fergie took alot of risks... fletcher, carrick, kagawa, etc. but it was a team with good chemistry100%, Absolutely this!
Liverpool took risks on the likes of Andy Robertson but also broke transfer records for a defender (VVD) and an African player (Mane) from Southampton. They also made good on some proven premier league discards/veterans like Milner and Shaquiri.
For contrast, our supporters will have full-meltdowns if we spent big on ‘unheralded’ premier league dwellers like Declan Rice, Ryan Fraser or Harry Maguire. Sign of our desperate times they’ll say.
I'd have been over the moon about Mane, but I know what you mean.Gomez but that's not the point. There is this thinking that if player is not great from young age then those players aren't all that good. If the young player shows promise then we should sign him at all costs.
For example, how would have CAF reacted if we signed Salah, Mane, Firmino, Robertson?
Our transfer strategy is not the same as it was under Rodgers, but it is very much an evolution of it with many of the same people running it. I am sure Klopp has had an impact but unlike Rodgers he's much more comfortable working with a director of football and probably has less influence on transfers than Rodgers did (he preferred Brandt over salah for example).Speaking of "long term vision" @rampo . Do you think Liverpool have one? It seems like they just changed managers, and each manager just buy their own players. The only "vision" I see is the owner only sanction buying players with resale values. And also they don't mind selling their stars if the price is right.
There's no doubt Klopp is the major factor but he's got a good and well developed structure around him.This doesn't apply to Liverpool, truth be told they simply hired a good coach, nothing else.
That's not the point, their owner knows nothing about football and most owners or executives in football aren't football savvy either. Just look at when FSG bought Liverpool and look at the players and managers, that they brought, it's not as glorious as people are now pretending. The reality is that they eventually got a very good manager in Klopp mainly due to timing and a little bit of luck.Hmm. I haven't followed it a lot to be honest, but John Henry's Fenway Group took over after Gilette and Hicks, who didn't do well.
Thought Liverpool was kind of happy about their current owner? Allowed Klopp to sell Coutinho, to revamp the squad for instance.
What's the general concencus among Liverpool fans?
But we'll never forget his cameo at Wolfsburg.Powell? He's at Wigan.
Flattered to deceive.
You should be happy but it's not a coincidence that your structure started to really make sense when Klopp entered the building, use United as a bad example and always keep that in mind. From what I understand Klopp was aware of his own limitations and suggested the structure that would help him be successful while we hired arrogant buffoons who are convinced that they know everything.There's no doubt Klopp is the major factor but he's got a good and well developed structure around him.
We suffered for a few years from having owners that knew nothing about football and were experimenting a lot to find a workable structure and approach. Unlike the glazers they've been very committed to the learning curve though and to trying to do things properly. I am pretty happy with them at this stage.
Used to argue lot about Mane in different forums, saying how he will be very good addition and much better than Pedro. But year, overall point was much more than just Mane.I'd have been over the moon about Mane, but I know what you mean.
I think Ole is not an arrogant buffon but the problem is we don't have a proper structure. If any.You should be happy but it's not a coincidence that your structure started to really make sense when Klopp entered the building, use United as a bad example and always keep that in mind. From what I understand Klopp was aware of his own limitations and suggested the structure that would help him be successful while we hired arrogant buffoons who are convinced that they know everything.
Pretty much this. I do feel that there could be a time when a player, who is coming towards the end of a career, can be a good fit in a team that requires exactly what ever that player can give, and also to help/guide younger players for a couple of seasons, but generally we need players that are on the up (Madison, Rice, Brooks, Felix for example) and really want to play for the club, and will get a real sense of pride in wearing the United shirt, and running out onto the OT pitch. I'm sure that most posters on here would never go for players like Milner, Henderson, Wiljandum, Firmino, but they fit into a pattern of play that obviously suits them, and, the overiding factor is that they all have a work ethic, and are prepared to run themselves into the ground for their club, I'm afraid I didn't see that too much from a few United players towards the end of the season.We should not be learning anything - we should know it already. But…
Don't bring in players who are in decline, or about to be.
At the top level, character matters as much as the last few percent of skill. Ferguson was a master of finding players who were determined and committed. We've lost that (I don't think I need to name names, do I?)
You don't need 11 world beaters in a team, you need balance - Liverpool's midfield is limited, but they are scrappers, and two good attacking full backs and pace and skill up front give them enough going forward.
Successful rebuilding requires a plan, not a chequebook with an itch for whatever big name the agents are punting around.
The current crop of top managers genuinely enjoy coaching. I'm guessing he isn't that interested in the whole transfer side of the business he's more interested in what he can do to influence the players he has. He's then happy to let the club give him better players to coach.You should be happy but it's not a coincidence that your structure started to really make sense when Klopp entered the building, use United as a bad example and always keep that in mind. From what I understand Klopp was aware of his own limitations and suggested the structure that would help him be successful while we hired arrogant buffoons who are convinced that they know everything.
I was talking about the others, the ones that failed. For me Ole is an unknown quantity.I think Ole is not an arrogant buffon but the problem is we don't have a proper structure. If any.
And that's why I wanted a young manager, outside of Heynckes I can't even name a manager that was in the second part of his career and found success in a new top club. It's not that common for +50 years old managers to have success at the top in new environments.The current crop of top managers genuinely enjoy coaching. I'm guessing he isn't that interested in the whole transfer side of the business he's more interested in what he can do to influence the players he has. He's then happy to let the club give him better players to coach.
It's the same with Poch who's content at Spurs even if they spend nothing. The likes of Mourinho absolve themselves of their coaching accountability, and throw their playing staff under the bus.
I know you did.I was talking about the others, the ones that failed. For me Ole is an unknown quantity.
And that's why I wanted a young manager, outside of Heynckes I can't even name a manager that was in the second part of his career and found success in a new top club. It's not that common for +50 years old managers to have success at the top in new environments.
We did that with Jose. Turned out well I believeSign world class manager and give him complete freedom
Well, we could talk about how much freedom he had.We did that with Jose. Turned out well I believe
fixedSign world class manager who fits with the philosophy of the club and give him complete freedom
Yeah, that’s the painful truth.This doesn't apply to Liverpool, truth be told they simply hired a good coach, nothing else.
He signed pretty much who he wanted, had freedom to trash players in the media, had freedom to implement a free flowing style that Utd is used to. He appointed Carrick and McKenna as coaches....Well, we could talk about how much freedom he had.
I’ve said that before, just look at some of the players we have signed in the past from smaller clubs:There's serious talent at clubs much smaller than yours. Liverpool know it. United merely used to know it.
Agree with you totally on this, what makes me mad when watching United today is the lack of effort by many of the players. Of course you need talent but there is no matter how much talent you have if you do not do the basic work. One could argue that Henderson,Milner,Robertson,Winjaldum,Origi are not the most talented footballers out there but they sure did play well yesterday in a clear system setup by Klopp. I hate seeing players like Pogba and Martial with all the talent in the world but a lack of workrate that´s just terrible. Ronaldo for all the talent he has is a great example of a top sportsman doing all the right things in taking care of himself and giving his all in a game. He talks about being toughend up by Fergie methods and being kicked constantly in training. Why? To get him ready for what was coming. I´m not sure many of the currenct squad give much of an effort in training. It´s staggering that fitness wise and running wise we seem lightyears behind the other top teams. How can that be at a club like ours?I’ve said that before, just look at some of the players we have signed in the past from smaller clubs:
M Phealen. Norwich
S Bruce. Norwich
P Parker. QPR
V Anderson. Forrest, or was it Arsenal, any way smaller clubs
B McClair. Celtic
G Pallister. Middlesbrough
R Keane. Forrest
B Robson. West Brom
D Irwin. Oldham
The Greenhoff brothers from Stoke.
S Coppel. Tranmere Rovers
The list isn’t exhaustive and there maybe some spelling mistakes. However each one of those players was a success, some more than others but they each played a part in achieving greatness for this club of ours.
And all are British, they knew the clubs history before they even joined they weren’t some Jonny from abroad with a fancy name who just wants too see how much money they can get, they wanted to play for the club, they were proud to play for the club, proud that they had been spotted and that Manchester United wanted them.
Is it too much to ask to get black to basics?