This is a social media problem. I don't know if any of you guys follow United on facebook but the amount of mouth breathers that are barely literate that spit vile nonsense are about 95% of the comments on there. The normal people that have a fully functioning brain don't usually comment on United's posts i'd imagine. I've certainly never felt the need to. So, what you're left with is just a bunch of absolute morons posting hatred/venting their annoyance, and nothing else. It does tend to warp the way, not just ours, but all fan bases are seen. Especially with football being such a popular sport and the tend of special kind cretin it tends to attract.
United's biggest problem - Our spoiled and overly entitled fan base
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It's like Mourinho said, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Dialectics baby.
I mean as of right now we aren’t in a terrible place, it can actually be pretty exciting if you get behind the team.
Nope, it was literally just a descriptor. Are you American by any chance?
It wasn't just a descriptor but I'm not up for a pointless argument with you again. Yes I am.
Well knock me down with a feather.
Your comment is pathetic and make me feel sick. You have no right to tell others which club they support. I've been a United supporter since the 80's and we stood by the club despite no big success then. But that does not mean I will accept the deteroration now because we have leaches as owners ans idiots of a club director.
Don't even bother with that mate. It's clearly a bait to get a reaction from me. He is entitled to twist my comment and feel however he wishes about it.
This is what most sane and rational fans are pissed off about. It's about the incompetent way our resources have been wasted and the fact that there is no will from the owners to acknowledge what structural changes and future-planning needs to be done to ensure that United remains a top club.
We have totally destroyed all the advantage the club had from Sir Alex's legacy and success, it's insulting to his huge efforts and to all our legendary players that helped achieve that.
And about the spending of a billion dollars - if it's an investment into the core of the club, like modernising all the facilities, the stadium, improving fan experience and reorganasing the structure of operations, it's definitely the direction most of us would like to take. Just blindly putting vast amounts of money in transfer fees and wages is definitely not what I'm "moaning" about. My concern has always been about the basis of Manchester United and making sure that we aren't falling off due to criminal incompetence and corporate greed.
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No self-awareness.
There is a big difference. I did not directly tell to support another club. I was talking on a general idea of supporting united means supporting the greatest team in England that should compete for trophies every year. But if there are fans who are not intrested in the club and whines about those who craves success, to accept mediocrity, it is better fir them to support teams with no ambitions that matches theirs.
It’s an interesting debate nonetheless. With good points on both sides (spoilt fans vs fans who just applaud/support mediocrity).
I look at Madrid, and they’re probably the most spoilt/entitled fans out there. Doesn’t seem to be a “bad thing” for them. Albeit, obviously were not Madrid and traditionally we’ve always prided ourselves on youth etc.
I guess having a varied, massive, global fan base has its pros and cons. Locals might feel like the club has lost a bit of its identity & obviously there’s a big section of fans who also mainly started supporting us because we were winning. That’s a fact, because winning means more global coverage etc. & with a bigger global fan base it also means more money to spend.
Not even sure what I’m trying to say. Just that I can see the points from both sides, I guess.
I look at Madrid, and they’re probably the most spoilt/entitled fans out there. Doesn’t seem to be a “bad thing” for them. Albeit, obviously were not Madrid and traditionally we’ve always prided ourselves on youth etc.
I guess having a varied, massive, global fan base has its pros and cons. Locals might feel like the club has lost a bit of its identity & obviously there’s a big section of fans who also mainly started supporting us because we were winning. That’s a fact, because winning means more global coverage etc. & with a bigger global fan base it also means more money to spend.
Not even sure what I’m trying to say. Just that I can see the points from both sides, I guess.
Don't be obtuse. There is no difference in what you said vs what I said. None at all.
I find this interesting. Sincere question: how much did you know back in the 80’s about how the club was run behind the scenes?
I think the internet and social media has changed a lot in the interaction between fans and their clubs. Today there are many more details about what’s going on in the back-offices than there was then. To make things worse, not everything being reported is true, then it becomes difficult to distinguish between what’s true and what’s not. There are exaggerations of some things while some go so far below the radar that we know of it only when it’s done and by that time everyone has lost their heads. And then there is a lot of confirmation bias which drives people’s outrage overboard.
I’d dare to think that if it were this same situation in the 80’s there wouldn’t be so much indignation, simply because we wouldn’t have so much information and you would more readily stand by the club.
This was true last year, the year before that, the year before that... you see where Im going with that. Its been 7 years of failed promises. Nothing has gotten better, we are still "transitioning"(which at this point has lost all meaning). We can all enjoy singing "the sun will come out tomorrow", but its old as feck, and no one (should) believe it any more. We want some sun today, not tomorrow, today. And all the excuses and finger pointing at managers doesnt change the fact that seven years have gone by and we are still talking about getting plans into action. Seven years of planning to get plans into action. I cant say another year of that sounds promising.
If Ole manages to get a tune out of his team, its going to be in spite of how the club is run, not because of it.
It's not just those two types of fans though. You have fans who are concerned but will remain calm to see how things turn out and won't be overly negative.
The constant negativity trickles down to the players and this is something we have to watch. It's almost like nothing is ever good enough. All negativity is believed and everything that sounds reasonable is instantly disbelieved.
Me, I haven't looked at the sports section for ages. I avoid too much negativity. Why live like that? Why let the press rile you up and get you all negative all the time? It's not good for us and the club.
There is merit to both sides of the argument but we need to avoid too much vitriol and negativity. Nobody can thrive in that kind of environment.
The comparison with Real Madrid isn’t fair though. Different club ownership model, different financial ecosystem (with different method of sharing tv rights), different sports ecosystem (number of domestic rivals and ease of qualifying for CL even during a rough season), different appeal in the eyes of many talented continental European and South American players, etc.
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On the bolded bit, I agree. I don't really fall in either category either. I was just trying to simplify it to either end/extreme though, i guess. When there is a perfectly sound/reasonable middle as well.
Aye, I don't disagree with you there bud. I even said so in my post. I don't actually have strong feelings either way. I'm not the negative kind, though i also try not to show blind faith, I guess.
Just thought its an interesting debate/topic.
And I really think we need to be in the middle. Hysteria is not going to help us. Perhaps just accept we've made bad mistakes post SAF and we are not where we would want to be. Let's see what happens with transfers this summer and let the season start. No need to get dramatic before any of us knows what will happen.
Yep, i've seen plenty already having written OGS's appointment off as well. Yikes
Onwards and upwards, but i guess the more shitty appointments we get wrong, the less patient the fans are going to get with each passing appointment/manager. It's just how it goes. But yeah, we need to be patient.
The problem is unfortunately United seems a strange club. In that, we had a problem after Busby, now the same after Ferguson. A bit of a pattern......Yep, i've seen plenty already having written OGS's appointment off as well. Yikes
Onwards and upwards, but i guess the more shitty appointments we get wrong, the less patient the fans are going to get with each passing appointment/manager. It's just how it goes. But yeah, we need to be patient.
To try and break away from that culture seems to cause us problems historically. Hell even Liverpool had a problem for years before Klopp. It's just one of those things.
I don't doubt we'll get it right. Will probably take a while knowing what we're like, but we will be ok eventually. I just hope they get it together before I die
The problem is unfortunately United seems a strange club. In that, we had a problem after Busby, now the same after Ferguson. A bit of a pattern......
To try and break away from that culture seems to cause us problems historically. Hell even Liverpool had a problem for years before Klopp. It's just one of those things.
I don't doubt we'll get it right. Will probably take a while knowing what we're like, but we will be ok eventually. I just hope they get it together before I die
I agree.Interesting, thanks for sharing the link.
However, I don’t think the idea is to protest until the club is run to the ground so that the Glazers leave and we start from scratch. This thread (I think) is more about the entitlement (in terms of wanting success RIGHT NOW) which many fans seem to display, especially on Internet platforms. I think we can support the team on the field and be hopeful/optimistic about the near future while protesting against the current owners. Both positions aren’t mutually exclusive in my eyes.
One doesn’t need to bring in the poor management of the club as an institution into every discussion about the team (like the example in the OP of fans moaning when the birthday of our reserve GK was announced on Twitter). How does that help the cause?
I wholeheartedly agree with your second paragraph and am 1000% behind Ole, although not the same can be said for the majority of the players for different reasons.
Disagree on the last bit. The idea of the "Glazer out" movement is to make sure the owners realise what is going on and there is no other way to do it. I do support Solskjaer immensely, but I don't believe the board is providing him the structure to succeed here. Why have we been giving out new contracts to bad unperforming and permanently injured players? Why have we not sold a single player and there is no indication to that happening, when OGS said that many members of the squad have played their last games? These are just a few of the more seeable issues, I bet there is more to it underneath the curtains.
Good post and I see a lot of logic and sensibility in your statements.
However the 'entitled fans' are actually a small percentage of people ( who may or may not be actual united fans) who are behind keyboards furiously reviewing social media, tabloids for any bit of news and chance to gain internet points by being the 'cool' person. And hey guess what the more points they get the more they do it. This has nothing to do with them liking football/united or not, and if we are sweating over them then I guess we have other issues in life in general.
Forums like these provide the much needed insight and knowledge from multiple different sects of fans who have seen our club through thick and thin. So if there are people with negative opinions, its good to have healthy debates about perspective. The era has changed, the football has changed, the way people view football has changed, the players have changed so why should fans be the same?
And who is to say if we had twitter and facebook in the early 90's the mature fans would not have done similar to what the new generation is currently doing?
It's not to get a reaction out of you. Only saying their nationality doesn't matter and it's almost always used in a negative connotation.
TBF I knew very little about the club's management and structure back then. I do agree that internet and social media made the interaction between the clubs and fans much larger and the fan base knowing little about the clubs's management gave the clubs the space and time to work with concentration. Though, I believe the OP is unfair toward a large fan base that do love the club but hate the owners and the management, it has nothing to do with impatience and being spoiled. I do think Ole deserve the time to show us what he can do, at least he is a club legend and deserves the chance more than the likes of David Moyes. But I cant help to see a gigantic economic power of a club like ours under the ownership of those who have less interest in football success than financial success.
Fair enough. I see what you mean.
That’s fair. Your position does sound sensible, unlike some of the others OP was referring to.
Thread title is bollocks.
Fans have very little effect on the fortunes the club.
Fans have very little effect on the fortunes the club.
Yeah, we have a lot of egregious fans, as evidenced by a large sample on here, but I'm not sure how highly that ranks on the list of club's problems (if at all).
It's a huge problem for anyone daft enough to browse the forum and expect to read some sense though.
Our honourable co-member got it spot on!
I am more worried about our spoiled and overly entitled players.
Yes exactly.
The very best way of showing the true class of our supporters is to get behind the team and in my view, whatever is written in our fans forums, we do get behind them.
That post won Rant of the Year in 2017!
"They WANT WANT WANT, and stamp their feet and get all huffy because DADDY is not giving them what they WANT WANT WANT."
Love it!
You need to be seriously blindfolded to fail to see how fecking rotten Woodward’s management has been in this last 6 years.
The fecking Disneyland pitch he presented to Klopp and him refusing tells you all you need to know about how far we are behind the properly run football clubs of the world. But whatever floats your boat Mack.
Only one day to go from the Moyes’s original 6 years contract and the future is bright once again.
Bizarre
