He hasn't had a lot of influence on club policy until Woody stepped down after the super league fiasco. I am willing to believe in him because he seems to be doing the right things. Let's judge at the end of next season.His start date is moving back every time someone posts, he was made football director in March 2021 and every indication was he led the appointment of Rangnick for one thing but now he apparently took over only 13 months later? In 3 years time people will be saying we can't judge him yet because he's only new to the role.
Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Murtough a chance and I do really like the Ten Hag appointment and hopefully we have a decent summer but I just don't like the fact that the goalposts are already being moved with him. The Rangnick appointment was a mistake and it's OK to look at Murtough for that one but if it's one of the few major feck-ups that he makes in the next few years then that will be a massive improvement on the last 9 years.He hasn't had a lot of influence on club policy until Woody stepped down after the super league fiasco. I am willing to believe in him because he seems to be doing the right things. Let's judge at the end of next season.
Rangnick's appointment was definitely his doing and that was a spectacular failure.
My understanding was that this thread is about him taking over as Chief exec, thus being able to stamp his authority on how United are run etc - not how long he's been at United in various roles. Yes, he had he some power as football director but it was woodward he called the final shots / sacked people etc. He's done a lot in the few months he's been in charge as chief exec imoHis start date is moving back every time someone posts, he was made football director in March 2021 and every indication was he led the appointment of Rangnick for one thing but now he apparently took over only 13 months later? In 3 years time people will be saying we can't judge him yet because he's only new to the role.
He's not the chief executive now, that's Richard Arnold's role. His role hasn't changed since last March.My understanding was that this thread is about him taking over as Chief exec, thus being able to stamp his authority on how United are run etc - not how long he's been at United in various roles. Yes, he had he some power as football director but it was woodward he called the final shots / sacked people etc. He's done a lot in the few months he's been in charge as chief exec imo
Realising Rangnick was a failure and cutting ties at the first opportunity is the literal opposite of dilly dallying, if Chelsea did this we’d be bemoaning our inaction and how they act so much more decisively. That would have been keeping him around in a consultancy role when he already lost all credibility he came to the club with due to his own shoddy performance.I can't tell if he is utterly clueless or on a major power trip? Or both? I'm leaning towards him being well out of his depth.
What was the point of Rangnick? Did the club knowingly lie to him about his eventual role? Why was this season sacrificed? Why did we miss out on Conte?
This doesn't reflect well on the club at all. It reeks of Woodward's antics. Indecision and dilly-dallying followed by frantic looking for solutions and ending up with a mess.
I was referring to Solskjaer's sacking. He should have been sacked immediately after the Liverpool game. But he wasn't. Instead he was sacked immediately after the break giving no time for his replacement to settle in. And in all that time no one else was considered for some bullshit reason Murtough cited. Missed out on Conte for another bullshit reason, then scrambled to find a replacement.Realising Rangnick was a failure and cutting ties at the first opportunity is the literal opposite of dilly dallying, if Chelsea did this we’d be bemoaning our inaction and how they act so much more decisively. That would have been keeping him around in a consultancy role when he already lost all credibility he came to the club with due to his own shoddy performance.
Bringing Ralf in was undoubtedly a poor call by Murtough, but at the time it made sense. It didn’t work, and now we’ve accepted that and moved on.
exactly.We need a proper head of recruitment guy. Was hoping it would be either Rangnick or Mitchell.
Just dont have enough faith in the Murtough/Fletcher duo.
I still wonder who has final say on transfers in this club. It sure aint the managers.
Top 4 chances at that point we’re far from slim. Spurs were worse than us as were Arsenal as evidenced by us battering both in the last days of Ole and the Carrick games. Conte rightly was never an option.I was referring to Solskjaer's sacking. He should have been sacked immediately after the Liverpool game. But he wasn't. Instead he was sacked immediately after the break giving no time for his replacement to settle in. And in all that time no one else was considered for some bullshit reason Murtough cited. Missed out on Conte for another bullshit reason, then scrambled to find a replacement.
What was the point of hiring Rangnick if he is not going to be listened to? I mean even I could have told you his chances of reaching 4th place were slim. His coaching tenure, the squad not fitting his style, etc. But the assumption was that didn't matter because we were looking at the bigger picture. Now Rangnick is gone.
Bizzare.
Your gimmick has been “clueless on the internet” for well over a decade, so you not get bored? Technique can’t be improved upon, Nathan Delfunesuo is the best player in the league, left footed players shouldn’t take penalties, it’s all just very boring.Jon Murtough is never at fault on anything. It's Woodward, the Glazers, Ole, Ralf, Arnold, the tea lady, Covid, the war in Ukraine or the horsemen of the apocalypse. The guy has built the women's team and although Casey Stoney left because the organization of that was shambles he became a legend because of it.
Speaking of being clueless I never said that Nathan whatsoever is the best player in the league. Regarding the left footed player thing its on @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber and not me. Also were have I said that we didn't sign Mbappe because of Murtough and Fletcher?Top 4 chances at that point we’re far from slim. Spurs were worse than us as were Arsenal as evidenced by us battering both in the last days of Ole and the Carrick games. Conte rightly was never an option.
Rangnick was hired as some would be messiah, turns out he was absolutely clueless and lost all credibility. Ralf only has himself to blame for the club wanting to cut ties.
Your gimmick has been “clueless on the internet” for well over a decade, so you not get bored? Technique can’t be improved upon, Nathan Delfunesuo is the best player in the league, left footed players shouldn’t take penalties, it’s all just very boring.
The situation with Stoney was very unfortunate, rushing a change that was planned because of English covid rules. We didn’t speed up as we should and that’s absolutely on Murtough and the club.
But hey, I’m sure you’ll pop up in a thread on Mbappe and claim the reason he isn’t at United is that Murtough and Fletcher, (Fergie’s son, that’s another of yours) have roles.
which surely reflects poorly on whoever hired him, right? Why hire someone who has been a part-time manager for the last 10 years, who has no connections to the club, who has never managed a team in the EPL and who doesn't really fit to the profile of the players.Rangnick was hired as some would be messiah, turns out he was absolutely clueless and lost all credibility. Ralf only has himself to blame for the club wanting to cut ties.
I entirely agree that Ralf failing that badly reflects awfully on both him and the person who hired him. There was an assumption X would be his worst possible level and he was significantly worse than that. I’ll admit I bought into the Ralf talk and laying groundwork at the time, but it was a total failure and realistically, we’ve made the right call going our separate ways when we have.which surely reflects poorly on whoever hired him, right? Why hire someone who has been a part-time manager for the last 10 years, who has no connections to the club, who has never managed a team in the EPL and who doesn't really fit to the profile of the players.
If anything Rangnick was sacked way too late. I guess appointing another care-taker would have looked really bad for whoever is making the decisions.
You made a very valid point. However there's another point that is often overlooked. Our team was built on a low block and counter attacking football. It also lacks workrate, something that was pretty obvious for a long long time. That's what Mourinho and Ole has built. Which makes you wonder, why on earth did we go for a manager who play a high line and gegenpressing? That's a style which is completely set on our weaknesses. So we brought a manager who had never managed a top club, whose been out of football management for quite some time, who had never managed in England and whose coming during mid season, with little time to bring his own men, implement his game and with no chance of buying new players. That's the perfect example of us setting the guy to fail.which surely reflects poorly on whoever hired him, right? Why hire someone who has been a part-time manager for the last 10 years, who has no connections to the club, who has never managed a team in the EPL and who doesn't really fit to the profile of the players.
If anything Rangnick was sacked way too late. I guess appointing another care-taker would have looked really bad for whoever is making the decisions.
I don't think it's true to say that the squad was built to play a low block and counterattack football under Ole. At least, that wasn't for the most part how they actually tried to play. But I think you have a valid point in the squad being badly matched to the sort of football Rangnick wanted to play.You made a very valid point. However there's another point that is often overlooked. Our team was built on a low block and counter attacking football. It also lacks workrate, something that was pretty obvious for a long long time. That's what Mourinho and Ole has built. Which makes you wonder, why on earth did we go for a manager who play a high line and gegenpressing? That's a style which is completely set on our weaknesses. So we brought a manager who had never managed a top club, whose been out of football management for quite some time, who had never managed in England and whose coming during mid season, with little time to bring his own men, implement his game and with no chance of buying new players. That's the perfect example of us setting the guy to fail.
Which reminds me of what was going on throughout all the past years were we replace the manager with someone whose got a completely different style thus making his entire squad redundant. Which then makes you wonder. Is Murtough truly a change or is he yet another of Woodward's many poor appointees? The guy had never been a DOF, he was promoted by Woodward and he had the guy's ear. What makes us think that he wasn't central in Woodward's decision making as well?
Its not either. No one where has ever said left footers shouldn't take penalties. That's all in your headsSpeaking of being clueless I never said that Nathan whatsoever is the best player in the league. Regarding the left footed player thing its on @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber ....
I think it was within the lines of left footer footballers are better penalty kickers right?Its not either. No one where has ever said left footers shouldn't take penalties. That's all in your heads
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In the past the recruitment of management and players has been awful. I am not sure there was any noticeable strategy at all. The managerial appointments were pretty random and unfortunately that continued with Rangnick. I think the caf speculated so much about his future involvement, because it didn't make any sense to appoint him "just" as emergency caretaker.You made a very valid point. However there's another point that is often overlooked. Our team was built on a low block and counter attacking football. It also lacks workrate, something that was pretty obvious for a long long time. That's what Mourinho and Ole has built. Which makes you wonder, why on earth did we go for a manager who play a high line and gegenpressing? That's a style which is completely set on our weaknesses. So we brought a manager who had never managed a top club, whose been out of football management for quite some time, who had never managed in England and whose coming during mid season, with little time to bring his own men, implement his game and with no chance of buying new players. That's the perfect example of us setting the guy to fail.
Which reminds me of what was going on throughout all the past years were we replace the manager with someone whose got a completely different style thus making his entire squad redundant. Which then makes you wonder. Is Murtough truly a change or is he yet another of Woodward's many poor appointees? The guy had never been a DOF, he was promoted by Woodward and he had the guy's ear. What makes us think that he wasn't central in Woodward's decision making as well?
Not that eitherI think it was within the lines of left footer footballers are better penalty kickers right?
I guess there’s a distinct possibility Murtough planned to use Ralf as a consultant - from everything we see on their relationship it’s been good and he holds Ralf in very high regard. However, if ETH hd no interest in Ralf being there, I’m seeing it as a good sign that we’ve just severed ties & also gives ETH an easy introduction to the squad as the guy who got Ragnick off their backs.He hasn't had a lot of influence on club policy until Woody stepped down after the super league fiasco. I am willing to believe in him because he seems to be doing the right things. Let's judge at the end of next season.
Rangnick's appointment was definitely his doing and that was a spectacular failure.
As you said our managerial appointments were terrible. In my opinion there's two reasons for that. First of all we went for managers whose best years were behind. Prior to us signing them LVG, Mou, Ole and even Moyes had seen better days. Secondly and most importantly we switched from one style of game to a completely different style of game. That means that players who might have been valid for one manager became redundant to the next manager. TBH that didn't happen during Ole during his first years. He kept Mou's counterattacking football and his first signings reflected that. Then we switched systems last season and everything went to hell.In the past the recruitment of management and players has been awful. I am not sure there was any noticeable strategy at all. The managerial appointments were pretty random and unfortunately that continued with Rangnick. I think the caf speculated so much about his future involvement, because it didn't make any sense to appoint him "just" as emergency caretaker.
In general, nobody really seems to be certain about, who is making decisions. That makes dodging responsibility really easy.
The optimistic view is, that there seems to be an effort to change some of the personal in the upper echelons. I don't know if Arnold or Murtough are leading this, but its a promising step. The way I see it is, that it has to work and there has to be drastic and immediate improvement. Non of these people have much credit in the bank. At best they have almost no track-record in this capacity and at worst, they were involved in the previous 9 years of failure.
I don't really know ETH, but he is imo the first promising managerial appointment in the post SAF era. If Arnold/Murtough believe that he is the right manager, they have to ensure that he gets all the tools he needs to improve the team. If they think, that the same group of players can turn it around, they'll have to accept the consequences if this strategy fails. This can't be the start of another never-ending rebuilding process, where the club takes one step forward and two steps back.
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If that's all the info you can handle then sure.So our football experts at board level is basically made up of a guy whose greatest achievement was managing Liverpool fitness team, the guy who built our woman's team and the other guy who managed at youth level like for 10 minutes.
