France have recommended AZ be used on 55+ only. We’ve gone full circle 
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France have recommended AZ be used on 55+ only. We’ve gone full circle
Time for another juicy Macron statement.
Forbidden in France for people over 65 several weeks ago... and now only reserved for 55+...France have recommended AZ be used on 55+ only. We’ve gone full circle
Typical Covid Communication.
To be fair, the logic has always been sound. No phase 3 evidence of efficacy when first available but we now have some reasonable observational data (especially in Scotland) which supports use in that cohort.France have recommended AZ be used on 55+ only. We’ve gone full circle
Using it only in 55+ seems very cautious but almost completely removes any concerns re this recent issue around DIC (so should help with hesitancy, which has always been a huge issue in France)
Everyone needs to remember that each country makes the decisions that will be of most benefit to its citizens. They’ve had bad experience with vaccines in France in the past, so will be desperate to avoid a repeat performance.
UK vaccinated approx. 1% of the population yesterday (660k doses). 2nd doses just passed 2 million. In related news, hospital deaths are now at less than a tenth of their January peak and continue to fall rapidly.
Some going.
Getting the Pfizer one on Monday, anyone else got it?
Loadsa people. Millions of Americans, and most of Israel for a start
I can see why they’re doing it - it’s just slightly amusing considering where we were 2 weeks ago! They’re not recommending it for now pending further investigation which I think is fair. They have 3 other vaccines available for that age group and plenty of people that need vaccinating over 55 anyway. I didn’t agree with not recommending for 65+ from the start though. Whilst I know the AZ trials didn’t contain enough data to be certain I felt all evidence suggested it would work in over 65s - very much sided with MHRA on that as I did on the prioritisation of first doses whilst supply was so tight and cases were sky rocketing. I have little doubt that saved many lives which is ultimately the goal.
Germany seem to have pinpointed the cause of the clotting and provided people seek medical intervention early enough think it is preventable: https://m.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-researchers-discover-thrombosis-trigger/a-56925550
Don't know why he's asking here when he can just go to Israel
That’s a tantalising headline with very little detail, the feckers!
Pre-print in the lancet in the next few days apparently - if you fancy a read in German more on their findings here:
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021.pdf
Thanks
Why didn't I think of going to Israel to ask around.I meant anyone on here with personal experience to share?
my mother got that (1 big bruise) after her 1st dose AZ, doctor thinks it's not a clot, i'm worried.
That's an interesting article, even in its Google translate wobbly form. The comparison with HIT and the consequent treatment approach sounded as if it could be really useful. Let's hope so.
It'll be interesting to see how the Scandinavian clinicians view it.
I'm still not sure why we wouldn't have seen it on the UK, unless we have a different approach to bloodtests/treatments on hospital admission. I could imagine giving someone heparin if they present with this type of clot could be a disaster. Hopefully we'll hear from UK specialists on this as well.
At the injection site? Possible they just nicked a blood vessel. If she has unexplained bruises elsewhere definitely get checked out.
what are the figures and the general trend on UK hospitalizations for Covid?
Fantastic rates of decline.
Is this a real sign that the vaccines will work
Amazing. Well done to the UK, vaccinated their way out of it, great communication campaign - very high uptake across vulnerable groups. Think many Europe countries will struggle to vaccinate Elderly due to high skepticism.
Nobody is sceptical about the Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson&Johnson vaccine and I think EU has ordered a lot more of those than they have AZ. Sceptisicm is not the problem. Getting enough vaccine is though. In Norway things are going slow. Almost 10% of population have had the first shot, approx. 5% have had both doses. Maybe we could have had a couple of more percent vaccinated if the AZ did not have those huge side effect for some few but we only goy 90k doses in february. I am happy that my nation takes things seriously when it comes to the safety though, because many young people had their lives messed up after the swine flu shot. But the J&J will go faster though, as it is only 1 dose per person. Things will look better in some few months, as long as we can kill this third wave of mutant virus.
Still a long way to go for the UK. We're still on a stay at home message for another 10 days, non-essential retail opens on the 12th of April. I think by May if we're in a positive position on hospital admissions after everything has been opened up again then it'd be fair to say we can see start to see a light at the end of the tunnel. It's a big house of cards though.
Exactly the feeling for me, had mine on Wednesday, aches and constantly needing to sleep insane amounts. But it definitely feels like you’ve been on the piss waking up.
Loads of people are sceptical about all of the covid vaccines. It varies between countries and population groups, but fortunately the rate of hesitancy is going down as the vaccine rollout continues. The AZ issues need to be handled well - I'm hoping that the national regulators understand their population well enough to know what "well" means for their country.
https://www.ipsos.com/en/covid-19-vaccination-intent-has-soared-across-world
Since mid-December, eight of the 15 countries have seen an uptick in vaccine intent among those who have not been vaccinated of more than 20 percentage points: Italy (by 36 percentage points to 62% who strongly agree), Spain (+31 to 57%), the U.K and Brazil (+24 to 70% and 76%, respectively), France (+23 to 35%), Mexico (+22 to 64%), and Canada and Germany (+21 to 60% and 51%, respectively).
• The countries showing the smallest gains are Russia (+2 to 16%) and the United States (+3 to 41%).
Yes I have. Had a sore arm for a day both times and otherwise felt totally well.Thanks
I meant anyone on here with personal experience to share?
Difficult to extrapolate though. I have colleagues who had the pfizer who've had a terrible couple of days after and couldn't even come into work cos they had fevers and chills. Similar with AZ. And some who had AZ who felt pretty fine after.
So wouldn't be able to say really how you'd personally react to it. But exciting nonetheless!
Finally my turn on the 30th, then second round the 11th if May.
Pfizer.
Pfizer.
I can let you know tomorrow, if I survive it. I just got the call for round 1 of the Pfizer jab, tomorrow at noon.
My mother got it and has had second dose. No complaints other than slightly sore arm but no worse than any other jab.
Is that implying the UK doesn't?
Not sure why you can't just give credit where it's due.
Thanks, that's what I heard from most people who have taken it too.
I'm getting it Monday morning UK time.
Good to hear.
English version of that paper:
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Apparently a London based research team have similar findings that are about to be published, so I guess we'll be hearing more soon. Hopefully they may have give us some idea why the UK situation has been different. Admittedly the age profiles has been different for AZ use in the UK, but so have the volumes.
And finally a cautionary tale on taking headline stats too literally. The base rate is higher than the German health minister suggested and depending on the group, the CVT rate varies a lot, with women 20-50 who are pregnant or on the pill at highest risk.
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Why isn’t he pointing out that the base rate of 2-5 per million is also a huge underestimation according to these figures? Should be 13 per million.
That still makes the incidence twice as high in women aged 30-50 but nowhere near the ten times as high you’d assume by reading his tweet and not the detail of the table.
I’m actually getting depressed at the way so many senior UK physicians seem more determined to score points against EU politicians/regulators than to educate. From hanging out on UK doctors message boards I do know that a lot of them were very Brexit-y to begin with (especially the older ones) but this vaccine saga seems to be pushing them over the edge.
I think some of them are just sounding offended by the idea that the UK regulators (or they themselves) have ignored adverse reactions and other safety issues. Plus like a lot of doctors they start to panic and get arrogant and defensive when questioned
I'm still bothered by the question of "where are the UK cases," and I'm hoping one of them is going to come up with an explanation. If it's the raw numbers - comparing rare incidents to a 10m overall cohort, rather than the maybe 1m who got it in that female 20-50 category - then that needs fixing in how the adverse reactions get monitored.
If it's something else - like the original questions about batch and handling, or any possible differences in what happens in test/treatment terms if someone does go to hospital - then it's potentially important.
I think some of them are just sounding offended by the idea that the UK regulators (or they themselves) have ignored adverse reactions and other safety issues. Plus like a lot of doctors they start to panic and get arrogant and defensive when questioned
I'm still bothered by the question of "where are the UK cases," and I'm hoping one of them is going to come up with an explanation. If it's the raw numbers - comparing rare incidents to a 10m overall cohort, rather than the maybe 1m who got it in that female 20-50 category - then that needs fixing in how the adverse reactions get monitored.
If it's something else - like the original questions about batch and handling, or any possible differences in what happens in test/treatment terms if someone does go to hospital - then it's potentially important.
Touché!I’ve had to stop watching the John Campbell podcast because he’s gone from being subtlety anti-EU to overtly anti-EU - totally offended by the notion Norway may have found something we didn’t know about. Plus he had David Davis of Brexit fame on a few weeks ago - that’s when my spidey sense properly started tingling
I still haven’t seen any stats on incidents like this after Pfizer/Moderna though. That would be interesting I think.
I saw reference to some similar cases being investigated in the US. Nothing from EU/UK though. It’s all massively complicated by the different ways in which the vaccines are being rolled out.I’ve had to stop watching the John Campbell podcast because he’s gone from being subtlety anti-EU to overtly anti-EU - totally offended by the notion Norway may have found something we didn’t know about. Plus he had David Davis of Brexit fame on a few weeks ago - that’s when my spidey sense properly started tingling
I still haven’t seen any stats on incidents like this after Pfizer/Moderna though. That would be interesting I think.
feck me...
"First World problems" I heard quoted in here the other day regarding this.
https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/sam...sfald-mistanke-om-vaccinebivirkninger/8509405
"First World problems" I heard quoted in here the other day regarding this.
That is you implying something I never said
But my country have had cases worth looking into and have concluded that they must be an immune response after taking the vaccine.Giving credit? I am happy you are doing better in the UK now, I really am! but I am not obliged to give you credit for communicating that the vaccine is safe, when I myself think the opposite
For me it is a bit like: How many deaths and injuries are acceptable from a side effect? Should we not know more about who is at risk before using it? In my opinion, while some in here advocated that EU contries were political in stopping the AZ use, I think that some nations are political in not accepting that these conditions ARE side effects.Today two more in Denmark had blood clots after the AZ vaccine, with brain bleeding. Two healthworkers. One is dead. Germany have adjusted their numbers from 7 to 12 and are still searching for more.
The EMA did not want to add this to the possible side effects from the vaccine, but Norway have concluded this is a side effect and there can be no other explanation.
So the full circle goes. EMA, WHO wants the vaccine to be used and thinks it is worth it if some people dies from it, since more can be saved.
It all depends on how you look at things I guess. I think that in my nation we want to have control over the side effects. If we knew who were at risk of these side effects, we could make sure these people did not have the vaccine, but others not at risk could have it.
I am not one to fuel hatred or saying we are better or this or that, but I do think that there is two agendas from two different cultures vs. the usage of vaccine here. One culture thinks purely full perspective and the other do not tolerate some few deaths and injuries as a result of the vaccine.
And both cultures can be correct also. 1. More lives in total can be saved by using the vaccine. 2. Some few people will be hospitalized or die from using it.
So this is a little bit about perspective and how one accepts the deaths of a few or not for the "greater good" in my opinion.
Outside of a pandemic, all nations would propably have stopped the use of a vaccine or medicine after similar reports.
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Just had my vaccination (AZ), fingers crossed after reading this thread
In UK, can't comment on other countries but the efficiency of the centre was amazing. Queued outside 30 seconds, in to one of several people registering, then into hall where several people doing vaccinations, sleeve up, done, out (to sit in car 10 minutes).
Doubt I was inside 3 minutes in total.
In UK, can't comment on other countries but the efficiency of the centre was amazing. Queued outside 30 seconds, in to one of several people registering, then into hall where several people doing vaccinations, sleeve up, done, out (to sit in car 10 minutes).
Doubt I was inside 3 minutes in total.