I think City, PSG and Barca (in no particular order) are clearly the top 3 teams around at the moment, they're all 4-5 points ahead of the chasing pack in their respective leagues already and unbeaten, have all smashed teams by 4-5 goals and have all comfortably beaten teams you'd count amongst Europe's elite.
Bayern's hindrance is that they don't really have the financial power to go after the best players in the world, what works in their favour is that they can cherry pick the best available talent domestically and Germany have the strongest youth system in the world so there will never be shortage of brilliant players at Bayern. Additionally, they get to keep them for a long period of time because once you are there there's very little incentive to move elsewhere.
The PL mainly purchase players from smaller leagues, it is not a league where you go to purchase players, it's not a league where young players are developed in great numbers too, so yes it's true. Spanish clubs will do what they have always done and mainly turn to their own league, South America, France, Portugal and Eastern Europe.
This is a good point.
They do have the financial power (revenues) but they are choosing to be very conservative in their spending.
Portugal, South America , France , Eastern Europe are not spain from their local league, by the way.
I don't think they are able to spend £90m on a player, or buy five £50m players in one window. I think they'll still keep taking the best talent in Germany, which should also be enough to keep them competitive considering how strong Germany youth set up is. They'll likely get Goretzka and Brandt next year, both of whom are top talents. The true challenge will be replacing Robben's contribution but for that to happen they'll IMO need to change the way they play.
England have lots of great talented youth coming up in under20s and 17s who just won the world cups in their age category and English national team are also full of quality epl players at the moment.
Problem in England is that young English talent is extremely expensive and teams naturally prefer to go abroad to get players. If you wanted to buy a talented English 20-year old you are probably looking at £30m minimum and if they are any good, then probably £50m. On the other hand Bayern can get similar or better level of talent for £10m or even free like they will do with Goretzka.
Come on, youth teams might be good but the senior side is completely average and probably the worst it has been in a very long while.
We are talking about the PL.
I was talking players like Suarez/Ronaldo/Bale, all the stand out players in the Premier League, left for Spain. That won't be happening anymore, as said see Coutinho in the summer, Madrid never even went back in for De Gea again because they knew what would happen and last week Perez admitted Madrid wouldn't be able to sign Harry Kane because Spurs would want £200m+.
And my point is that La Liga do no rely on the PL when it comes to incoming transfers, it isn't a systemic route, of course there are transfers between the two leagues but Spanish or English clubs aren't in a situation where they absolutely need to purchase from the other in order to improve, the reality is that both leagues mainly use the other leagues for that.
Sorry but that's horseshit. Ronaldo made Ronaldo what he is. Attributing his rise to English football is ridiculous.
This is probably compounded be the teams at the bottom of the PL, due to the competitiveness of the division and the financial clout. Teams like Crystal Palace, Brighton, Bournemouth who are around the bottom 6 of the division have the luxury of spending millions on players that the worst teams in La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga probably don't. And because the division is highly competitive and the rewards for staying in it so great, they will without a moments hesitation rather than bring players through the academy.
How is it horseshit and ridiculous? He needed the right club/coaching/facilitates to go from being a 'show pony' to Ballon d'Or winner, that all happened while he was in England so English football deserve credit for that.
I think the fact he was managed by Sir Alex had a profound impact on his career, so I don't agree it's ridiculous to say a stay in Premier League, particularly Manchester United, was the best that could've happened to one very talented 18 y.o. Portuguese lad.
Are you for real? Ronaldo as a youngster was already too good for the Dutch or Portuguese leagues, if he hadn't come to us, he would've gone to another top club. If he'd gone to Spain or Germany I doubt his trajectory would've been any different. It's like saying Messi is only great cause he went to Barca when he was young.
It all happened while he was playing for Manchester United, coached by the greatest manager of all time. England has little to do with it other than hosting the city of Manchester.
it's not "the road" I want to go down. I believe the original point is that the PL gets players from other European leagues far more than vice-versa, because let's face it, homegrown talent is pretty shit right now in the PL compared to Spain and Germany. Posters seem to be trying to refute that by naming players who aren't even fecking English to counter it
Whilst I agree, if we start going down this road you might as well say the same for 90% of top level players.
Exactly, Dortmund, the club, get credit. Just like Man Utd, the club, should get credit for Ronaldo. Not English or German football.
Why? Kane Ali rashford Sterling dier Jones smalling rose walker butland are all doing so well in the league as individual players.
Epl too have very good players at the moment who are developed here.
Of course there are but it's still not the M.O of the league, the PL isn't a league that produce or develop talent for others which was the point, it wasn't before and it's not now.
Kane is the only world class player the PL has produced since Bale, and before that it was Rooney. That speaks volumes about the quality in it for foreign clubs.
Can it not be both? You need both good coaching and a good attitude/willingness to train a little extra. If you only needed coaching, then Balotelli would have won something by now.
Epl produces lesser yeah , but may be they don't play abroad because other league clubs don't pay as well as epl clubs.
Maybe the context is important, I said that it wasn't clear yet if La Liga was going to give up the top position mainly because Real Madrid and Barcelona don't need a lot of incoming transfers and could easily fix their problems in a single window, then a poster responded that it wouldn't happen because they weren't able to handpick PL players anymore which was followed by me telling him that it was a moot point because the PL isn't a league that develop players(meaning for others) and that La Liga wasn't relying on it but mainly relying on pretty much every other leagues.
Tottenhams 1st 11 didn't cost much to put together but generally yesBig money, better managers, international ecosystem = results improving on the pitch... you don't say?
yeah but Ronaldo is only great cause of English football!!
Due to 3 posts a day limit, this is the first chance I’ve had to reply to this, but why are you twisting my words around?
I'd say you're talking nonsense, really. It's also impossible to prove.
This actually made me curious, Tottenhams team that defeated Real cost around 105-110 mil pounds to put together. The most expensive player being Sanchez 40mil and the cheapest being Trippier at 3.5mil.
