It feels like progress. We are both slightly coldy but otherwise OK.Wooohooo! Congrats
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It feels like progress. We are both slightly coldy but otherwise OK.Wooohooo! Congrats
Seems like you could get it, perhaps talking to someone on the phone might help. I doubt you'll be arrested for trying to get it 2 years under the limit.What’s the booking process for vaccines like?
I see it’s down to 36 now and I’m 34. If I tried to book would it reject my booking or would it just be questioned when I get there? I see that people have been successful booking before their age group in the past so I’m just wondering how that happens
I just don’t want to turn up and look like a dick to be honestSeems like you could get it, perhaps talking to someone on the phone might help. I doubt you'll be arrested for trying to get it 2 years under the limit.
I can't imagine that, maybe if you did it when they were doing over 70s but at this point I don't think anyone will give a toss.I just don’t want to turn up and look like a dick to be honest
You are going to wear a disguise?I just don’t want to turn up and look like a dick to be honest
Have you tried the NHS website? It let me book before I was officially allowed.What’s the booking process for vaccines like?
I see it’s down to 36 now and I’m 34. If I tried to book would it reject my booking or would it just be questioned when I get there? I see that people have been successful booking before their age group in the past so I’m just wondering how that happens
You are going to wear a disguise?
Tough choice. I had a similar option, although I think my wait time for Pfizer would be longer than yours. I decided to go for the J&J, as I do spend quite a bit of time around my parents - even though they're vaccinated (also J&J), I thought reducing the possible risk to them is probably the most important thing I could do.So I’ll be registering for a vaccine tomorrow. Looks like I might need to make a choice between AZ or J&J straight away or wait (an unspecified time) for Pfizer/Moderna. The most first world problem ever but still a bit of a tough decision. I’m going to sleep on it.
According to nurse who did mine they’re only doing small pricks at the minute mateTried to sign up for my vaccine on the NHS website but it rejected me for having too big a penis. I’ll wait next week when they allow people as well endowed as me to sign up.
Bless youAccording to nurse who did mine they’re only doing small pricks at the minute mate
I think it depends on how long you'll have to wait and the current number of cases around you. For example, a week wait while cases are low doesn't seem too much of a stretch.Turning down a vaccine under any circumstances seems nuts.
But cases are low here largely because of mass rollout of AZ. People are treating vaccine like designer shoes.I think it depends on how long you'll have to wait and the current number of cases around you. For example, a week wait while cases are low doesn't seem too much of a stretch.
yeah that's a good point.But cases are low here largely because of mass rollout of AZ. People are treating vaccine like designer shoes.
“Sorry I was asymptotic and killed your dad, anything other than Moderna wouldn’t go with anything in my wardrobe so I waited a few weeks “
The over 50's now have no supply issues as we make 1 million does of AZ per week but only use it on us oldies. We have finally ordered Moderna (a year to late) but that won't arrive until late 2021 and early 2022. We have lots of Pfizer ordered but supplies are only dribbling in. You know it is bad because the Feds are just refusing to talk about it. They have missed out the usual steps of bullshitting us which is a worry.@Wibble, glad you and your wife finally got the vaccine!
I remember asymptotes being tricky but I don't think they've ever killed anyoneBut cases are low here largely because of mass rollout of AZ. People are treating vaccine like designer shoes.
“Sorry I was asymptotic and killed your dad, anything other than Moderna wouldn’t go with anything in my wardrobe so I waited a few weeks “
The only real advantage is that you're fully-vaccinated sooner with Pfizer or Moderna. Our friend here had AZ a couple of months ago because he's 75, and yet my second appointment is 10 days before his.Haha
But you know just look at what vaccination rates have done to COVID levels here where as far as I can see few people have paid attention to restrictions at all since Feb.
Vaccine brand preference is just vaccine hesitancy for those who want to pretend they’re better than the conspiracy theorists
I don't think that's right is it? A single shot still gives high efficacy from all the vaccines and extending the dose gives better efficacy ultimately with AZ and now it looks like with Pfizer too.The only real advantage is that you're fully-vaccinated sooner with Pfizer or Moderna. Our friend here had AZ a couple of months ago because he's 75, and yet my second appointment is 10 days before his.
J&J is the most convenient but there's not much of that here in Italy, it seems.
There’s a good chance that travel restrictions etc will apply to anyone not “fully vaccinated”. When you get a vaccine that is licensed to be given as two doses that won’t be until after the second dose.I don't think that's right is it? A single shot still gives very high efficacy from all the vaccines and extending the dose gives better efficacy ultimately with AZ and now it looks like with Pfizer too.
I meant that the best situation is to be fully-vaccinated as soon as possible, and AZ is a far longer timeline for that. Not just for personal safety, but for convenience - so that you can actually start moving around the country (and even go to other countries). One jab (excluding J&J) doesn't give you that. Of course, it's good to have had the first dose of anything!I don't think that's right is it? A single shot still gives very high efficacy from all the vaccines and extending the dose gives better efficacy ultimately with AZ and now it looks like with Pfizer too.
I don't think the first point is an issue because as a country we don't want people travelling. Firstly because of what they might bring back but secondly because it would be better for our economy if they spent the money built up through furlough domestically.There’s a good chance that travel restrictions etc will apply to anyone not “fully vaccinated”. When you get a vaccine that is licensed to be given as two doses that won’t be until after the second dose.
J&J won’t cause that problem but you’d wonder about the durability of response without that second dose.
Finally you have the clotting issue. For young people when community transmission is low the risk vs benefit gets a less compelling. That’s why the UK recently decided not to give AZ to anyone under 30 (which is, obviously, a fairly arbitrary age cut off)
Lots of people want to have a sunny summer holiday this year, if at all possible. They didn't get one last year and I don't think it's at all unreasonable for families to have a fortnight in the sunshine.I don't think the first point is an issue because as a country we don't want people travelling. Firstly because of what they might bring back but secondly because it would be better for our economy if they spent the money built up through furlough domestically.
That said, Portugal and Italy among others have already opened up to British tourists on the proviso of a negative PCR test only.
There's plenty of people who want to travel, not for holiday purposes, but to visit family who live abroad. This 'spending the money domestically' view is a bit of a moot point.I don't think the first point is an issue because as a country we don't want people travelling. Firstly because of what they might bring back but secondly because it would be better for our economy if they spent the money built up through furlough domestically.
That said, Portugal and Italy among others have already opened up to British tourists on the proviso of a negative PCR test only.
In that case then as Pogue suggested, the J&J vaccine could be put aside for people that are desperate to travel on a vaccine passport. The vast majority will just want a sunny holiday abroad, however. It's very much a first world problem.There's plenty of people who want to travel, not for holiday purposes, but to visit family who live abroad. This 'spending the money domestically' view is a bit of a moot point.
Yeah I think that's the case for a lot of EU countries at the moment. My partner is a healthcare worker and she got AZ back in March but only gets her second jab in the beginning of June. Meanwhile I *should* get my first jab at the end of June but it'll most likely be Pfizer or J&J since we don't give AZ to under 40s anymore. If I get J&J I'll be "fully vaccinated" just a couple of weeks after her, although I guess she'll have been better protected than me since she got her first jab.I meant that the best situation is to be fully-vaccinated as soon as possible, and AZ is a far longer timeline for that. Not just for personal safety, but for convenience - so that you can actually start moving around the country (and even go to other countries). One jab (excluding J&J) doesn't give you that. Of course, it's good to have had the first dose of anything!
oates only had to wait 3 weeks for his second Pfizer (that's now been pushed back to 5 weeks for people booking in later priority groups), but AZ recipients have had to wait 12 weeks here.
It's not just that. Some people suffer from serious and debilitating medical anxiety and having the worry hanging over them that they may develop a serious blood clot - no matter how slim those odds are - is something that they will want to try to avoid for the sake of their mental health.Haha
But you know just look at what vaccination rates have done to COVID levels here where as far as I can see few people have paid attention to restrictions at all since Feb.
Vaccine brand preference is just vaccine hesitancy for those who want to pretend they’re better than the conspiracy theorists
One thing I’d say to those people is if you haven’t had a clot soon after the vaccine you’re not going to get one. This seems to be something you get early or not at all.It's not just that. Some people suffer from serious and debilitating medical anxiety and having the worry hanging over them that they may develop a serious blood clot - no matter how slim those odds are - is something that they will want to try to avoid for the sake of their mental health.
Isn't the percentage of blood cloths related to Pfizer and AZ pretty similar or is that already outdated?It's not just that. Some people suffer from serious and debilitating medical anxiety and having the worry hanging over them that they may develop a serious blood clot - no matter how slim those odds are - is something that they will want to try to avoid for the sake of their mental health.
Yeah, but do know people for whom this is a big concern. So if they can allay that by simply choosing a vaccine that doesn't have that side effect, that's the simplest way to get them vaccinated quickly.One thing I’d say to those people is if you haven’t had a clot soon after the vaccine you’re not going to get one. This seems to be something you get early or not at all.
If that anxiety is the difference between them getting vaccinated or not then it’s a good example of why having a choice is a good thing (even though it probably seems obscene to anyone living in the developing world)Yeah, but do know people for whom this is a big concern. So if they can allay that by simply choosing a vaccine that doesn't have that side effect, that's the simplest way to get them vaccinated quickly.