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I don’t for a moment think he is lying. But I I was him I wouldn’t be blaming the push. Maybe he is just ill?
 

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I don’t for a moment think he is lying. But I I was him I wouldn’t be blaming the push. Maybe he is just ill?
Like I said, he came flying out of his sandals. That was a hard ass push. Like something out of Mortal Kombat.
 

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Pretty mediocre card overall tonight so outside of the main event this is the fight I am most looking forward to. Always exciting to see new potential HW talent.
 

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I turned on the Paul/Askren thing. Currently Frank Mir is boxing someone while Oscar De La Hoya is on commentary and coked out of his brain.
 

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Ben Askren got knocked out in the first round by Jake Paul...
 

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Damn, that was impressive.

Also, Whittaker might be too nice considering he beats people up for a living
 
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Just saw the "fight" on YouTube.

Ben Askren had the physique of my wife when she was 6 months pregnant.

The man is a joke. Despite being an Olympian and MMA champion, his legacy will be this KO and when Masvidal fed him the MGM Grand Buffet.

Hopefully the money was worth a lifetime as a meme.

Glad Bobby Knuckles won! Love him.
 

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Surely a few years training won’t turn a shit boxer into a good boxer? Akrem was a wrestler who trained in MMA but is there any reason this means he will end up better than someone who has more of the natural attributes needed to be boxer? Surely he only ever used striking as a means to setting up a takedown. Which is completely different to actually trying to out-box an opponent.

I mean, you could take an elite rugby player and train him for years in how to play football and he may never end up any better than a half decent amateur.
 

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Surely a few years training won’t turn a shit boxer into a good boxer? Akrem was a wrestler who trained in MMA but is there any reason this means he will end up better than someone who has more of the natural attributes needed to be boxer? Surely he only ever used striking as a means to setting up a takedown. Which is completely different to actually trying to out-box an opponent.

I mean, you could take an elite rugby player and train him for years in how to play football and he may never end up any better than a half decent amateur.
And that was extremely limited, just watched the Askren vs Maia highlights as I remember his striking being hilariously bad in that and the top comment is "Ben fights like he's In the dark and being pepper sprayed." which gave me a laugh. It was honestly the absolute best match up Jake Paul could've asked for to get a real fighter that he could still look good against. Sooner or later Paul will bite off more than he can chew as there aren't many fighters with the profile he's looking for as an opponent that are also so limited in their striking.
 

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And that was extremely limited, just watched the Askren vs Maia highlights as I remember his striking being hilariously bad in that and the top comment is "Ben fights like he's In the dark and being pepper sprayed." which gave me a laugh. It was honestly the absolute best match up Jake Paul could've asked for to get a real fighter that he could still look good against. Sooner or later Paul will bite off more than he can chew as there aren't many fighters with the profile he's looking for as an opponent that are also so limited in their striking.
I think he'll call for Dillon Dannis next.
 

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I think he'll call for Dillon Dannis next.
Yeah, seems like he was one of the options before Askren got confirmed seeing the bullshit they pulled with him on Schaubs Food Truck interview. He certainly fits the bill of being willing to take part in the "promo" and not known for his striking, plus I think he'd be quite a bit smaller than Paul too.
 

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Well looks like this is my main sport to watch now. :(
At least it’s a worthy sport.
 

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Surely a few years training won’t turn a shit boxer into a good boxer? Akrem was a wrestler who trained in MMA but is there any reason this means he will end up better than someone who has more of the natural attributes needed to be boxer? Surely he only ever used striking as a means to setting up a takedown. Which is completely different to actually trying to out-box an opponent.

I mean, you could take an elite rugby player and train him for years in how to play football and he may never end up any better than a half decent amateur.
Exactly. Ben was never a good striker in MMA anyway. He used his skills on the mat to win matches.

Heck, for that matter, he wasn’t a great pure wrestler either. He was great in wrestling because of his mind’s ability to think ahead of his opponents and that leading to his uncanny ability to scramble out of bad situations on the mat.
 

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Glad I didn't watch live. What a farce. Seriously, any event with Snoop Dog as the pundit should be avoided.
 

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Kamaru Usman is teasing retiring after beating Masvidal:

“Being a realist, and I’m honest with myself, and I know that I can’t do this forever, and I don’t want to do this forever,” Usman said, per Clyde Aidoo of MMA News. “Like I said, we’re on a track right now, and I’m just so far ahead of these guys that I’m coming back around and I’m lapping them now.”

Dana White had promised Covington a rematch and Usman doesn't seem keen to be fighting the same people again.

It's worth noting that he's 34 and has had multiple knee issues. If he does "retire" here, he's wasting the last 2 years of his prime. He isn't GSP, Cruz etc. He isn't going to come back a few years from now and win the championship again.

In any case, who has Usman winning on Sunday, and who thinks Masvidal has a good chance?
 

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This is a rematch. An undeserved one at that
It is, and Usman rationalised it by saying that he's granting this one because he doesn't want excuses (Masvidal had been chalking off the previous loss due to not having a full camp).

I agree that it isn't deserved and I think the only reason Kamaru chose Masvidal here is because it's the biggest money fight with the least risk. Nothing about the first fight suggested that Masvidal deserves a rematch.
 

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Kamaru Usman is teasing retiring after beating Masvidal:

“Being a realist, and I’m honest with myself, and I know that I can’t do this forever, and I don’t want to do this forever,” Usman said, per Clyde Aidoo of MMA News. “Like I said, we’re on a track right now, and I’m just so far ahead of these guys that I’m coming back around and I’m lapping them now.”

Dana White had promised Covington a rematch and Usman doesn't seem keen to be fighting the same people again.

It's worth noting that he's 34 and has had multiple knee issues. If he does "retire" here, he's wasting the last 2 years of his prime. He isn't GSP, Cruz etc. He isn't going to come back a few years from now and win the championship again.

In any case, who has Usman winning on Sunday, and who thinks Masvidal has a good chance?
I think Masvidal has a great chance of winning. The excuses of taking fight 1 on short notice during COVID are pretty legit, as no fighter would've been able to beat a reigning champ under those conditions.
 

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I think Masvidal has a great chance of winning. The excuses of taking fight 1 on short notice during COVID are pretty legit, as no fighter would've been able to beat a reigning champ under those conditions.
It remains to be seen. I think Usman manhandles him again because Masvidal simply isn't an elite fighter in my opinion. He's always been a glorified gatekeeper and while his Tony Montana shtick might make him interesting to some, it doesn't make him a great fighter.

Regarding the excuse he keeps harping about, Dustin Poirier pointed out that Masvidal was training well in advance for Usman in case the fight materialised. It was Usman who wasn't ready for a fight with Masvidal and had to change his game plan and cater it to Masvidal on 6 days. He then promptly walked in and won in 3rd gear.

I'd love to be wrong simply because I don't want to see another fighter retire with a win, but I don't think Masvidal has even a miniscule chance. I think it will be an easy one again.
 

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I dont see anyway for Masvidal to win.

As mentiioned above, he was simply a gatekeeper for years with plenty of losses on his record, I think Usman wins again comfortably by decision

But MMA can through up surprises quite often, so I am covering myself too :angel: