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Transgender Athletes
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Guys it’s a waste of time talking to Carolina Red. He has this weird fascination about cis girl scholarships - because clearly they’re the most important thing about the entire trans rights discussion, and god forbid trans girls have the actual audacity to take one or two of them away from, you know, ‘proper’ girls.
How he is still ‘moderating’ this thread is frankly beyond me but there we go
How he is still ‘moderating’ this thread is frankly beyond me but there we go
Always a pleasure, step.
was just looking at her 100 m times, we have local school boy athletes in 10 -13 age division running times faster than her. Quite interesting
one of if not our biggest sports events in Jamaica is a "school sport". Its extremely tribal, fierce competitive and seen as a stepping stone for our athletes to go on to better things. To say its "schools sports " like its some random playground rodeo is crazy i think. These are where the likes of Shelly-ann Fraser , Veronica Campbell, Elaine Thompson-Hera are born. Well at least for us.
I mean, you just described a horrible system, if young kids rely on being good at sports to move up in life. Why on earth would we want to aspire to that?
If that's her average time do you think it's fair to put her up against transgender athletes who are more powerful athletes and will have a better average?
"Common sense" etc right, no need for science when common sense is involved in saying they are more powerful.
I was talking about how they make it big in track and field, its actually a beautiful system as all schools on the island compete against each other in a variety of events similar to olympics, If you attend school and are good at a sport within your age range and sex then you have a chance to compete at the national arena infront of thousands of people. I never said young kids needed to be good at sports to move up in life, i suck at sports and im doing fine
Fair enough, I misinterpreted from you saying it was fierce and tribal.I was talking about how they make it big in track and field, its actually a beautiful system as all schools on the island compete against each other in a variety of events similar to olympics, If you attend school and are good at a sport within your age range and sex then you have a chance to compete at the national arena infront of thousands of people. I never said young kids needed to be good at sports to move up in life, i suck at sports and im doing fine
Lets put it this way, I think there is a huge advantage to going through puberty as a male vs female when it comes to 100 m. To me Shelly Ann Fraser is the greatest sprint athlete to ever exists and she would still lose to the 15 year old boys that run in our local school sports competition.
While this is undoubtedly true, what does it say about the core of the souls of athletes who compete as men against men, generally to a mediocre level, but then transition and are very eager to compete against women knowing they now have a big advantage?
No worries,
And let me put it this way.. what if Usain Bolt decides to transition and wants to compete in women's division?
Do you think it's fair for women to compete against other women?
Would you compete against women?
Sure, but I'm not a woman, nor a professional, semi-professional or even amateur athlete
What's that got to do with this discussion anyways?
It would make a mockery of womens track and field, something as a Jamaican i feel very strongly about. I dont think anyone that transitioned to female after puberty should compete in female track events. Even with the current WA restrictions in place the test levels are just too high, the biological advantage is too much .I cant speak for other sports , but for track , going through puberty as a man is a lasting advantage. If you are a transwoman and merely doing similar times as cis women in track to me it shows you actually had no business being in track in the first place, its like putting an 18 year old to run against 10 year olds and they run similar times for some reason and we think...well that was totally fine.
Yeah, I was too lazy to look it up but thanks for saving me the work.
I would take it but as above, someone already proved my point.
Btw. as I'm seeing the discussion. If transgender bring down the clusterfeck that is the US higher education and scholarship system then wohaaaa, even more power to them!
Biologically you're not a woman should be the correct statement. There's nothing wrong with identifying and transitioning into a woman but your biologically makeup isn't that of a biological woman. Genetics cannot be changed. A biological man will always have the strength and power superior to a biological woman. Nothing can change that. A person can identify as whoever they want but it won't make them weaker or stronger.
What that says is you don't genuinely consider trans-women, women. Usain Bolt had massive genetic, physical advantages over every other person he competed against. Should we have excluded him from competing?
I get the desire to protect cis women athletes, there is no easy or simple solution here, but not at the cost of denying an entire group of people their identity
I'm weaker and slower than Bolt. Should Bolt be forbidden from competing against me because of it?
And no. The correct statement is I'm not a woman. Biology has nothing to do with it
The next person to use the term biological woman is going on ignore. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here, though it's disheartening
One of the issues with
I would put a cavoite here, and say on average. You have lots of women stronger than certain men
Didn't realize you were Jamaican. I love your country. I just got back from vacation there and I want to go back already.
I fully understand what you mean and it's the right thing to do here would be to have a category for transgenders to compete in. Fair is fair.
In competitive sports it matters and you wouldn't be able to compete against Bolt because you wouldn't qualify to compete in the same category as him. By all means put me on ignore it hardly matters to me if you read my posts
What percentage? 1%, 2%?
no he shouldn't be banned because like the others he is competing with, he was born a man , went through puberty as a man and is the best of that particular biological make up. He eats the food hes allowed to eat that doesn't give him an advantage over others, he (based on blood work) doesn't use any drugs that would give him an unfair advantage over any other male. He has no advantage over them other than hes the fecking goat male athlete. The whole point of sport is to find out who is the best of a certain class. And when he was competeing he was the best, as currently is another Jamaican Shelly-Ann fraser Price, the greatest ATHLETE (not just female) to exist in my opinion. Shelly only exists because of classing her as female which comes with parameters to which transwomen do not fall into.
you want inclusion do away with male and female sport. Just have one big fecking pot with men women, transmen transwomen you name it. But untill that happens, I personally think that transwomen should not be in the same race as ciswomen when it comes to track .
I dunno but its not 0.. Im sure @Carolina Red can find a CIS woman to kick yours and my ass
I’ve coached a few decent ones.Which limiting sports by sex does not do.
As we're always being told, gender is not the same as sex.
I thought your bet was that she wasn’t good? She is good. She literally was the fastest in Connecticut twice and fastest in New England once.
This is the only answer, absolutely no reason why there should be anything other
Transgender athletes can compete in their own fields
And men saying they’re women can stop taking the future away from gifted female athletes
I find the "MJ/Messi/Bolt/etc" argument quite disingenious. As a man you know you're competing against another man and you know that he may be more talented or has freak genetics like Phelps. But at the end of the day, it's man vs man.
I would like to say that if she is the fastest in Connecticut , Connecticut sucks
Again...you are then denying the identity of an entire group of people on the basis of possibly/probably having an inherent natural advantage over other people of their same gender. Even if you don't realize it, you're saying transwomen are not really women. That's what it comes down to
I get the counter argument that if trans women start dominating sports that might negatively impact the engagement of cis women with sports. Are we at that point already? And if we are, what's more important here? The vast majority of people who play sports don't turn pro, and even among those who do, it's always a very small select few who reach the top. It's not like there isn't already a natural selection largely based on genetics, geography(place of birth is unfortunately very important still, due to uneven resources/funding), etc
I mean… Jamaica can say that about almost anyoneI would like to say that if she is the fastest in Connecticut , Connecticut sucks