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Gaming The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

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is that low or high?

If you're good at your job then you should be on around 70k a year here by the time you're 30. The demand is enormous, plus Dublin isn't close to being as expensive to live in as Silicon Valley, or some other IT hubs.

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That sounds great, to be fair. Something to consider if I don't go for PhD.

Yep, way out ot topic. Thanks for the info! :)
 

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It's absolutely huge, it's probably our biggest export product and I think it has a great chance to be in top 10 (even top 5) best selling games of this year across all platforms which is mental considering CD Projekt were a relatively small company mere 10 years ago and it used to be very difficult to keep the best programists in Poland (large disparity in salaries).
Which is amazing considering how CD Projekt started off.
 

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Which is amazing considering how CD Projekt started off.
I don't know proper correlations but CD Projekt is connected with Optimus who were the biggest manufacturer of PCs in Poland in the 90s, their gaming branch used to be much smaller than this and they were mainly distributors not developers.
 

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I don't know proper correlations but CD Projekt is connected with Optimus who were the biggest manufacturer of PCs in Poland in the 90s, their gaming branch used to be much smaller than this and they were mainly distributors not developers.
I posted three videos on page 4 or 5 I think, they talk about how CD Projekt came about and how they got into gaming. They cover gaming in Poland too, it's really interesting.
 

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is that low or high?

If you're good at your job then you should be on around 70k a year here by the time you're 30. The demand is enormous, plus Dublin isn't close to being as expensive to live in as Silicon Valley, or some other IT hubs.

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€70k is plenty of money, in Poland they could approach €40k level if they're very good, standard would be around €30k I guess (€2.5k a month is very realistic for a software developer in a big city, to be fair speaking of Warsaw where CD Projekt primarly work I'd probably expect closer to €3k - €3.5k for the best). Costs of living are much lower here than in Dublin though I imagine.

€70k is lower than I had thought. Some of my family/friends have moved abroad and by the way they talk I'd imagine I'd make five times what I make here if I moved there. Turns out financial analysts average is around €38k in Ireland, it's not even close to what I imagine and definitely not the sort of money I'd ever consider moving abroad for. They'd told me I'd be making €6k a month in my profession in rural area where they work, I don't think I'd be making half that looking at stats, Polish people exaggerate so much when it comes to how amazing the life outside of here is :lol:
 

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€70k is plenty of money, in Poland they could approach €40k level if they're very good, standard would be around €30k I guess (€2.5k a month is very realistic for a software developer in a big city, to be fair speaking of Warsaw where CD Projekt primarly work I'd probably expect closer to €3k - €3.5k for the best). Costs of living are much lower here than in Dublin though I imagine.

€70k is lower than I had thought. Some of my family/friends have moved abroad and by the way they talk I'd imagine I'd make five times what I make here if I moved there. Turns out financial analysts average is around €38k in Ireland, it's not even close to what I imagine and definitely not the sort of money I'd ever consider moving abroad for. They'd told me I'd be making €6k a month in my profession in rural area where they work, I don't think I'd be making half that looking at stats, Polish people exaggerate so much when it comes to how amazing the life outside of here is :lol:
Yay, 70k before the taxes (I guess it should be 45-50k after the taxes) is a lot of money. Not exactly US wages (which for good developers are 100k+ dollars), but still enough to have a very comfortable life.

3-3.5k (assuming it is net) is still a very good wage. In Italy, it is like half of that for average developers.
 

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Conan "reviewed" the game, be warned though, there might be some spoilers in there.

 

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Yay, 70k before the taxes (I guess it should be 45-50k after the taxes) is a lot of money. Not exactly US wages (which for good developers are 100k+ dollars), but still enough to have a very comfortable life.

3-3.5k (assuming it is net) is still a very good wage. In Italy, it is like half of that for average developers.
Nah, it's gross but 75% stays with you if you are registered as business and invoice your employer (as most people on high money do) or 70% if you're a formal employee. €30k a year net is realistic for the very best but €25k is more probable. Average salary in Poland is around €12k a year gross which is €9k net so it's still well above the norm. As I've said costs of living are considerably lower here too, if you're on €30k a year net you're rich, anything over €1.5k a month net is considered a lot. We're still some way behind leading European countries but as I've said if you find a good job then you should be comfortable - getting to €1.5k - €2k a month net level is very realistic within 2-3 years from graduating from university, if not then most people emigrate because the pay could be less than €500 a month net if you don't land a decent job and this is just not sustainable.

Software developer are still bound to make twice the money they could make here by emigrating to the UK/US and some IT specialists go to Scandinavia as well.
 

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Review embargo ends today. Any predictions for metacritic score? I think...91/100
 

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There abouts. Can't see less than 90.
 

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Impressive reviews so far, got this from Reddit:

Gamespot: 10/10

This is one of the best role-playing games ever crafted, a titan among giants and the standard-setter for all such games going forward. Where the Witcher 2 sputtered to a halt, The Witcher 3 is always in a crescendo, crafting battle scenarios that constantly one-up the last, until you reach the explosive finale and recover in the glow of the game's quiet denouement. But while the grand clashes are captivating, it is the moments between conflicts, when you drink with the local clans and bask in a trobairitz's song, that are truly inspiring.

IGN: 9.3/10

But each time I stepped off the well-beaten path to blaze my own trail, it turned into a wild, open, exhilarating fantasy roleplaying experience, rife with opportunities to make use of its excellent combat. Even after over 100 hours with The Witcher 3, it still tempts me to press on – there’s so much more I want to learn, and hunt.

Kotaku:YES

Wild Hunt is a grand adventure that feels distinctly of its time. It manages to set new standards for video game technology while accentuating the fleeting nature of technological achievement as an end unto itself. It is a worthy exploration of friendship and family, mixing scenes of great sorrow with scenes of ridiculous lustiness, tempering its melancholy with bright splashes of joy and merry monster guts. Come for the epic showdown between good and evil; stay for the unicorn sex.

Gametrailers Video Review: 9.75/10

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is a thoughtful, diverse, and frequently awe-inspiring adventure. Its stories are deep and satisfying, unafraid to touch on themes of personal character, presenting players with choices and consequences that aren't about turning into a hero or a villain. In the end, its simply one of the best RPGs ever made.

GameInformer: 9.75/10

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt encompasses what I hope is the future of RPGs. It stands out for its wonderful writing, variety of quests and things to do in the world, and how your choices have impact in interesting ways. Usually something is sacrificed when creating a world this ambitious, but everything felt right on cue. I still think about some of my choices and how intriguing they turned out – for better or worse.

Eurogamer: They don't do scores anymore

However, while Skyrim (for all its majesty) often sent you on quests hewn from glum fantasy cliché at the behest of a series of plastic-faced nobodies, CD Projekt's work feels richer and more humane. If anything, Wild Hunt recalls Rockstar's cowboy epic Red Dead Redemption - and not just because both games let you trot about on horseback.

... The result is that this Polish studio's first open world is one of the greatest we've ever seen.

GamesRadar: 4/5

I dearly hope that the 'day zero' patch eliminates The Witcher 3’s technical issues. They’re the main blemish on an otherwise rich and lengthy RPG. Even so, The Witcher 3 represents a generational leap in world design and fidelity, and is a spectacle that deserves to be savoured at its very best.

AusGamers: 10/10

There is no question in my mind that The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has been worth the wait. It’s sheer scale and absolution in content, alongside its surprisingly strong narrative -- both in the main quest lines, and the peripheral ones around them -- is delivered with a maturity rarely ever seen in games of this scope. There’s Triple-A gaming, and then there’s The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.

Pocket-Lint: 5/5

If you're a fan of Fallout, Skyrim, or any Witcher game before it, then The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is a must buy. As real-time role-playing games go there are few better.

The Verge: Score N/A

The latest entry in the Polish role playing series is essentially what would happen if you mashed up Game of Thrones and Grand Theft Auto.

PlaystationTrophies: 92/100

It’s one of the most unique, distinctive, vast and varied western RPGs I’ve played in years and it contains hundreds of brilliant stories that you simply must experience. Buy it, stick it in your disc tray, pull the curtains and prepare to be transported. You won't want to leave the house for weeks.

Impulse Gamer: 5/5

The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt is one of the best RPG’s that I have ever played and after the previous game, I really didn’t know what to expect because that game was so good. This game has got characters that you actually care about, a story that is very engaging from the get go and almost flawless gaming mechanics.
 
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I think gamespot have only given out 10/10 to GTA 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Bayonetta 2 and The Witcher 3.

Usually very critical with reviews and they are calling Witcher 3 one of the best games ever made :drool:
 

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Was expecting these sort of reviews but glad it's delivered. One more week
 

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A lot of the reviews saying the framerate on PS4 is not good right now and IGN said the main story is padded out with lots of fetch quests. Please don't be like Dragon Age Inquisiton...

 

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Worst review so far has come from the Official Playstation Magazine which is a bit odd. You'd think they would go easy to get more people to buy the game!

I think I'm going to hold off on pre-ordering this. I'll buy it once the inevitable patches come out and fix everything. Games this massive always have some problem or the other at launch.
 

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Be warned guys, those video reviews do contain spoilers.

A lot of the reviews saying the framerate on PS4 is not good right now and IGN said the main story is padded out with lots of fetch quests. Please don't be like Dragon Age Inquisiton...

Hopefully that will be patched.
 

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gamespot only gave TLOU an 8 so this had better be the best fecking thing ever now.
 

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"Thanks to lots of excellent dialogue and voice acting there is some emotional payoff along the way, but it’s mixed in with too much padding in the form of meaningless fetch quests and collectathons. Every time I felt like I was on the verge of an interesting revelation, I’d have to suddenly stop to escort a goat, or search for a lost, narcoleptic dwarf. Heck, even Geralt can barely hide his frustration with the constant parade of menial tasks at times."

This is what I hate about open world games. DA also had a goat escort mission :lol: (along with some other animals like Druffalo). Who thinks this stuff is interesting?!
 

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Im getting it day 1

But I really had no great love for part 2. Really hoping it is a lot better
 

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Hmmm hope the frame rate isn't too bad at launch. Seems to be a consistent criticism.
 

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The day 1 patch should fix the framerate, hopefully.


Also, hope any stupid escort missions are avoidable, fecking hate escort/protect missions.
Apparently the reviewed copies already had the day one patch on them...the gamesport review states that it had the day one patch so I would imagine the rest of the reviewers received an identical copy.
 

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Apparently the reviewed copies already had the day one patch on them...the gamesport review states that it had the day one patch so I would imagine the rest of the reviewers received an identical copy.
The review I read, Kotaku, said they had a "debug" copy on a special loaned PS4, and didn't have the patch. Surprising that the other reviewers did have the patch.
 

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The review I read, Kotaku, said they had a "debug" copy on a special loaned PS4, and didn't have the patch. Surprising that the other reviewers did have the patch.
I haven't actually read any of the reviews as I don't want too much detail about the game. Just going by what is on the neogaf thread. They are saying that the Kotaku one had the patch as well.

Gamespot guy had a debug copy on a PS4 with the patch on it.
"Kevin VanOrd has played all three Witcher games and read several of the novels. He spent about 100 hours with The Witcher 3 on a PlayStation 4 debug system, a version that included the games' day-one patch. He uses the word "ploughing" in everyday speech. "
 

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I haven't actually read any of the reviews as I don't want too much detail about the game. Just going by what is on the neogaf thread. They are saying that the Kotaku one had the patch as well.

Gamespot guy had a debug copy on a PS4 with the patch on it.
"Kevin VanOrd has played all three Witcher games and read several of the novels. He spent about 100 hours with The Witcher 3 on a PlayStation 4 debug system, a version that included the games' day-one patch. He uses the word "ploughing" in everyday speech. "
Yeah, I skipped anything that was starting to sound spoiler-ish.

This is what Kotaku themselves said.

Kotaku said:
Combat is also occasionally where the game’s technical performance becomes an issue, or at least that was the case during my playthrough. I played a “debug” copy of The Witcher 3 on a special PlayStation 4 that Sony loaned me, meaning that I was essentially playing a final version of the game, minus a day-one patch that the developers are already promising. The game runs well for the most part, holding to what felt like a decent unlocked 30-ish frames per second with the occasional dip.
 

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Looks like it's over the review hurdle, time to cough up the cash.
 

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Vince Ingenito of ign gave it 9.3/10, which is quite great. Criticized the story (or the lack of it). To be fair, I struggle in big games when the story isn't terribly interesting (both Dragon Age Inquisition and Pillars of Eternity suffered from this, or at least I suffered).

Still, it seems that the other things in the game will compensate for it, and from all reviews it seems that it is a terrific game.
 

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Vince Ingenito of ign gave it 9.3/10, which is quite great. Criticized the story (or the lack of it). To be fair, I struggle in big games when the story isn't terribly interesting (both Dragon Age Inquisition and Pillars of Eternity suffered from this, or at least I suffered).

Still, it seems that the other things in the game will compensate for it, and from all reviews it seems that it is a terrific game.
Yup, I had half a mind to leave this off, and stick with 2 for now, but I think this'll have to be day 1, and I can go back to 2 later.
 

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Vince Ingenito of ign gave it 9.3/10, which is quite great. Criticized the story (or the lack of it). To be fair, I struggle in big games when the story isn't terribly interesting (both Dragon Age Inquisition and Pillars of Eternity suffered from this, or at least I suffered).

Still, it seems that the other things in the game will compensate for it, and from all reviews it seems that it is a terrific game.
Story was the best thing about Witcher 2 in my opinion so that is kind of disappointing and surprising.

Looks like some people got the patch and others didn't. Jeff Gerstman(giant bomb) saying his copy came with the day one patch. Don't know how to post tweets while on mobile but it said this:

"The review disc they sent over was said to already have the Day 1 patch applied, but I had it crash on me twice in the first hour."
 

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Story was the best thing about Witcher 2 in my opinion so that is kind of disappointing and surprising.

Looks like some people got the patch and others didn't. Jeff Gerstman(giant bomb) saying his copy came with the day one patch. Don't know how to post tweets while on mobile but it said this:

"The review disc they sent over was said to already have the Day 1 patch applied, but I had it crash on me twice in the first hour."
Yep. I think that for RPG games, the story is as important as gameplay. Also, usually after I throw a lot of hours into the game, on the final part of the game I get concentrated fully in story. In Inquisition, I didn't even bothered to do half of the staff in the last 2-3 regions, cause I was already fatigued. I the story isn't strong enough to keep me interesting, I don't know how can I invest 100 hours in this. That is assuming that I buy it on day 1.
 

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Hopefully it does get sorted early on, I don't want to wait even longer to buy it. :(