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Keano isn't known for tolerating shite.Why?, would it be a problem?.
Keano isn't known for tolerating shite.Why?, would it be a problem?.
Its his main talent, but he's regressed considerably in terms of passing with any real ambition beyond retaining possession, and he was never the most expansive player to begin with. IMO its not so much that he's stylistically wrong for us as that he's too limited to merit a regular place in any top side.OK, he is actually better than most at this, the problem is that we really need a CM who can run with the ball as well and take defenders on with the ball. Thats his weakness. His ability to keep the ball moving is very good. There are tons of CM's who are not as effective at circulating the ball, fecking hell if you cant see the CM's we already have who dont do it as well no wonder people are confused. .
They exist for everybody. This isn't a hypothetical, the extent of the pressure is hypothetical. No fan in their right mind should be upset at a player for not wanting to uproot his entire family for a move.Neither of us even know his exact family situation so it's pointless talking hypothetically. We don't know if family 'pressures' even exist in his case.
Stay classy.So the mirror are reporting he'd rather go on loan. I hope we tell him to feck off.
I will. Rather you know the club get money to recoup from him rather than him going on a free.Stay classy.
Plus Keane as a player and a manager is most frustrated about losing possession. As long as Cleverley is effective with the ball I am sure he will not have a major issue with him.You dont think it is possible that Lambert and Keane want Cleverley for Cleverleys strengths?. If they wanted a hard arse tackler they wouldnt be going in for Cleverley would they?
You dont think Keane is capable of more than just one element of his playing personality?
This. Don't think we should be even offering a loan as an option for any of the players we want rid of, unless we really can't shift them permanently.Loaning him would be pointless. Just sell him.
Oh feck off with your loan move Tom, your're shite and we don't want ya.
Leave your girlfriend though, we can throw her in with 200k/week to coax Vidal.
At Cleverley's level it's probably a penny for three!His style of play might suit Spanish football but I'd say players like him are a dime a dozen in Spain. Similar to what Guardiola said of Wilshere and Barcelona graduates from La Maria.
A bit worse than pointless. He's got a year left on his contract - loan him out and he can walk next summer for free, pocketing a very nice signing on fee to sweeten the deal.Loaning him would be pointless. Just sell him.
Exactly, whilst we lose £8m.A bit worse than pointless. He's got a year left on his contract - loan him out and he can walk next summer for free, pocketing a very nice signing on fee to sweeten the deal.
The guy's got more balls at the negotiating table than on the field.
I suppose its surprising to find out he has any at all.A bit worse than pointless. He's got a year left on his contract - loan him out and he can walk next summer for free, pocketing a very nice signing on fee to sweeten the deal.
The guy's got more balls at the negotiating table than on the field.
Eh wtf?Oh feck off with your loan move Tom, your're shite and we don't want ya.
Leave your girlfriend though, we can throw her in with 200k/week to coax Vidal.
We all know she was a bonus from United when we thought he was gonna turn out like Wilshere (before the leg break)Eh wtf?
@Red Phoenix Rising will defend Cleverley to the death. I hope he fvcks off to Villa but its unlikely now isn't it? Stuck with him. Bummer.I will. Rather you know the club get money to recoup from him rather than him going on a free.
Yeah, it's mad just how obsessed he is about not wanting anyone to have a negative opinion of him. I think he might be a relative. I'd say it was Cleverley himself but RPR seems to be fairly intelligent and I reckon Cleverley would be thick as pig shit.@Red Phoenix Rising will defend Cleverley to the death. I hope he fvcks off to Villa but its unlikely now isn't it? Stuck with him. Bummer.
Yeah, it's mad just how obsessed he is about not wanting anyone to have a negative opinion of him. I think he might be a relative. I'd say it was Cleverley himself but RPR seems to be fairly intelligent and I reckon Cleverley would be thick as pig shit.
How old are you? So uptight my man. Some of us call a spade a spade. Do you rate every player on our team? What do you think of Anderson huh?Yes, lets all get together and say silly things and laugh at each other. That's what the bestest fans do. Tell players to feck off and call them shit every chance they get.
Rather juvenile.
He can feck off. He's shit.How old are you? So uptight my man. Some of us call a spade a spade. Do you rate every player on our team? What do you think of Anderson huh?
You're just being juvenile. Anderson deserves respect!He can feck off. He's shit.
Yes, lets all get together and say silly things and laugh at each other. That's what the bestest fans do. Tell players to feck off and call them shit every chance they get.
Rather juvenile.
Calling a player who has far from justified his wages and hasn't turned up since the 8-2 vs Arsenal, shit, isn't juvenile though.Yes, lets all get together and say silly things and laugh at each other. That's what the bestest fans do. Tell players to feck off and call them shit every chance they get.
Rather juvenile.
To be fair, you could probably count the United players who have justified their wages on one hand.Calling a player who has far from justified his wages and hasn't turned up since the 8-2 vs Arsenal, shit, isn't juvenile though.
Cleverley has overstayed his welcome I'm afraid. I would've loved for him to use his beginning of 11/12 form as a platform to succeed, but it's not going to happen, at least at United.
Maybe he's been playing shit because United don't know how to use him. He was excellent before joining the team and a full England international. You build systems around the talents of your players, and you don't shoehorn players into a system that doesn't work for them. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Tom Cleverley thrive at another team. Time will tell, I suppose. Good luck to him, wherever he lands.@Red Phoenix Rising what compels you to stick up for our Tom so much? He's shit. We've all seen it. We should just grab the £8/9million and run. Admit it. It'll make you feel much better, I promise.
You need to get a grip.Yes, lets all get together and say silly things and laugh at each other. That's what the bestest fans do. Tell players to feck off and call them shit every chance they get.
Rather juvenile.
I admit his confidence must've taken a massive knock after being made a scapegoat and his own fans taking the piss, but he's never had pure quality. He was decent at Wigan, but that doesn't show much at all. His shooting and passing technique is woeful, too.Maybe he's been playing shit because United don't know how to use him. He was excellent before joining the team and a full England international. You build systems around the talents of your players, and you don't shoehorn players into a system that doesn't work for them. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Tom Cleverley thrive at another team. Time will tell, I suppose. Good luck to him, wherever he lands.
I agree that it's also to do with a lack of confidence. His passing used to be stellar.I admit his confidence must've taken a massive knock after being made a scapegoat and his own fans taking the piss, but he's never had pure quality. He was decent at Wigan, but that doesn't show much at all. His shooting and passing technique is woeful, too.
Good Lord, need to watch a few Michael Laudrup clips to get over that.
He hasn't been up to it for awhile really. Think it's out of frustration that he's still on the books rather than hatred.What is it about Tom Cleverley that brings out a nasty side of our fans?
I mean fair enough he hasn't met our expectations, but he wouldn't be the first nor last to not make it here. The vitriol here is pathetic.