I guarantee you no big club would sign Maguire and make him captain. Mid table player on high end wages. We have a lot of those. A lot of players came in here with bigger and better reputations than him. Sancho getting 350k is laughable. This guy has been possibly even worse a signing than Pepe for Arsenal, and that’s saying something.
"Up to 11 players now want to leave United after becoming disillusioned with life at the club."
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
What team is gonna want them when they refuse to run?
They are complaining because the management clearly haven't been straight with them. We all know, because it's was widely reported by legitimate sources, that Ole convinced Lingard, Henderson and van de Beek they were part of his plans for this season. How many games have they started between them?
I would be pissed off personally, because it's one thing a manager saying 'I think De Gea is a better GK, you will be the #2', that's fair enough. It's totally another to string a player along, make out they will be a much bigger part of the team than they are AGAIN for another season, potentially damaging their career in the process.
On the subject of Maguire, you (and many others to be fair) have it totally back-to-front. You call out poor attitude, sulkers, whingers etc...and then advocate for the good, solid, hard-working lads to leave. Whatever you think about Maguire's abilities, has he EVER done anything to suggest he is anything other than 100% committed to the club?
The players you want out are the bluffers, the whingers, the people who think they are bigger than the club or better than their teammates. No if's or but's, attitude is everything. SAF knew that and was a master at managing the ego's and the dressing room. Confidence and high-standards are desired characteristics, but whingeing and entitlement are not.
But will they take a potentially massive pay drop to move?
The bloke from the Daily Mail leaking these stories is a City fan btw lads.
Who is going to sell the players? You cannot sell players the manager wants to keep or sell players who don't want to leave.
The manager should tell the board or the player they must leave and find a new club.
Imagine the outrage if the board just started selling players from under the managers nose. It falls back on Ole that after his initial good work he allowed the squad to become bloated again.
The players should also have the common sense to know when they are not wanted or needed. But when you are on massive money why would you leave only to get paid less elsewhere?
Well they're threatening to move so let's see how serious about it they are. Call their bluff and lets see what happens
Everyone loves the idea of some hardnose coming in and telling the players whats what, but having discontent and losing the dressing room before you've even got going will not do Ralf any favours. The application of the players isn't great, but managers generally don't survive when things hit a certain point. It's a problem that he needs to solve.
It's a sad state of affairs where I wouldn't be unhappy at any player leaving apart from Greenwood. The rest can all do one.
Amazing it's got to this. This squad is one of the most cowardly, overpaid and underworked bunch of gutless wonders I've ever seen in football
Amazing it's got to this. This squad is one of the most cowardly, overpaid and underworked bunch of gutless wonders I've ever seen in football
I’m just at a point (as are many others) where I’m just past caring about this squad. Horrible bunch. Can’t think of any other top team acting this way. We reward mediocrity with new contracts and sign players for the wrong reasons. It’s baffling. Ronaldo broke the wage structure even more, and he’s barely even able to play football anymore. At least he can sell a few shirts and score a few tap ins though.
Ole should have culled a the squad a bit more, that’s obvious. Why would you keep guys like Lingard in there when you basically play the same team every week. Money on the other hand probably kept them sweet while they sat warming the bench, or the stands.
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Me too, I feel your pain. I'd quite happily sell every single senior player to be honest, save cash for three seasons and then go again from a completely new base. Fans wouldn't go for that though, because 'patience' amongst football supporters means about four games.
So what I would probably do, as I said elsewhere, is just offer all the lads on 200K+ a choice. Either accept a new weekly salary of £190K (which is what the club captain earns) or you can go and take your chances elsewhere.
It's not about Maguire being 'the best player', it's about awarding salaries based on status, years of service and merit. Bruno earns £180K per week, fair enough, he earnt that initially and was a key senior player. Maguire earns £190K, as captain of Manchester United, I would say that is fair. Luke Shaw earns £150K, again, I would say reasonable, 7/8 seasons of service, senior player, international footballer.
What you can't have, is Jadon Sancho, 21 years old, coming into the club from a significantly weaker league, doesn't get in the national side...suddenly earning £350K a week. Varane, walks in from Real Madrid, earns double what the captain earns. Ronaldo, 36 years old, walks in on more than 5x what some of his starting XI teammates earn. It's just crazy, absolute madness.
You must get my point? I don't know what you do for a living, but how would you feel if someone with 10 years less experience walked into the organisation on double or treble your salary? How would you feel if someone doing the same job walked in earning 5x your salary? You'd be livid.
I think we know we would end up with them continuing to stick up the bench. We may have to subsidise their wages to get rid of some players
If it’s true and the club are paying Sancho that amount then no wonder there’s a mutiny. He’s offered nothing since signing for us, and this supposed big transfer window was our path to success too. Almost a million a week for Sancho and Ronaldo. No wonder we are the laughing stock of the league. Liverpool’s whole attacking unit probably earn less combined which just shows you where the clubs priorities are.
I want us to start from scratch. Really do. Mercenaries are what we used to describe players who signed for City, but in the end it turns out we are the ones signing them all.
Tend to take these types of reports with a pinch of salt. Full of easy clickbait comments that write themselves whenever United are in a tough period.
Even if this is true though, I find the notion of a squad rebuild somewhat refreshing. I think we all probably completely blind towards how difficult it is for the club to just get rid of players, and you can't simply dump a half dozen assets at rock bottom prices because most of those spaces are going to need to be filled and clubs aren't going to do United any favours.
However, there is obviously some fat that can very easily be trimmed. Henderson, Bailly, Martial, Mata, Pogba, Lingard are all highly unlikely to be here next season, and we won't miss any of them. That has to be close to £50m on our wage bill right there, which is staggering really.
Even if this is true though, I find the notion of a squad rebuild somewhat refreshing. I think we all probably completely blind towards how difficult it is for the club to just get rid of players, and you can't simply dump a half dozen assets at rock bottom prices because most of those spaces are going to need to be filled and clubs aren't going to do United any favours.
However, there is obviously some fat that can very easily be trimmed. Henderson, Bailly, Martial, Mata, Pogba, Lingard are all highly unlikely to be here next season, and we won't miss any of them. That has to be close to £50m on our wage bill right there, which is staggering really.
I'd love to know how many of those that want to leave would be willing to take a reduction in wages to do so. I'll go out of a limb here, not many.
I fecking hate these players. I've never known such a sensitive bunch of primadonnas to ever play for us. Maybe a max exodus of players who have downed tools for countless managers and hold far too much power for achieving absolutely feck all would be a good thing.
I fecking hate these players. I've never known such a sensitive bunch of primadonnas to ever play for us. Maybe a max exodus of players who have downed tools for countless managers and hold far too much power for achieving absolutely feck all would be a good thing.
This could be true, but I think fans are now seeing the light with regards to the players and they will not get the support they think if another coach/manager goes.
The players are rarely happy, they wake up each morning thinking of something to be unhappy about.
Someone been handing out a questionnaire in the dressing room? Sounds like a Woodward thing to do, get a sense whether he's got another appointment wrong, or got one right for once
Yeah, you wonder if it is a bit of a who blinks first situation. Who can be get rid of first, players or manager. The fact Murtough got him in and admires him, the players might be on a hiding to nothing this time.
Yep. They've overplayed the "it's not us it's him" card now. The money they're all on and the constant leaking to the press like spoilt children should be enough to turn the majority of the core fan base against them. I personally am sick to death of it and wish we'd just bin anyone who doesn't want to be here.
I haven't posted about Pogba since he got injured and before that I was praising him. The only thing I dislike about Pogba is his dickhead of an agent and I believe if it wasn't for Raiola Pogba's United career would've been much better.
Agreed, there's definitely some exaggeration in there as a number of these players are ones we were expecting to be moving on after this season.
What you would hope though is that we do a real internal look at what's gone wrong as some of the decisions we've made this season and since SAF left are odd.
This season for example you look at Lingard and it's just odd to me why we wouldn't sell him in the summer, even at a discount if he didn't want to commit to a new contract and when in reality it was always going to be hard to give him much game time with the number of attackers we had.
More generally you look at the wages we've been paying and more importantly how our wages compare to other clubs and you have to say that we are overpaying people given the relative lack of recent success we've had compared to our competitors. It feels to me that we pay top value and hope the player will perform rather than making them earn their wage through performances.
I mean, if they're unhappy here then they aren't going to stay. I get the point you're trying to make but it doesn't make sense for them logically, they'll take a pay cut if it means leaving.
Players are definitely on something for thinking it's a good move to go to the press about having to work late. These guys are so way out of touch with reality thinking anyone's going to side with them. I don't even know who started those medical trips to Dubai. Rangnick now looks like the bad guy for injecting common feckin sense that players should rehab at the club. "Oppressive atmosphere".
He has only managed 4 or 5 games, what playing time? We haven't even had any as a club the last couple weeks. Maybe RR should have scheduled games during the covid downtime.
He has only managed 4 or 5 games, what playing time? We haven't even had any as a club the last couple weeks. Maybe RR should have scheduled games during the covid downtime.
Well, who saw that coming? Shocked I am. Thanks Solskjaer.
It's hard to understand how people like these get payed the amount they do to show up to work, down tools to get Ole sacked and when they get what they want they start crying 1 month after the new manager has arrived.
I am of the opinion that more than half this team needs to be fecked off. But when you are in need of an overhaul and the people responsible are Glazer's then you are in deep trouble. The people upstairs havn't a clue how to build a succesful team.
I am of the opinion that more than half this team needs to be fecked off. But when you are in need of an overhaul and the people responsible are Glazer's then you are in deep trouble. The people upstairs havn't a clue how to build a succesful team.
Think it will be a mixture of them not taking too big a pay cut and us getting a good fee for some of them. Lingard and Pogba should be out the door and at least get something for them. They won't though, they want the big money in their back pockets in the summer.
Time to realise, something is rotten in this squad. There is a lot of potential, which probably fooled us all. Horrible attitude. Clean out, bite the bullet. We aren't the first, nor last club with mishandled fortunes.
Wage structure & transfer dealings have been horrid, for a long time. The club needs new direction. Ralf has built clubs before and I'd much rather give him a chance, than trusting this group of players.
Wage structure & transfer dealings have been horrid, for a long time. The club needs new direction. Ralf has built clubs before and I'd much rather give him a chance, than trusting this group of players.
Honestly not bothered at this point, get them gone, tell them we'll make up their wages for one year. If they don't like it they can play for the reserve team and kiss any career they had goodbye
This traces back to Woodward and the Glazers doesn't it? They had successfully silenced people with the Ronaldo signing, but it's clear now that one player even if Ronaldo cannot change the fortunes of a club that's been badly managed for a decade.
If Ed Woodward felt it on himself to block transfers then there's no reason he could have suggested that players move either. There doesn't have to be any such limitation. This is a case of a player is sat on the bench for 30 odd weeks a season and neither the board nor manager take initiative to start the conversion of potentially moving the player on.
It all goes back to them eventually, they're the only constant in the last decade.
They want all the benefits without actually having to work for them. Do they not watch other teams? There is a reason teams above them are doing well, they work their socks off.
We should've sold Lingard in the summer no doubt about that. I don't know why Ole always wanted a big squad, he never used it!
I'm glad to hear it.
The club is so rotten to the core that in an ideal world a good 80% of this squad is moved in within the next 24 months.
Pogba, Martial, Lingard, VDB and Ronaldo will all be long gone by July whether we want them or not. I'd hope and expect Matic, Mata and one of the CBs to be on that list too. Still leaves us with plenty of shite - but it's time to see what we have within the ranks at the club to start plugging these gaps, and making genuine transfer plans for a series of good, young, hungry players to come in on modest wages rather than giving them the world at 21.
We've spent the last decade convincing players to sign for astronomical wages, rather than giving them an opportunity to earn it - and then were surprised it hasn't worked out
The club is so rotten to the core that in an ideal world a good 80% of this squad is moved in within the next 24 months.
Pogba, Martial, Lingard, VDB and Ronaldo will all be long gone by July whether we want them or not. I'd hope and expect Matic, Mata and one of the CBs to be on that list too. Still leaves us with plenty of shite - but it's time to see what we have within the ranks at the club to start plugging these gaps, and making genuine transfer plans for a series of good, young, hungry players to come in on modest wages rather than giving them the world at 21.
We've spent the last decade convincing players to sign for astronomical wages, rather than giving them an opportunity to earn it - and then were surprised it hasn't worked out
With our next batch of players we should just make our contracts 90% performance based, maybe that'll motivate them
The board are at fault for backing the managers too much in regards to signings and not being clinical enough with the deadweight we've been carrying for years. Jose signed Pogba then wanted him gone, he'd have got his wish at Chelsea but we fired him instead of selling Pogba and Martial. To be clear, Jose should have gone but those two should have been right behind him. We can only presume Solskjaer believed Pogba would sign a new contract and Martial would come good again, which just shows you how weak decision making as a collective can get you royally fecked
Agree with this. SAF would have just suggested that there was not much of a future for a player like that and a new club should be found for the players sake. We have just let these players stagnate and actually lose value while apparently trying to protect their value.
Bingo. Wolves put them to shame