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One has to wonder how widespread this sort of thing is.
US exam cheating scandal
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One has to wonder how widespread this sort of thing is.
Kind of explains a lot, actually.
Probably one of those multiple choice exams as well. You have to be proper thick to need to resort to cheating with one of those.
The Singer guy created a fake company and it was flagged because of the large amounts of money flowing through. What a fecking idiot.
The pay to play in academics is nothing new and it happens every single day in the U.S. and around other elite universities around the world. Falsifying the testing scores or allowing proxies (i.e. smarter people other than the actual tester) to take the exams is not new.
It's more about the academic admissions system from a few dozens of families trying to force their children into universities via money. The fact that there are celebrities and public figures caught up in this particular case is what is making it 'noteworthy.
The pay to play in academics is nothing new and it happens every single day in the U.S. and around other elite universities around the world. Falsifying the testing scores or allowing proxies (i.e. smarter people other than the actual tester) to take the exams is not new.
It's more about the academic admissions system from a few dozens of families trying to force their children into universities via money. The fact that there are celebrities and public figures caught up in this particular case is what is making it 'noteworthy.
You have to feel for the less privileged kids that couldn't play the system like this.
Going to one of this prestigious colleges basically set you up for life.
Surprise Surprise. Almost like society is rigged entirely in favour of those with money. Get @Eboue in here to vent.
you'll come around soon enough
Meritocracy is a fecking fix
Absolutely. It also screws up your society when it's touted as a meritocracy but is filled with idiots in high positions.
Me? I don't need convincing. I'm ready to start putting heads on spikes if there's a consensus for it.
Look at it from the parents POV. They want the best for their children, as the majority of parents do, so the parents will do everything they can. Especially when they have influence, network prowess and money. Can't exactly blame them but it does have a ripple effect on the system.
There are also always 'Presidential/University Exemptions' for athletes or special cases (i.e. you got money, multiple kids, lineage, etc.)
The elite universities in the United States have these enormous endowments and funds...who do you think funds those things?
There are also always 'Presidential/University Exemptions' for athletes or special cases (i.e. you got money, multiple kids, lineage, etc.)
The elite universities in the United States have these enormous endowments and funds...who do you think funds those things?
Teaching your kids to work hard and earn their rewards is how you get the best for your kids. Using money and influence to buy success for them lays hollow foundations that some would argue are starting to crumble here in the west. Give a man a fish, etc.
How does it work with the fake athletic scholarships when the kid shows up and has no athletic ability?
Irony:
BTW, I've noticed cheating in U.S college/university system isn't done and/or considered even "cool" among kids. Maybe it was just my university? Generally teachers didn't care to snoop around and make sure you don't cheat. If you're in the 5th semester of some science major though, cheating doesn't get you far anyway.
I was surprised that at my girlfriends college in Netherlands they put all sorts of strict measures against cheating. No cell phones, leave bags at the front. Grown up 20 year olds being regulated so they don't "cheat" seemed very odd to me.
I was surprised that at my girlfriends college in Netherlands they put all sorts of strict measures against cheating. No cell phones, leave bags at the front. Grown up 20 year olds being regulated so they don't "cheat" seemed very odd to me.
I agree with you, 100%. However, that 5% from your immediate support group can go a long way. It's putting you over the top. There are many, many other top universities that these kids can get into but selectively buying your way into what you want when it's not a level playing field to begin with already is wrong. They can always do their best for two years then transfer.
Money and influence has been around for centuries/decades at the very top. Lobbyists have been one of the most destructive 'professions' in humanity. Money talks and bullshit walks.
To your point, morals and values are declining rapidly in addition to mainstream media/social media highlighting this and 'glorifying' the lack of said morals/values/stupidity.
There is no way this could happen at a D1 school with basketball or football. The sports selected are very suggestive of privilege.
I think it's less of it not being cool, and more of the consequences of cheating, which during my time at school was immediate suspension at the very least, with probable expulsion.
College (american/throwball) football in the united states is rampant with this. It's not that the athletic scholarship is fake, it's just that the parents paid the university and their "donation" or a lot of it directly goes to their choice of department. In these cases it's the athletic department donation/fund. With that, their child, who could have already been admitted as a regular student or not admitted at all because they couldn't qualify (i.e. wasn't smart enough or testing wasn't up to par), is now part of the team participating in practice, using student-athlete resources (food, equipment, education support, etc.) for 'free'.
There were plenty of 'student-athletes' that just took up space on the sidelines and looked the part. Couldn't do shit athletically if needed to do so in some functional manner.
One if the hardest exams I sat in ny life was multiple choice where all the answers were very similar. Harder in that case than if it had just been the questions as it added doubt.
True. Also it's not possible to get your whole degree cheating. Maybe but it would be more effort to cheat than to actually study.
No way any college wastes a limited athletic scholarship in D1 football or basketball on a fraud.
Look at the guy in Washington and the people surrounding him.
Heartbreaking really.
Oh yes they do...D1 scholarships can also be partial, in addition to whole.
I can’t wait to see the list of people. Justice Dept said all 33 are high ranking, wealthy folks.
Rich assholes. I worked my ass off to get into a good college and these folks just use wealth to screw the system. Hope the book is thrown at them.
Rich assholes. I worked my ass off to get into a good college and these folks just use wealth to screw the system. Hope the book is thrown at them.
They'll be breaking out the wheelchairs and fake tears soon , no doubt.
I can’t wait to see the kids trying to claim that they didn’t know about it.
Hopefully the universities are in the process of kicking them out.
They are quite literally obliged by law to take measures to prevent/strictly control the possibility of cheating, is that not a thing in the States? I remember back in the day I couldn't even wear a watch for various exams at university, they were a bit paranoid I guess because I still have no idea how you can cheat with a watch.Also, I find the bolded part very hard to believe. Just some quick googling shows that significant percentages of students at various Ivy league uni's admit to cheating, surely plenty of people at every level would do it if they could get away with it?
Its not done anywhere. Those in teaching positions tend to have spent a good decade in college working their balls off. They dont take it well when someone tries to cheat their way through.
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Season ending injury which gets them red-shirted followed by inability to rehab properly after the first year ends which results in the scholarship being withdrawn and I doubt the school would kick them out since they can afford the tuition fees anyway .
Just a guess on how I think it could work out.
Google searches will always show you outliers. From my personal experience, majoring computer science, there is not much you can get out of cheating on one paper or assignment. You're just not going to pass all classes if you don't understand the material. For this reason, students knew cheating is futile. Even if they could get through this one quiz, the next class builds upon it and then what.
Also, I find the bolded part very hard to believe. Just some quick googling shows that significant percentages of students at various Ivy league uni's admit to cheating, surely plenty of people at every level would do it if they could get away with it?
This is why teachers don't care to enforce the law. They know students won't do it and they are right. This was in my college which is a fairly reputable one in the United States.
That said, I do remember kids cheating in a Freshman Journalism 101 class. That was a joke of a class though with topics mainly being guest lectures. It was also a class of 100+ and ironically this was the one class in which teachers were strict: no caps, no using toilets unless escorted etc.
In my advanced classes I could use the restroom and stuff with my phone in my pocket during the exams. Often the questions were so specific to a scenario cheating really didn't get you the answer and hey if you're good enough to understand a theory in a 10 min bathroom break to apply it to a unique problem you deserve to pass!
Scandal? ~40% of people vote for this sort of thing in the UK, 50% in the USA.
I think you've misunderstood the issue here. This is cheating on entrance exams, fake athletic scholarships, etc. Once they're accepted, the kids have to do it like everyone else but they got their places at these institutions for money and other, more meritous applicants had to lower their expectations.
I wonder what went through his brain when making that sentence, does he just not see the irony?
Basically telling them that they didn't pay enough money or that they paid off the wrong party otherwise everything will be perfectly fine .
I wonder what went through his brain when making that sentence, does he just not see the irony?
I'm talking a total different issue. Mentioned it as "BTW on the topic of cheating". A difference that I saw between states and Netherlands.
I did quite well in a multiple choice entrance exam - my final score was exactly 50%. Especially if it involves negative marks for wrong answers, MCQs can be tough as well.
My professors handed us the tests or essay prompts, then went back to their offices.
Also, I find the bolded part very hard to believe. Just some quick googling shows that significant percentages of students at various Ivy league uni's admit to cheating, surely plenty of people at every level would do it if they could get away with it?
I never saw a kid cheat. There were kids who did though, they got turned in by their peers and kicked out of school by the Honor Council, made up of their peers.
We all signed the Honor Code on our 1st day there, and in it we agreed that if we saw academic dishonesty and didn’t report it, and it could be proven, that we would be put before the Honor Council as well.
No clue how many other universities do that system, but mine and the one my wife attended both had that in place.
Taking the thread off topic, eh? Reported.