I like that. I think people could spam places like the Daily Mail website and try to get press stories about it. That negative energy will get back to the club.Its a great idea. All movements have to start somewhere. Once #unfollowunited has a few thousand members it will become much easier to organise collective action.
I've already had a couple of ideas;
- Get the #unfollowunited members to bombard Official Manchester United sponsors with negative tweets. Even a few thousand negative messages would really put big brands off associating with United.
- Occupy OT. Rather than a walkout, where the impact is often lost, ask supporters to remain in their seats for a 7hrs after the game to symbolise 7yrs of failure. The progress of this could then be tracked on the Social Media account and it would also get media coverage
It is clear to me that the movement really needs "big name" endorsements and a clear set of goals. When we do get airtime, we need to be able to state clearly and articulately what it is we hope to achieve.
In my view, the goals should be clear;
- Prioritse the football over the continued commercialisation of the club
- Move Deadwood Woodward away from the football side of the club
- Glazer Family. Service the debt, make a commitment to a level of available funds every year. If they can't/won't - sell up!
We should also reach out and show solidarity with other fans of other clubs who are having their clubs taken away from them. I never once joined in the derision of the Arsenal Fan TV blokes because I could see we were heading in the same direction and we should be united in fighting NuFootball
It's taken Liverpool almost 3 years to get this point.Last night was the final straw for me, both City and Liverpool have spent all season showing us up so yeah unfollowed any United players on Insta and unfollowed all the clubs channels
Obviously it wont make a jot of difference but the last thing I want to see is our club putting out any PR. Whole club needs to go on lockdown, look at what our two greatest rivals have done this season, hang their head in shame and sort it the feck out ASAP
Times like this I wish we had ultrasLets just go full on Italian or Portuguese and storm the training ground, kidnap the players and set the place on fire...
You might as well ask me if I'm happy with the direction Man Utd is going in? This site is and always has been a reflection of the fans and their opinions, for better or worse.@Niall Are you happy with the direction Redcafe is going in? That it now resembles an opposition forum rather than a United one? Half the comments in this forum if said in a United pub would get the guy glassed. 20 years on this forum and it's almost unrecognisable, probably half the members, including the one's with high post counts, look to be undercover opposition fans by the constant attacks on the club and insulting of players. If it carries on like this I will have to #UnfollowRedcafe
To be frank, this is not something new.So it appears the club are paying for someone to create 'bot' accounts to keep the numbers up and save face, it's having an impact. Check this out:
Before the #unfollowUnited trend.
Bot accounts:
Steady decrease in followers with spikes where bot accounts followed United:
Current state showing no change in followers thanks to bot spikes:
Exactly. @Sterling Archer is the sort of poster who rarely if ever is critical of the club, hence I have probably got on the wrong side of him a few times - but when you have guys like that at the end of their tether, you know something is seriously wrong at this club and drastic action needs to be taken.You might as well ask me if I'm happy with the direction Man Utd is going in? This site is and always has been a reflection of the fans and their opinions, for better or worse.
Is it really surprising that there is a whole swath of people angry and upset about the position the club is in right now. Are you suggesting the site deletes all negative opinions, or opinions of a specific kind, as and when they are expressed?
Simple criteria: does it sound like what an oppo fan would say? Would they dare say it in a pub of United fans? If not, ban. There has been a mass infiltration. Perhaps Karma from our old forum invasions of many years ago...You might as well ask me if I'm happy with the direction Man Utd is going in? This site is and always has been a reflection of the fans and their opinions, for better or worse.
Is it really surprising that there is a whole swath of people angry and upset about the position the club is in right now. Are you suggesting the site deletes all negative opinions, or opinions of a specific kind, as and when they are expressed?
Worst post of the year contender right here.Simple criteria: does it sound like what an oppo fan would say? Would they dare say it in a pub of United fans? If not, ban. There has been a mass infiltration. Perhaps Karma from our old forum invasions of many years ago...
That’s fecking dumb.Simple criteria: does it sound like what an oppo fan would say? Would they dare say it in a pub of United fans? If not, ban. There has been a mass infiltration. Perhaps Karma from our old forum invasions of many years ago...
I think any rival fan that said anything negative about our team would get complete support from any United fan in the world at the moment.Worst post of the year contender right here.
That’s not so simple though is it. That’s a highly subjective criteria. You could say that any criticism of the club is an “oppo fan view” and so ban there and then. But this place doesn’t ban hammer dissenting opinion on sight. It never has and won’t. There are sites that do that but not this one.Simple criteria: does it sound like what an oppo fan would say? Would they dare say it in a pub of United fans? If not, ban. There has been a mass infiltration. Perhaps Karma from our old forum invasions of many years ago...
Can't you see what we are saying - the Board/Ed don't care about achieving success! They ONLY care about commercial revenues and sponsorships! Yes, that means to a certain extent, some money HAS to be invested in the playing squad in order for us to achieve European football and broaden our commercial appeal but that's the thing about parasites....they take, take, take from the Host....but never enough to kill them completely because then they die too!*When I say "you" here I'm talking generally, as in those who follow the #UnfollowUnited Movement.
This is getting beyond a joke and downright pathetic. Do everyone who does this really support the club. It smacks of desperation now.
You do realise that commercialisation is part of the fundamental financial running of the club right?
Without the commerical powerhouse that is Manchester United and it's many many many sponsors we wouldn't be able to spend half as much money as we currently do. Glazers have money yes but they don't have endless pot of it. Sponsors help pay the tea lady, the scouts, the office workers, the PR team, the transfers. By hunting down the sponsors you are in effect affecting everyone at Manchester United.
Do you think for one second that the board actually to not want to fix this mess we're in? They're happy to be in the dire position we find ourselves in? It's almost certain that they're working day in day out tirelessly to fix it and just because it's not how you want it or the immediate success (lets be honest City/Liverpool haven't been immediate successes) you're effectively throwing your toys out the pram.
Why do you think we're looking for a DoF? So Ed can move into the commercial side full time. We need Ed, he's the best in the business.
Also I love the way that almost everyone is blaming Ed for the transfers. Carragher said something similar on MNF, not for one second is Ed looking for players, signing them and giving them to the manager. No way is Ed doing that, absolutely absurd for that. Managers are going to him with a list of players and he goes out and gets them. With his blessing and the TEAM'S blessing. I.e: The recruitment team. Recruitment is a massive massive department it doesn't just consist of the manager and Ed.
I know!
Look at what we've become.
I fear that there will be a divide within the club's fan base (at least online and the wider supporters) match go-ers will always support the club through thick and thin.
- Trying to hurt the club we all know and love through this movement
- Calling for a club legends head and writing him off after a short 6months
- Moaning we aren't signing x,y,z but then when we are linked with x,y,z said player is only using us for levereage
This place has become a toxic lately and this whole #UnfollowUnited is an absolute joke.
I love this club and to see us fans like this is upsetting. We should all be rallying behind the manager and the club.
The board and the team want to fix this. It's a multimillion pound business (football is a business regardless what level you're at) and they won't be just using it as a play toy. They'll want to fix it. Exercise some patience!
So how bad does it need to get before you advocate doing something about it? What should we do....sit and watch whilst the parasitic owners kill our club?@Niall Are you happy with the direction Redcafe is going in? That it now resembles an opposition forum rather than a United one? Half the comments in this forum if said in a United pub would get the guy glassed. 20 years on this forum and it's almost unrecognisable, probably half the members, including the one's with high post counts, look to be undercover opposition fans by the constant attacks on the club and insulting of players. If it carries on like this I will have to #UnfollowRedcafe
If by "having an impact" you actually mean "having no discernible impact whatsoever" then I'm 100% in agreement with you.So it appears the club are paying for someone to create 'bot' accounts to keep the numbers up and save face, it's having an impact. Check this out:
Before the #unfollowUnited trend.
Bot accounts:
Steady decrease in followers with spikes where bot accounts followed United:
Current state showing no change in followers thanks to bot spikes:
If the club has taken to hiring a bot farm to keep the numbers up they're at least aware of it as negative publicity.If by "having an impact" you actually mean "having no discernible impact whatsoever" then I'm 100% in agreement with you.
Oh I think the club are aware that fans are unhappy. They don't need a hashtag to pick on that.If the club has taken to hiring a bot farm to keep the numbers up they're at least aware of it as negative publicity.
That's just how twitter is. It's one of the major downfalls of the platform, and it's something the creators are trying to battle - and failing thus far.So it appears the club are paying for someone to create 'bot' accounts to keep the numbers up and save face, it's having an impact. Check this out:
Before the #unfollowUnited trend.
Bot accounts:
Steady decrease in followers with spikes where bot accounts followed United:
Current state showing no change in followers thanks to bot spikes:
The "biggest club in the world" resorting to using twitter botsSo it appears the club are paying for someone to create 'bot' accounts to keep the numbers up and save face, it's having an impact. Check this out:
Before the #unfollowUnited trend.
Bot accounts:
Steady decrease in followers with spikes where bot accounts followed United:
Current state showing no change in followers thanks to bot spikes:
Who says it has to be the club? Could be anyone.If the club has taken to hiring a bot farm to keep the numbers up they're at least aware of it as negative publicity.
Me, for example.That's just how twitter is. It's one of the major downfalls of the platform, and it's something the creators are trying to battle - and failing thus far.
It's not likely that the club created a bot farm within the last 1-2 days, and more likely that twitter is awash with bot accounts (it is)
Also a lot of people create twitter accounts without the intention to tweet, but to have access to twitter, so that's not to say that all accounts which are blank are all necessarily fake.
Who else has an interest at keeping the clubs followers up?Who says it has to be the club? Could be anyone.
Exactly. A lot of people do it because it takes 2 minutes to sign up, it doesn't mean their accounts are fake.Me, for example.
Care to explain the spikes in followers keeping the numbers the same?Exactly. A lot of people do it because it takes 2 minutes to sign up, it doesn't mean their accounts are fake.
Opposition fans on a wind up? It’s not hard to set up bots. I make money off it myself.Who else has an interest at keeping the clubs followers up?
Are those spikes something that didn’t happen before this campaign started? Otherwise they’re irrelevant.Care to explain the spikes in followers keeping the numbers the same?
Nah, the owners really want this club to win the league, play entertaining football etc. Woodward main concern is for this club to be successful on the pitch. Us being financially productive will come as an effect of our on pitch performances.... This can be supported by their numerous ambitious statements, compared to the owners/board at certain other clubs that have never made any public statements regarding wanting to win the league or CL.Can't you see what we are saying - the Board/Ed don't care about achieving success! They ONLY care about commercial revenues and sponsorships! Yes, that means to a certain extent, some money HAS to be invested in the playing squad in order for us to achieve European football and broaden our commercial appeal but that's the thing about parasites....they take, take, take from the Host....but never enough to kill them completely because then they die too!
If you can't see that we are trying to SAVE the football club, not hurt the football club, then we are coming at this from such polar ends of the spectrum that we'll never agree
I just cannot get my head around the fact that people STILL, in large numbers, defend the Glazers and repeat the same fallacies about investment, endeavour, commitment etc.....Let me be clear about this - the Glazers have not invested one single penny of their own money into Manchester United. All of OUR money, which they have re-invested, was done so purely to maintain a base level of standard JUST good enough to achieve Champions League football
FYI - as much as I dislike these players, my anger personally isn't directed at them and it CERTAINLY is not, nor has ever been, directed at any of our previous managers (check my posts).
Considering I haven't spent time watching the follower count of Man United; before #UnfollowManUnited was created and now in the aftermath, in order to make a direct and fair comparison - no.Care to explain the spikes in followers keeping the numbers the same?
It's not about not giving a toss, or earning 'top red' points by shouting loudest about how bad everything undoubtedly is, it's about what kind of impact this will have.Its posts like this that make me shake my head.
Instead of eating this rubbish we call United football, week in, week out, debating ourselves here half to death at the state of the club, I'd like to contribute to showing the owners who have been mismanaging this club I have been supporting since the early 1980s, that I dont like their handling of what was once considered the best team in world football.
Every single fan who voices their displeasure makes a difference and has potential to grow.
I hate the state of the club and I'm doing my part to let the owners know that.
If you dont give a toss, rather stay out of the discussion but let us United fans who want to voice our displeasure, do so. It may work, it may not, but at least we gave it a try.
Not only that, twitter is hiding the hashtag from trending and if you search for it you wont get the suggestion.The "biggest club in the world" resorting to using twitter bots
It would be effective if millions of people got behind it, that’s for sure. The 20k or so involved so far is just a drop in the ocean.I'm pretty sure most organisations use twitter bots these days, it probably won't even be the club directly but some PR firm we employ to manage our image.
I do agree with this type of campaign though it's probably more effective than stadium walkouts and the like.
FC united of manchester says hello.They're also the constant when we won under fergie. Nobody's complaining then.