The Make A Fecking Sub Ole Thread

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Matic for McTominay would make sense since it's obvious we need more quality on the ball to keep possession. Also VDB for Bruno. He was very lucky not to get a red.
Yes and no. Scott had flaws but now it's obvious they are working on him. They have fixed 2 things with Scott in the last months:
- His ability to keep the shape in defensive phases. He doesn't seem to be good enough to split the CBs and push up the full backs, he doesn't time that, he also doesn't seem to intuitively get into the space in between the first 2 opposition lines to give passing options. However, they have fixed it by asking him to slot in on the right side instead of splitting the CBs, so Lindelof is now the central player with that role. That allows Maguire and Scott to push up the full backs to keep a 3 players shape during the defensive / transition phases to attack in defense and in the midfield line right in front of them.
- He doesn't do forward passes. But the crazy thing is that he is able to, as shown by how he was doing in some games last season when the coaching staff reminded him of this duty. This Saturday, Scott has done some phenomenal forward passes to Rashford capturing his runs and finding him, I think he also did a nice cross to Martial etc... this is starting to work out.

A long way to go but he has also fantastic physical attributes and supreme mental strength. We might have a player there, someone who would help us succeed. I would wait and see but I am very pleased with the progress the staff is making with him, it's obvious we are deliberately training him.

For VdB, I wonder. He is a 10, but his best attribute is to make runs behind the lines, so someone like Bruno or Pogba has to find him. Which makes me think that maybe it's best to use him in the Mata's position to drift centrally and offer options. And use Pogba as the 10? But you're right, he's supposed to be the 10 so maybe we rest Bruno in a like for like sub there to keep the squad fresh.

I would observe the league in the next games. It is obvious that City, Liverpool, Spurs, and even Arsenal are all hyper exhausted and injuries are going to hit them, or at least make their team sluggish. Only Chelsea seems to be able to provide intensity but hopefully they still make defensive mistakes. If that's the case, us not over using VdB, Pogba, Cavani and Telles could prove extraordinary for us in term of points and fitness. And then, 2nd half of the season, we are over performing as shown by the last 2 seasons. We don't get too far away from the top until Dec and we could be surprising many many people. I would trust Ole on that one.
 
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Yes and no. Scott had flaws but now it's obvious they are working on him. They have fixed 2 things with Scott in the last months:
- His ability to keep the shape in defensive phases. He doesn't seem to be good enough to split the CBs and push up the full backs, he doesn't time that, he also doesn't seem to intuitively get into the space in between the first 2 opposition lines to give passing options. However, they have fixed it by asking him to slot in on the right side instead of splitting the CBs, so Lindelof is now the central player with that role. That allows Maguire and Scott to push up the full backs to keep a 3 players shape during the defensive / transition phases to attack in defense and in the midfield line right in front of them.
- He doesn't do forward passes. But the crazy thing is that he is able to, as shown by how he was doing in some games last season when the coaching staff reminded him of this duty. This Saturday, Scott has done some phenomenal forward passes to Rashford capturing his runs and finding him, I think he also did a nice cross to Martial etc... this is starting to work out.

A long way to go but he has also fantastic physical attributes and supreme mental strength. We might have a player there, someone who would help us succeed. I would wait and see but I am very pleased with the progress the staff is making with him, it's obvious we are deliberately training him.

For VdB, I wonder. He is a 10, but his best attribute is to make runs behind the lines, so someone like Bruno or Pogba has to find him. Which makes me think that maybe it's best to use him in the Mata's position to drift centrally and offer options. And use Pogba as the 10? But you're right, he's supposed to be the 10 so maybe we rest Bruno in a like for like sub there to keep the squad fresh.

I would observe the league in the next games. It is obvious that City, Liverpool, Spurs, and even Arsenal are all hyper exhausted and injuries are going to hit them, or at least make their team sluggish. Only Chelsea seems to be able to provide intensity but hopefully they still make defensive mistakes. If that's the case, us not over using VdB, Pogba, Cavani and Telles could prove extraordinary for us in term of points and fitness. And then, 2nd half of the season, we are over performing as shown by the last 2 seasons. We don't get too far away from the top until Dec and we could be surprising many many people. I would trust Ole on that one.
Well thought post.

I don't think VDB's best attribute is making runs behind the lines. I think his best is playing around the defensive lines with nitpicking quick short passes and teamplay in compact spaces. So basically he's very useful if we want to break low blocks, but we're obsess with putting more and more crosses plus shootings from distances in recent games I've noticed instead of trying too much of bringing the ball into the box with quick exchange of passes. It sort of working. So that leaves VDB is not really suitable. Personally I don't think he's a playmaker, he doesn't really play like one, but rather more like the player that keeps on circling/moving the ball around like clockwork all the time ticking.

Other than that, agree with everything else. Your views on Scott is also interesting and rare.
 

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Yes and no. Scott had flaws but now it's obvious they are working on him. They have fixed 2 things with Scott in the last months:
- His ability to keep the shape in defensive phases. He doesn't seem to be good enough to split the CBs and push up the full backs, he doesn't time that, he also doesn't seem to intuitively get into the space in between the first 2 opposition lines to give passing options. However, they have fixed it by asking him to slot in on the right side instead of splitting the CBs, so Lindelof is now the central player with that role. That allows Maguire and Scott to push up the full backs to keep a 3 players shape during the defensive / transition phases to attack in defense and in the midfield line right in front of them.
- He doesn't do forward passes. But the crazy thing is that he is able to, as shown by how he was doing in some games last season when the coaching staff reminded him of this duty. This Saturday, Scott has done some phenomenal forward passes to Rashford capturing his runs and finding him, I think he also did a nice cross to Martial etc... this is starting to work out.

A long way to go but he has also fantastic physical attributes and supreme mental strength. We might have a player there, someone who would help us succeed. I would wait and see but I am very pleased with the progress the staff is making with him, it's obvious we are deliberately training him.

For VdB, I wonder. He is a 10, but his best attribute is to make runs behind the lines, so someone like Bruno or Pogba has to find him. Which makes me think that maybe it's best to use him in the Mata's position to drift centrally and offer options. And use Pogba as the 10? But you're right, he's supposed to be the 10 so maybe we rest Bruno in a like for like sub there to keep the squad fresh.

I would observe the league in the next games. It is obvious that City, Liverpool, Spurs, and even Arsenal are all hyper exhausted and injuries are going to hit them, or at least make their team sluggish. Only Chelsea seems to be able to provide intensity but hopefully they still make defensive mistakes. If that's the case, us not over using VdB, Pogba, Cavani and Telles could prove extraordinary for us in term of points and fitness. And then, 2nd half of the season, we are over performing as shown by the last 2 seasons. We don't get too far away from the top until Dec and we could be surprising many many people. I would trust Ole on that one.
Very Good post. I didn't realise these changes with McT recently. And probably because I believed in the Everton game, Fred played at the base of diamond. But maybe I am wrong. I will watch the highlights again.
Very good analysis by the way
 

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Before the subs we were having trouble getting the ball out of our half. We were misplacing passes and losing the ball in dangerous areas. Yes, there were not any great opportunities but the pressure was building.

I guess by your logic since they did not have any shots on goal we didn't even need to bring on Pogba and Cavani. Sure.
To win the game? No we probably didn't.

Nice that they did come on but we were hardly crying out for them.