 25m
N. Santos - Enigma - 14:52 - 22m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Chesterlestreet

 

[Raees]

@Enigma_87 .. you're definitely not short of options but that defence of yours is on the verge of being ridiculously invincible.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

The majority of the managers have already a #10 and built a team around him.

It's not an easy task to bring together two #10 in the starting 11!

Not important in this case, id agree with you if we are speaking about the likes of Keane, Falcao, Desailly but we are speaking about top 5 players of all time, feck both can make a strong case for top 3 even. No matter who you have in your squad, you dont turn down those types for so cheap. If there weren't for Pogba, Di Stefano would be the cheapest player out there!

 

[Chesterlestreet]

That was predictable.

Now, who to nominate...

Oh, I know - nobody. Not until all the cows have come home.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

All about supply and demand

Football doesn't work that way. You rarely see top players taking a pay cut to join a team in their prime.

 

[Enigma_87]

@Enigma_87 .. you're definitely not short of options but that defence of yours is on the verge of being ridiculously invincible.

Well had to strengthen it as losing Davids and Rivaldo was tough.

That was predictable.

Now, who to nominate...

Oh, I know - nobody. Not until all the cows have come home.

I thought Invictus would outbid you on N.Santos to save 2m I rate them around the same level.

 

[harms]

Next auction, we really should have tiers. Players in List A should have minimum of $50m (GOATs, all Balon d'or 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners), players in List B minimum of $30 and so forth...

That's a great idea

 

[Raees]

Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m
van Basten - harms - 13:54 - 25m
N. Santos - Enigma - 14:52 - 22m
C. Ronaldo - Raees - 15:07 - 26m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Enigma_87

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Football doesn't work that way. You rarely see top players taking a pay cut to join a team in their prime.

What you could say is that in an auction draft, picking up GOATs for peanuts can potentially make too much of a difference - i.e. you gain a disproportionate advantage by it (and it usually isn't a matter of being clever, or spending well, it's down to what other people do more than anything).

So, as a counter measure against the above, it does make sense to have a (high) minimum starting bid for GOATs.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I thought Invictus would outbid you on N.Santos to save 2m I rate them around the same level.

Doesn't matter to me, he was no priority pick of mine. I just don't want to get stuck in a position where I have to buy a third man who is neither an upgrade nor a necessity.

 

[Enigma_87]

Hierro - P-Nut0712 - 06:39 - 14m
Romario - Downcast - 08:58 - 23m
Passarella - Skizzo/Pat - 12.47 - 21m
G. Facchetti - Invictus - 13:47- 24m
van Basten - harms - 13:54 - 25m
N. Santos - Enigma - 14:52 - 22m
C. Ronaldo - Enigma - 15:15 - 28m

Confirmed:

Raees: 1) Desailly (30m)
P-Nut: 1) Keane (25m) 2) Pogba (10m)
Chester: 1) G. Muller (25m) 2) Falcão (25m)
Downcast: 1) Matthäus (37m)
harms: 1) Maldini (30m)
Invictus: 1) Di Stefano (24m)
Skizzo/Pat: 1) Cruyff (26m)

@Raees

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Next auction, we really should have tiers. Players in List A should have minimum of $50m (GOATs, all Balon d'or 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners), players in List B minimum of $30 and so forth...

Let the invisible hand of the market and the muppetry of the managers thrash it all out. That's the fun part about auctions. I don't like the idea of fixed tiers anyway, as it pretty much kills any impetus to reassess the relative merits of players.