If someone tell you before the start of the season, that United would be 2nd place and 5 points behind the league leader, would you have taken it?
To put things in perspective...
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No and I doubt SAF would have done either.
Probably not.
But we have played most of the top sides (admittedly mainly at home) so maybe.
But we have played most of the top sides (admittedly mainly at home) so maybe.
In the context of us having played all of the top 6, I reckon I would. Without any context whatsoever then yeah...no thanks. It wouldn't be the end of the world given how we do in the second half anyway, and given how many times we've come back from a slow start, but being 5 points off the top isn't something I'd jump at the chance to take. This team's better than that.
That's not really putting things in perspective though is it.
If someone had told you that we'd be second in th league, 5 points behind City after being spanked 6-1 at home would you have taken that?
I know I wouldnt.
No amount of make-up will make this result look alright
Would have taken 20 out of 27 points considering that we played all the top teams, but not being five points behind "them".
Depends on how you look at it but as things stand City dont look like getting beat anytime soon and we just got humiliated by them.
We already have a thread on this. and i'l say what i said there.
we do not need a "would you have taken it if..... at the start of the season" thing everytime we drop points. we had a thread like this after the stoke game, another one after yesterday. a bit pointless really.
we do not need a "would you have taken it if..... at the start of the season" thing everytime we drop points. we had a thread like this after the stoke game, another one after yesterday. a bit pointless really.
Absolutely not....... At this point of the season, five points is huge, especially considering the team in front of us have just beat us at home, and given that we have yet to go there and get a result.......
Sorry if that's confusing, but we do have to go to City and get a result later on in the season. You cannot assume that they're going to drop enough points in order that we might make up three points which we've conceded at home to them. If the title is down to a few points, and it's City who are leading, it stands of obvious reason that the title could come down to how we performed against them..... Losing at OT is a blow, but losing to perennial title contenders is even tougher....
The way you said it makes it sound like we have yet to go there and get a result, which we have done before. Thats what i meant.
Oh, I see. Sorry, that wasn't my implication. My worry is that, due to losing at OT, there will be ample pressure to go there later this season and retrieve back the points we lost... On the plus side, we are better (generally) later in the season and are somewhat specialists in performing when pressure counts the most.
I have no doubt that we can go there and win...... The frustration of losing at home, period, is getting to me, let alone losing to "them"....
I know exactly how you feel.
Maybe yesterday was the revenge for all the late goals we have nicked off them. fecking hurts mind!!
Looking at the teams we played so early I would have taken that. People moaning about it are planks. We have won from this position before, and even in a worse off position. Teams will take points off City, and they have yet to play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool once unlike us.
It is a long ass season, I'm very confident we will still be in the hunt come the back end of the season. 9 games in and already people moaning about having to get a result at COMS
It is a long ass season, I'm very confident we will still be in the hunt come the back end of the season. 9 games in and already people moaning about having to get a result at COMS
Yeah, you're not kidding. I suppose in some ways it confirmed to me what I have thought to be true for a long time.... That the 4-4-2 system, although still effective at times, is limited and becoming less reliable and relevant as a system. This game just confirmed what I had believed for a long time. I think that for all of Fergie''s achievements in recent years (brilliant though they are), they have taken some of the spotlight off the evidence that despite managing to win trophies..... These achievements have been a proverbial bandage over a deep wound, so to speak. The tactical problems still are there, even at the best of times. I still worry about three man midfield's consistently having the lions share of possession against us, and I don't see how we can sufficiently deal with teams that press high up the field against us (Barcelona), with only two men in midfield as options to play it out of danger and retaining possession.
Obviously not. I've been putting yesterdays result in perspective ever since but the champions should not gladly take being 5 points behind the leaders. The leaders being city doesn't even factor in. A team that are the champions will never be hapoy 5 points behind.
It's actually a bit weird being 5 points behind becAuse our start was so majestic.
It's actually a bit weird being 5 points behind becAuse our start was so majestic.
I would have taken it if we played the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea AWAY from home. Its no great achievement beating them at home as its what is to be expected from title challengers. Our two most challenging away fixtures were Stoke and Liverpool, we failed to win either.
Even though we have played the top 5, four of those matches were at home where I would have expected us to win. It means our last few months of the season will be incredibily tough and we will in my view be relying on our strong mental reserve.
To put things in to perspective...
We got annihilated by our city rivals at home. No amount of spin will change that or make it feel any better.
However, younger players will learn from it and move on and I'm sure we'll respondin the right way in the coming weeks.
We're Manchester United, thats what we do.
We got annihilated by our city rivals at home. No amount of spin will change that or make it feel any better.
However, younger players will learn from it and move on and I'm sure we'll respondin the right way in the coming weeks.
We're Manchester United, thats what we do.
whats wrong with that, we have to go there to get result , city will be right up there challenging for the title they are not going to fall away that easily with the squad they now have got, perhaps you guys are not used to see us playing catch-up to them, but no need to be deluded and deny about it.Looking at the teams we played so early I would have taken that. People moaning about it are planks. We have won from this position before, and even in a worse off position. Teams will take points off City, and they have yet to play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool once unlike us.
It is a long ass season, I'm very confident we will still be in the hunt come the back end of the season. 9 games in and already people moaning about having to get a result at COMS
Ditto
Worrying about it now is pointless. As I said they still have to play some of the better sides. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. Could be that they need a result as their ground to keep in the title race. As Ronnie likes to say, "only god knows....".
Lets concentrate on our own game, rather than the variables leading up to our meeting come May.
to put things in perspective.....
we need to get our asses into gear and i think we'll do it
I can never remember a time in my 33 years when Manchester United were jeered and mocked so muchby the ABUs. Fergie has said its his worst ever defeat in football and it has to be the most humiliating moment of Rooney, Rio, Evra and the rests careers......
everyone has written us off, city are champions elect, etc etc....
its time we showed the other teams what we're made of - get a few good wins, a couple of clean sheets, get our confidence back and I can see us going on a great run
it was only 3 points
we need to get our asses into gear and i think we'll do it
I can never remember a time in my 33 years when Manchester United were jeered and mocked so muchby the ABUs. Fergie has said its his worst ever defeat in football and it has to be the most humiliating moment of Rooney, Rio, Evra and the rests careers......
everyone has written us off, city are champions elect, etc etc....
its time we showed the other teams what we're made of - get a few good wins, a couple of clean sheets, get our confidence back and I can see us going on a great run
it was only 3 points
Well, we've played City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool and have only lost one. As well as going to Stoke and Bolton and getting 4 points.
City still have to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool twice.
Im sure we were like 8 points behind Chelsea around this time last year.
And wont City lose Toure for ACON in January which will be an important period and hes a very important player to them.
Nothings won and lost in October. Always sucks losing to them but sucks even more the manner in which it happened. But as Mancini himself said, it will mean nothing should they not win the title. If we win the title, the 6-1 will just be another scoreline like the 4-1 loss to Liverpool or the 2-1 loss to City on the 50th anniversary match.
City still have to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool twice.
Im sure we were like 8 points behind Chelsea around this time last year.
And wont City lose Toure for ACON in January which will be an important period and hes a very important player to them.
Nothings won and lost in October. Always sucks losing to them but sucks even more the manner in which it happened. But as Mancini himself said, it will mean nothing should they not win the title. If we win the title, the 6-1 will just be another scoreline like the 4-1 loss to Liverpool or the 2-1 loss to City on the 50th anniversary match.
It really was a freak result. We started applying a bit of pressure just before half time, so I was optimistic we could get something especially as we were at home.
However, the red card put an end to that and we were clueless thereafter. No tracking back and spent most of the half chasing shadows against a tactically superior City team. The fact we were still charging upfield like lunatics, after they scored the 4th, leaving huge spaces behind us allowing City to pick us off with ease was unforgivable.
In some ways it was a similar result to the 8-2 win against Arsenal. We received rave reviews but Arsenal's performance, abysmal tactics and capitulation was mirrored by ourselves against City.
Our response has to be swift and will indicate how much damage this has done.
However, the red card put an end to that and we were clueless thereafter. No tracking back and spent most of the half chasing shadows against a tactically superior City team. The fact we were still charging upfield like lunatics, after they scored the 4th, leaving huge spaces behind us allowing City to pick us off with ease was unforgivable.
In some ways it was a similar result to the 8-2 win against Arsenal. We received rave reviews but Arsenal's performance, abysmal tactics and capitulation was mirrored by ourselves against City.
Our response has to be swift and will indicate how much damage this has done.
Good point, perspective is our 8-2 win against the arse.
The other thing that hasn't been accepted in here is the fact City really do have a quality squad and a good manager.
The other thing that hasn't been accepted in here is the fact City really do have a quality squad and a good manager.
Exactly. Remember October 1996?
Following a tight game against Liverpool, we took on lowly European opposition and recorded a 2-0 victory. Next up was a match against one of our biggest challengers for the title, which we lost by a five goal margin.
Now, I know that's a fairly superficial comparison with this year, but the 0-5 against Newcastle was the start of one of our biggest "blips" under Fergie, and was followed in the League by the infamous 6-3 loss to Southampton and a 1-0 defeat to Chelsea. Despite that run, we still came out on top at the end of the season.
I don't know if we're due such a blip now, but it's way too early to panic (even if we emerge from the tunnel on Saturday in a grey kit...).
Well I bloody well would of not taken it.
Some need to get a grip on here , we have lost ONE game.
OK so we lost to City and heavily but it is one game and 3 points.
If it was later in the season m,I would be more worried , but its 8 games in to the season.
This isn't the last laugh. We could easily end up playing them in every competition this season. We can't pretend such a heavy home defeat isn't anything other than horrible to take but I'll accept winning the league and knocking them out of the Champions League as fairly decent revenge. For now.
They've had a fantastic result but it didn't leave me with a feeling of hopelessness like the final against Barcelona in May. There was nothing we could do to stop that team on that night and we did well to keep the score at 1-3 then with 11 men. Yesterday, our 10 men were still trying to make a match of it with five minutes to go at the same scoreline. City took advantage with their counter attacking and that was that.
We have to take all the pisstakes that come our way and get on with business.
They've had a fantastic result but it didn't leave me with a feeling of hopelessness like the final against Barcelona in May. There was nothing we could do to stop that team on that night and we did well to keep the score at 1-3 then with 11 men. Yesterday, our 10 men were still trying to make a match of it with five minutes to go at the same scoreline. City took advantage with their counter attacking and that was that.
We have to take all the pisstakes that come our way and get on with business.
It's funny how things go but actually United were much the better side the first 30 minutes but comitted Arsenal like suicide after that.
We'll thrash them at their place and get even.
We'll thrash them at their place and get even.