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Surely if we’re getting a new RB, it’s to have an attacking dominant RB.

Mazaroui, not hapy at Bayen and has a good relationship with Erik and Antony
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His chant at United writes itself surely?

Just a shame he isn't a midfield magician

Also "he shits on Trent Alexander-Arnold" might be a bit wordy
 

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As much as I like him and think he is talented, I am not sure, whether he would be an upgrade on Dalot or Wan-Bissaka currently. Maybe this is just us getting ahead of the scarcity at the position, but I think there are positions we should prioritise over RB.



He isn't exactly a purely defensive full-back. He's been used as a right-winger multiple times by Monaco.
If he isn’t an upgrade on either of the guys we have, I doubt we buy him. Unless Dalot is leaving. But EtH may think Vanderson is an upgrade and I would trust his judgement.
 

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Frimpong is better and would probably be cheaper knowing how much French clubs like to charge.
 

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Surely if we’re getting a new RB, it’s to have an attacking dominant RB.

Mazaroui, not hapy at Bayen and has a good relationship with Erik and Antony
The boat has sailed for Mazaroui. Would have welcomed him last summer on free. We had weathered the storm, and now it's time for the next step. Mazraoui is not that attacking, nor he's a clear upgrade on either AWB and Dalot.

Frimpong is better and would probably be cheaper knowing how much French clubs like to charge.
I don't know where you get this impression about French clubs overprice their players and not German clubs. For every Ndombele, Pepe we had Werner, Sancho, Naby Keita from German clubs. Tchouameni, Mbappe, Martial with hindsight looks like pound for pound the correct value. French clubs let Kante, Muani, Coman, Nkunku, Konate, Camavinga, O.Dembele... went to other other leagues cheaply.

You're looking Leverkusen who rinsed Chelsea for Kai Harvetz sale. So the question is all about whether the player is worth the fee. Fringing looks to be more of a wingback than full back. Not sure Fringpong fit the profile we're looking for our RB position.
 

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If he isn’t an upgrade on either of the guys we have, I doubt we buy him. Unless Dalot is leaving. But EtH may think Vanderson is an upgrade and I would trust his judgement.

Well both our full backs have some big flaws and neither have really nailed on beign worthy as a whole despite some good performances this season to be in a quality starting eleven, where as the other three positions in defence, players have done so.

Not that I fall into this category, but a lot of modern fans and clubs like an attacking full back and all the traits that entail.....in that respect though I havent seen a huge amount of him and though in all honesty it isnt that difficult in my opnion, he offers a massive upgrade in that respect....but he still looks quite raw defensively. I havent really seen Frimpong but the three full backs I have really liked the look of are all quite raw, Livaramento, Gusto and Vanderson is the other one.

I think we have two good second choice right backs, so one of the two should go and we should be looking at an attacking full back. I think if the fee is reasonable Vanderson is a really goog option for a few reasons, he would certainly be exciting....maybe frustrating too
 

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The boat has sailed for Mazaroui. Would have welcomed him last summer on free. We had weathered the storm, and now it's time for the next step. Mazraoui is not that attacking, nor he's a clear upgrade on either AWB and Dalot.


I don't know where you get this impression about French clubs overprice their players and not German clubs. For every Ndombele, Pepe we had Werner, Sancho, Naby Keita from German clubs. Tchouameni, Mbappe, Martial with hindsight looks like pound for pound the correct value. French clubs let Kante, Muani, Coman, Nkunku, Konate, Camavinga, O.Dembele... went to other other leagues cheaply.

You're looking Leverkusen who rinsed Chelsea for Kai Harvetz sale. So the question is all about whether the player is worth the fee. Fringing looks to be more of a wingback than full back. Not sure Fringpong fit the profile we're looking for our RB position.
I feel most league, the big players go for big fees and there have been some to this leauge and some not as big a players as the hype anyway.....and a lot of them ahve failed, so can see how the other poster holds that opinion.

But I agree with you, though the league itself is behind the other major leagues, its stacked with young talent, just look at the national sides of all age groups. And going a lon gway back up to recent windows, there have been some great deals from the French league at cheap prices.

I actually think the premiership doesnt look to the French league as much as it should, especially in terms of taking gambles on cheaper deals that are still out there
 

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The boat has sailed for Mazaroui. Would have welcomed him last summer on free. We had weathered the storm, and now it's time for the next step. Mazraoui is not that attacking,

He had already signed an agreement with Bayern before ETH was appointed, so we could not have signed him. If you think he's not that attacking then you didn't see alot of Ajax before he left
 

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ti vu said
The boat has sailed for Mazaroui. Would have welcomed him last summer on free. We had weathered the storm, and now it's time for the next step. Mazraoui is not that attacking,

He had already signed an agreement with Bayern before ETH was appointed, so we could not have signed him. If you think he's not that attacking then you didn't see alot of Ajax before he left
I watched between 20-30 games last season. About a dozen the season before.

What is that attacking for you? Shaw, Reece James, TAA, Cancelo, Zinchenko...?
 

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Well both our full backs have some big flaws and neither have really nailed on beign worthy as a whole despite some good performances this season to be in a quality starting eleven, where as the other three positions in defence, players have done so.

Not that I fall into this category, but a lot of modern fans and clubs like an attacking full back and all the traits that entail.....in that respect though I havent seen a huge amount of him and though in all honesty it isnt that difficult in my opnion, he offers a massive upgrade in that respect....but he still looks quite raw defensively. I havent really seen Frimpong but the three full backs I have really liked the look of are all quite raw, Livaramento, Gusto and Vanderson is the other one.

I think we have two good second choice right backs, so one of the two should go and we should be looking at an attacking full back. I think if the fee is reasonable Vanderson is a really goog option for a few reasons, he would certainly be exciting....maybe frustrating too
Yeah. The slight quandary is that AWB is better defensively and so would provide the best tactical alternative to a very attacking RB but Dalot is the more flexible, intelligent player, able to deputise reasonably at LB.
 

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Our track record signing Brazilians is flawless. So all for this one.
 

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Isn't there a Brazilian named Everton ? That would be a good laugh. (Now that's what I call scouting.)
 

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His chant at United writes itself surely?

Just a shame he isn't a midfield magician

Also "he shits on Trent Alexander-Arnold" might be a bit wordy
Vanderson son son
Almost as good as Henderson
Vanderson son son
He’s our right back third option

In the wrong in the right
Hope he doesn’t beat his wife
He’s got class on the brass
And he shit’s on the lavatory
 

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That’s gonna have to be a new thing we do. Check their fully background and any convictions.
You'd think we'd have learned from signing Rojo only to find out he had a pending case in Argentina for glassing his neighbour
 

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That’s gonna have to be a new thing we do. Check their fully background and any convictions.
You would think any company would do some due diligence prior to making any near 100 million dollar investment.
 

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You would think any company would do some due diligence prior to making any near 100 million dollar investment.
Most clubs probably do to be fair. We ain’t run like normal clubs though.
 

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That’s gonna have to be a new thing we do. Check their fully background and any convictions.
There might be a tongue in cheek element to this post but character references certainly used to be common practice when signing a player. I'm pretty sure a lot of the top clubs even go through a player's tweet history before they sign them so they aren't in for any surprises if something surfaces online.

I would imagine (or at least hope) we still are, even if it's a rudimentary version of it.
 

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So come January he’ll be signing for Chelsea on a decade long contract when Reece James’ knees fall off.
 

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My ultimate RB signing!

He has insane close skills and pace. Could be used as RB, RWB and I would wager be more productive at RW than any of our other forwards.

please make this happen Murtough et al!
 

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Come to think of it. Have we ever had a really successful Brazilian player? Anderson was decent but nothing amazing, Rafael was too. Fabio, Fred were meh. Anthony is on the way to being meh aswel.
 

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Come to think of it. Have we ever had a really successful Brazilian player? Anderson was decent but nothing amazing, Rafael was too. Fabio, Fred were meh. Anthony is on the way to being meh aswel.
Casemiro, started off world class but not sure what to make of him now in a United shirt.
 

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Come to think of it. Have we ever had a really successful Brazilian player? Anderson was decent but nothing amazing, Rafael was too. Fabio, Fred were meh. Anthony is on the way to being meh aswel.
I think our experience of Brazilians forces us to block out the fact that Uncle Case is Brazilian! :lol:
 

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Been three right backs I have wanted us to sign over the alst two seasons....Gusto gone to CHelsea, Livaramento to Newcastle, Vanderson is the only other one.

Still think it was a mistake keeping both Dalot and Bissaka, both have flaws. I dont think its wrong to label one a defensive right back and the other an attacking one if really generalising.

And for me that is one of the msitakes Ten Hag has done so far, giving Dalot a new contract. My impression was he was thinkng of selling Bissaka but his form changed his mind.

Bissaka is far from perfect defensively, though he is improving the weak areas I feel....and that is why always for me we shoul dhave sold DAlor and signed one of those three right backs....as DAlot isnt a great attacking right back, all three of those would have been offensively a big improvement in terms of an attacking full back and a much better option to complement and compete with Bissaka as two differnt options.

For me, we have missed the boat now though and a second cb is more important too.

But I like Vanderson, still a bit raw liek Gusto but he looks very excitig going forward
 

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Name sounds like he is the offspring of a former Dutch goalkeeper who played for United.
 

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Vanderson son son
He’s better than Anderson
Vanderson son son
Never mind this guy did it better

Vanderson son son
Almost as good as Henderson
Vanderson son son
He’s our right back third option

In the wrong in the right
Hope he doesn’t beat his wife
He’s got class on the brass
And he shit’s on the lavatory
 

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Been three right backs I have wanted us to sign over the alst two seasons....Gusto gone to CHelsea, Livaramento to Newcastle, Vanderson is the only other one.

Still think it was a mistake keeping both Dalot and Bissaka, both have flaws. I dont think its wrong to label one a defensive right back and the other an attacking one if really generalising.

And for me that is one of the msitakes Ten Hag has done so far, giving Dalot a new contract. My impression was he was thinkng of selling Bissaka but his form changed his mind.

Bissaka is far from perfect defensively, though he is improving the weak areas I feel....and that is why always for me we shoul dhave sold DAlor and signed one of those three right backs....as DAlot isnt a great attacking right back, all three of those would have been offensively a big improvement in terms of an attacking full back and a much better option to complement and compete with Bissaka as two differnt options.

For me, we have missed the boat now though and a second cb is more important too.

But I like Vanderson, still a bit raw liek Gusto but he looks very excitig going forward
Dalot is not an 'offensive right back’ at all. That was just a label he had earned a while back by virtue of him being terrible defensively at the time. In reality, Wan Bissaka is also better than him going forward.
 
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