Was it not stupid to make the final at Wembley last time around knowing this 150 years bullshit would be soon anyway ?
UEFA Champions League Group Stage Draw 2012/13
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Poor Dortmund. Have a fantastic team but have had shit draws two years in a row.
I'm pleased with the draw, could have been a lot worse.
Hate Galatasaray so hope we put a few past them, fancy us and Braga to qualify
Hate Galatasaray so hope we put a few past them, fancy us and Braga to qualify
It's Uefa. Probably.
Might be her accent. Doesn't matter anyway. Sounds better her way.
United have LFC, CFC, Newcastle, Villa, City aways and QPR home following European ties. Bloody hell.
Good news is that City will be in Dortmund before the Derby.
Good news is that City will be in Dortmund before the Derby.
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| 15-09, 15.00 | Wigan | H | Premier League 04 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 19-09, 19.45 | Galatasaray | H | Champions League GS1 | : |[/COLOR]
| 23-09, 13.30 | Liverpool | A | Premier League 05 | : |
| xx-09, xx.xx | TBD | - | League Cup R3 | : |
| 29-09, 17.30 | Tottenham | H | Premier League 06 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 02-10, 19.45 | CFR Cluj | A | Champions League GS2 | : |[/COLOR]
| 07-10, 16.00 | Newcastle | A | Premier League 07 | : |
| 20-10, 15.00 | Stoke City | H | Premier League 08 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 23-10, 19.45 | SC Braga | H | Champions League GS3 | : |[/COLOR]
| 28-10, 16.00 | Chelsea | A | Premier League 09 | : |
| 03-11, 12.45 | Arsenal | H | Premier League 10 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 07-11, 19.45 | SC Braga | A | Champions League GS4 | : |[/COLOR]
| 10-11, 17.30 | Aston Villa | A | Premier League 11 | : |
| 17-11, 17.30 | Norwich | A | Premier League 12 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 20-11, 19.45 | Galatasaray | A | Champions League GS5 | : |[/COLOR]
| 24-11, 15.00 | QPR | H | Premier League 13 | : |
| 28-11, 20.00 | West Ham | H | Premier League 14 | : |
| 01-12, xx.xx | Reading | A | Premier League 15 | : |
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]| 05-12, 19.45 | CFR Cluj | H | Champions League GS6 | : |[/COLOR]
| 08-12, xx.xx | Man City | A | Premier League 16 | : |We blame the league for this, but the fixtures are made before the CL draw. Uefa then decide when their games are played. It doesn't seem fair but it just tough. The only fair thing would be for all CL teams games to be cancelled before away games or played on Friday before. PL would not agree to that as we are a big TV draw.
We also have four aways in two weeks in November.
this is maybe the best post in Bluemoons's CL Draw thread.
The Rags can rest players for more important league games when they are playing Europe's equivalent of The Dog and Duck. Their group looks even easier than the one they somehow failed to qualify from last year.
We will have to go all out in every game to try to qualify from the group of death. It will no doubt impact on our league form.
I can't understand anybody actually wanting a hard draw in a cup competition.
You want nice holidays and days out? Then join the fecking Women's Institute or the caravan club. I want my team to win, I don't give two shiny shits about smoking skunk in Amsterdam or getting pissed in Germany
The Rags can rest players for more important league games when they are playing Europe's equivalent of The Dog and Duck. Their group looks even easier than the one they somehow failed to qualify from last year.
We will have to go all out in every game to try to qualify from the group of death. It will no doubt impact on our league form.
I can't understand anybody actually wanting a hard draw in a cup competition.
You want nice holidays and days out? Then join the fecking Women's Institute or the caravan club. I want my team to win, I don't give two shiny shits about smoking skunk in Amsterdam or getting pissed in Germany
He needs to chill the feck out. Prob an armchair fan (like myself).
Yep that could have been a lot worse. Home ties before the Liverpool (who will be playing Thursday night), Chelsea and City games are all we could have asked for really.
Home games before the trips to Anfield, the Bridge and Eastlands is a great development, can't believe we wrangled that.
Why did Cluj go straight into our group?
Because they have a new stupid rule that means teams from the same country wont all play on the same day the same week, and there were already German teams playing on the same weekday schedule as in our group, meaning Dortmund as the only other team left couldnt join our group...
Makes a mockery of the whole idea of having a draw if you ask me.
I agree. Just draw out of one bowl and see what happens. It's rigged and annoying that the same teams tend to get through.
Imagine a bowl without seedings?
anyone here go on the away to amsterdam last year - i'd bet that was great fun
great draw for us - win our first 3 then rest/rotate heavily
great draw for us - win our first 3 then rest/rotate heavily
They'd never be able to string it out over two hours though.
Well technically the Premier League could ensure that every Champions League and Europa League team plays on the Saturday before European ties, and the Sunday or Monday after European ties. There are 6 group games set out in 3 sets of two with each set having a League Cup tie in between them.
So all 7 teams could play International- -Saturday-European-Sun/Mon-League Cup-Saturday-European-Sun- -International
It's actually pretty weird that they don't
Not really. Would you honestly want Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Barcelona and Real Madrid to play on the same days every week? It's bad enough as it is.
If a nation has two teams in the draw, one plays on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. They make this work by dividing the draw in two.
If a nation has four teams in the draw, two play of Tuesday and two play on Wednesday. Again they make this work by dividing the draw in two.
Seedings are fine. Teams from the same country not meeting each other in the group stages is fine.
Accomodating for the needs and wants of television companies from the different countries by making a basically semi-rigged draw that auto-completes itself after the two top seeding brackets have been drawn is not fine.
Accomodating for the needs and wants of television companies from the different countries by making a basically semi-rigged draw that auto-completes itself after the two top seeding brackets have been drawn is not fine.
How do we know the fixtures? Have they been announced? I cant find anything.
Also dont usual the top two seeds play each other first and last?
Also dont usual the top two seeds play each other first and last?
That would be impossible as those teams except City are all first seeds and thus make it into different groups playing on different days / weeks. The best teams would never play all on the same day even if they scrapped this system.
And even if they did, I wouldnt care. We see United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham all playing on the same two days every weekend without anyone complaining.
Cheers. I though you were just guessing.
Well no they aren't. City aren't at least. So under your idea you could still have Chelsea, City, United, Arsenal and Barcelona on the same day.
The rules have been this way for a long time now.
I feel insulted.Cheers. I though you were just guessing.
Accommodating Television by keeping teams from the same country from two different halves doesn't actually affect the chances of getting any one team, or any single group. It just looks like it does.
Cluj booked
7 hours on a fecking train FFS, last time i let my mate book it
7 hours on a fecking train FFS, last time i let my mate book it
Might be a good time - given last year's shambles and this year's draw - to show Europe that we are a force to be reckoned with again. 5 wins, a draw and roughly 12-16 goals would be a statement at least.
After some quick maths it seems you are correct robocop
Should be a good trip that. It's a nice city.Cluj booked
7 hours on a fecking train FFS, last time i let my mate book it
Braga too ain't half bad.
another from an idiot at Bluemoon.
Before we play Arsenal in the league we play Real Madrid
Before we play Chelsea in the league we play Real Madrid
Before we play the rags in the league we play Dortmund
Coincidence? I think not. We are being shafted.
Before we play Arsenal in the league we play Real Madrid
Before we play Chelsea in the league we play Real Madrid
Before we play the rags in the league we play Dortmund
Coincidence? I think not. We are being shafted.
Yeah, that's what Champions League means, especially if you're in Pot 2.
They'll always find a good reason to moan, that's European football, ladies and gentlemen.
They'll always find a good reason to moan, that's European football, ladies and gentlemen.
Going Braga. Gonna do my upmost best to get to Cluj. Anybody got any routes yet? Hard place to get too!
Braga £62 return from Stansted. Fly to Porto, train to Braga 15 euro!
Braga £62 return from Stansted. Fly to Porto, train to Braga 15 euro!
Jesus.
I expect City will go through as runners-up, and hopefully draw Barcelona
Agree with sympathising with Dortmund - they get themselves into the competition with hard work, developing players, great management and even better fan support, only to get drawn against two of the biggest spenders in European football
Also, not only do I expect us to win the group, I want us go through with a 100% win record - really make a statement after last year.
Would be sweet, and really we should be aiming for that.I expect City will go through as runners-up, and hopefully draw Barcelona
Agree with sympathising with Dortmund - they get themselves into the competition with hard work, developing players, great management and even better fan support, only to get drawn against two of the biggest spenders in European football
Also, not only do I expect us to win the group, I want us go through with a 100% win record - really make a statement after last year.