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Flautist in training
Said that probably because subconsciously was scared if he said silver lining that Klopp would lose that too..“Rawk” said:Thank you for that. Hurts like a bitch but the future has a golden sky.
Said that probably because subconsciously was scared if he said silver lining that Klopp would lose that too..“Rawk” said:Thank you for that. Hurts like a bitch but the future has a golden sky.
Cheers man! He's been endlessly debating with me which bicycle kick was better: Ronaldo's or Bale's.You are doing a hell of a job raising that kid!
Then maybe they should not be playing at the level they are? This is par for the course when you are an elite level athlete.I can’t stand Klopp and I can’t stand Liverpool. That has nothing to do with it. I just tend to feel for people in extreme psychological situations, because I know from my own experience how that can feel and how easily great psychological stress can be triggered.
Karius's goal was best: automatic ball return in a 'Pool game.He's been endlessly debating with me which bicycle kick was better: Ronaldo's or Bale's.
Nah, they think he injured Salah on purpose though.Are people actually claiming Ramos injured Sarah on purpose?
Even if you're a Liverpool fan that's a somewhat massive stretch. The guy sprained his shoulder after locking his own arm into an opponent.
I am not sure about that. A lot of people from older generations will tell you how this bitterness and hatred towards rivals is much more intense nowadays. Sir Alex used to talk about a picture from long ago that showed rival fans watching a game like it was a play. The point being how there was a time where the sheer venom we see nowadays among rival fans was so much less relevant. There are also those who will tell you the phenomena of celebrating your rivals' failures is a new generation thing intensified even more in the age of Sky and later on social media.Is it getting a bit too much for anyone else as well?? Last night people were all over Ramos for supposedly intentionally injuring Salah. Now I dislike Ramos as much as the next guy but why are Utd fans crying foul over Pool's chances of winning the CL being reduced?
Similarly earlier in the season when De Bruyne got injured against Palace, people were up in arms when a few said they hoped he was out for a long time. I don't get this uproar. An opponent's influential player being out is good for us. It's not like our wishing them well or bad has any actual effect. No one is hoping that someone gets any permanent damage or anything, but this sympathy for opponents is really a bit grating.
Call me old fashioned or bitter or whatever but I'd take Utd winning and our rivals not winning any way possible.
I got no problem appreciating an opponent when they have done great ( well except for Pool) but all this display of sportsmanship and sympathy when the competition is going on is a bit weird. We are fans afterall, not diplomats.
The rivalries today are much more intense if you compare from 50-60 years ago, probably even a bit later than that. But in the last couple of years there has come this wave of political correctness that is biting away at the tribalism that makes football fun. I don't know about other football forums because I'm only on this one, but living in Spain currently I can tell you there isn't a chance in hell that any Barca fan would have been even contemplating feeling sorry for Navas if he made a howler or for Ronaldo if he came off injured.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about that. A lot of people from older generations will tell you how this bitterness and hatred towards rivals is much more intense nowadays. Sir Alex used to talk about a picture from long ago that showed rival fans watching a game like it was a play. The point being how there was a time where the sheer venom we see nowadays among rival fans was so much less relevant. There are also those who will tell you the phenomena of celebrating your rivals' failures is a new generation thing intensified even more in the age of Sky and later on social media.
As for your general point, feeling sorry for Karius is a bit over the top. The man made a mistake in a football game, nothing more there. But to condemn Ramos and feel for Salah is entirely different. Sportsmanship and a sense of justice if above everything, yes even silly footballing tribal matters.
Autocorrect is a bitch. Not sure how anyone watches that and concludes Ramos is to blame.Nah, they think he injured Salah on purpose though.
I couldn't agree more that social media has played a large part in the heightening of football rivalries worldwide. But...I am not sure about that. A lot of people from older generations will tell you how this bitterness and hatred towards rivals is much more intense nowadays. Sir Alex used to talk about a picture from long ago that showed rival fans watching a game like it was a play. The point being how there was a time where the sheer venom we see nowadays among rival fans was so much less relevant. There are also those who will tell you the phenomena of celebrating your rivals' failures is a new generation thing intensified even more in the age of Sky and later on social media.
As for your general point, feeling sorry for Karius is a bit over the top. The man made a mistake in a football game, nothing more there. But to condemn Ramos and feel for Salah is entirely different. Sportsmanship and a sense of justice if above everything, yes even silly footballing tribal matters.
The coming together of arms during a tussle for the ball is a common occurence. Although there is little doubt that Ramos fully intended to drag Salah to the ground, there is no way he could have predicted an injury would occur or intended that to be the outcome.Autocorrect is a bitch. Not sure how anyone watches that and concludes Ramos is to blame.
Like Ramos doesn't give you enough legitimate reasons to think he's a cnut during the course of a game.
The outrage is fecking ridiculous. The sort of shit you see week in, week out in football around the world. He was just he unfortunate in how he landed. Nothing more to it.Autocorrect is a bitch. Not sure how anyone watches that and concludes Ramos is to blame.
Like Ramos doesn't give you enough legitimate reasons to think he's a cnut during the course of a game.
And maybe this is the disconnect for me, because I don't see what tribalism has to do with my enjoyment of football as a sport.The rivalries today are much more intense if you compare from 50-60 years ago, probably even a bit later than that. But in the last couple of years there has come this wave of political correctness that is biting away at the tribalism that makes football fun. I don't know about other football forums because I'm only on this one, but living in Spain currently I can tell you there isn't a chance in hell that any Barca fan would have been even contemplating feeling sorry for Navas if he made a howler or for Ronaldo if he came off injured.
Well fair enough mate. To each his own. As long as you don't preach that everyone should be like that I don't see how anyone can have a problem with that.And maybe this is the disconnect for me, because I don't see what tribalism has to do with my enjoyment of football as a sport.
Don't you have those Liverpool supporting mates who bend over backwards to rub your nose in it when United lose?And maybe this is the disconnect for me, because I don't see what tribalism has to do with my enjoyment of football as a sport.
I don't and that's probably the problem I've not seen a self-identifying Liverpool fan since I visited the UK 2 years ago.Don't you have those Liverpool supporting mates who bend over backwards to rub your nose in it when United lose?
Live and let live is the motto.Well fair enough mate. To each his own. As long as you don't preach that everyone should be like that I don't see how anyone can have a problem with that.
[/QUOTE]The rivalries today are much more intense if you compare from 50-60 years ago, probably even a bit later than that. But in the last couple of years there has come this wave of political correctness that is biting away at the tribalism that makes football fun. I don't know about other football forums because I'm only on this one, but living in Spain currently I can tell you there isn't a chance in hell that any Barca fan would have been even contemplating feeling sorry for Navas if he made a howler or for Ronaldo if he came off injured.
Relief? no. Of course, I did not want Liverpool to win but it was not with the same intensity as their league run in 2014. I am not sure why. Maybe because I was younger back then or it may have something to do with the fact that I was in regular contact with a couple of Liverpool fans who were absolutely insufferable. Another factor was that I felt the whole circus around them ending their long PL drought nauseating, it was like they were entitled to it or something. Or of course it might have to do with the fact that Rogers, Suarez and Gerrard are considerably more distasteful characters than Klopp, Salah and co. I am not sure why but this occasion did not carry the same level of bitterness as their league run.I couldn't agree more that social media has played a large part in the heightening of football rivalries worldwide. But...
Did you not feel the slightest bit relieved when Salah left the field? At the stage of the game Liverpool had their tails up and were largely dominating precedings, had he not left the pitch God knows how the game would have turned out.
Salah seemed to be the one who locked his arm in, probably intending to draw a foul or at least make the ref think there was one. If there was any blame to place (and I don't think there was) it was with him.The coming together of arms during a tussle for the ball is a common occurence. Although there is little doubt that Ramos fully intended to drag Salah to the ground, there is no way he could have predicted an injury would occur or intended that to be the outcome.
That season we had Moyes and were getting pelters all season. Liverpool stuffed us in OT and thought they were going to win the league, so to see them slip up was beautiful.Relief? no. Of course, I did not want Liverpool to win but it was not with the same intensity as their league run in 2014. I am not sure why. Maybe because I was younger back then or it may have something to do with the fact that I was in regular contact with a couple of Liverpool fans who were absolutely insufferable. Another factor was that I felt the whole circus around them ending their long PL drought nauseating, it was like they were entitled to it or something. Or of course it might have to do with the fact that Rogers, Suarez and Gerrard are considerably more distasteful characters than Klopp, Salah and co. I am not sure why but this occasion did not carry the same level of bitterness as their league run.
That's a fair point. Maybe the shock of us being so bad was still more difficult to adjust to that celebrating a rival's failure gave a much needed doze of pain relief.That season we had Moyes and were getting pelters all season. Liverpool stuffed us in OT and thought they were going to win the league, so to see them slip up was beautiful.
I was absolutely convinced they had the title in the bag until this historic moment...Relief? no. Of course, I did not want Liverpool to win but it was not with the same intensity as their league run in 2014. I am not sure why. Maybe because I was younger back then or it may have something to do with the fact that I was in regular contact with a couple of Liverpool fans who were absolutely insufferable. Another factor was that I felt the whole circus around them ending their long PL drought nauseating, it was like they were entitled to it or something. Or of course it might have to do with the fact that Rogers, Suarez and Gerrard are considerably more distasteful characters than Klopp, Salah and co. I am not sure why but this occasion did not carry the same level of bitterness as their league run.
It's a great feeling, I must say.The word and emotion your are all looking for is ''Schadenfreude'', and theres nothing wrong with that.