VAR Decisions - PL 19/20 Season

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Are you in favour of VAR in the PL?

Poll closed Aug 16, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Aug 10, 2019
    #81

    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    For when the officials make egregious mistakes that are unjust.
  2. Aug 10, 2019
    #82

    Johan07 Full Member

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    But that wont work either. If you introduce a ”leeway”of say a feet or even centimeters, you will just have moved the goalposts and the argument to another baseline.
    It actually makes complete sense to have it like it is now if we accept that VAR should be there in the first place.
  3. Aug 10, 2019
    #83

    RyRy11 Full Member

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    But that’s the rule, it always has been just now we’ve eliminated human error
  4. Aug 10, 2019
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    Jacob Full Member

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    VAR can feck off, all the magic is gone.
  5. Aug 10, 2019
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    Fully Fledged Full Member

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    He can read my post I'm sure.
  6. Aug 10, 2019
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    Utd heap Full Member

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    The worst thing that has ever happened to football.
  7. Aug 10, 2019
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    Another correct decision though. What are you gonna do? Imagine losing the league title because a goalkeeper saves a penalty off his line and there’s no option to review.
  8. Aug 10, 2019
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    Emptihead New Member

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    For a while I have said the same thing about close offsides calls. I think the bar for offsides during VAR should be that they check the frame chosen as the moment the ball is struck as well as the one before and after. If the player is onsides in any of those three frames it is onside.
  9. Aug 10, 2019
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    I can’t say I disagree with any of the decisions made today (including the re-take of the penalty) but boy is this going to be fun
  10. Aug 10, 2019
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    ForestRGoinUp New Member

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    It only makes sense if you want to destroy the sport. TV subscriptions will be canceled or never purchased.
  11. Aug 10, 2019
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    Mibabalou Full Member

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    Totally too much with the pk encroachment, but that’s more to do with the way the law is written.
  12. Aug 10, 2019
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    The point is that they have built a degree of margin of error into the system because if LBWs were given to the nearest centimetre or millimetre then it's not in the spirit of the game.

    Similarly, in my view, it's not in the spirit of the game for offsides to be given over such marginal distances. The other VAR decision that has just been given, with the keeper coming miles off his line for a penalty, I'm 100% in favour of being given, because he's cheated, done so deliberately, and gained an unfair advantage.

    Overall, I'm pro-VAR, but it has to be implemented with some common sense. In my view, it's not common sense if you're looking at every single goal, and then ruling them out because a player was so marginally offside that it is literally impossible to see it with the naked eye.
  13. Aug 10, 2019
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    The Stain Soccer Manager's Highwayman

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    No penalty saves this season then.
  14. Aug 10, 2019
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    R'hllor Full Member

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    Oo
  15. Aug 10, 2019
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    Nope. There was a time when the rule was clear daylight between the attacker and the defender.
  16. Aug 10, 2019
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    cyberman Full Member

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    But cricket can't combat a drizzle so lets not go too mad about a different sport
  17. Aug 10, 2019
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    Fair point, and VAR is new so this is something they can consider going forward. It’s going to take a little time to refine the system.
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    Reddy Rederson New Member

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    Still prefer my way of doing it, where managers get to challenge a ref decision a certain number of times per game. This checking every little detail constantly is kinda shit.
  19. Aug 10, 2019
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    Speedy30 Liverpool Fan

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    The NFL model is brilliant but that's been honed over many years and with the game having so many natural breaks, it has the time to explain everything
  20. Aug 10, 2019

    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    We'd have to define egregious mistakes, I get you in spirit and hopefully common sense should prevail but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
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    Well, I'm just giving an example. In my view, decision-making should always be in the spirit of the game. And, in my opinion, it's not in the spirit of the game to give someone offside because their finger is marginally offside, even if you have the technology to do it.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    The offside thing is the only thing I have an issue with, there should be a 5cm tolerance or something.
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    Chunk of hope New Member

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    you can't be offside if it's your arm
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    DixieDean Everton Fan

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    This is going to be a long-ass thread come the end of the season.
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    Slevs likes to play with penises

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    Will VAR be used during penalty shootouts?
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    I'd agree with that, considering how things evolved in football with the new rules, they might tweak its application.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    Aren't we going to have the same issue when a player is half a centre beyond it though? I think the offside rule as a whole needs looking at.
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    Johan07 Full Member

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    So you want to change the offside rule to its OK to be 5 cm ”offside”? Because that is what you are saying. VAR will still rule out goals that are 5,5 cms offside and people will moan over that.
    It does not make sense.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Completely ludicrous calls on the Jesus 2nd and Aguero pen
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    BlueMoonOutcast Rag in Disguise

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    There is no longer a point in celebrating a Premier League goal. That's what VAR has brought us.
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    Pughnichi New Member

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    Well judging by my annoyance that city had it disallowed...no. I wouldn’t

    All for us winning but that just seems ridiculous to me
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    What's wrong with the Aguero pen ? Encroachment is prohibited, players have been warned, yet it didn't prevent dumb Rice from doing it.
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    It's hard to see which frame that shows when the ball is played, I'd argue that both city goals that went to var were wrong when the ball was played
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    It was offside, get over it.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    A- it played no part in Aguero missing
    B- Rice encroached again when it was retaken even if it was less obvious
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    Bearded One Full Member

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    VAR is not flawless. Its embarrasing that City won because of an offside goal by Sterling. Before then it was anyone's game. Two Norwich potential opportunities were wrongly flagged offside yesterday so no-VAR isn't the solution either.
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    Thing is the fairest line to draw is at offside or not. 5 cm tolerance would add subjectivity with some goals accepted and some refused in similar circumstances.

    If VAR can clearly show the offside it should be sanctioned. The margin of error where it's impossible to decide is enough.
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    Shouldn't City's 5th goal have been checked for the foul on the West Ham guy in the build up?

    Or was it checked and they thought it wasn't a foul?
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    That's not part of the rules though. They just don't have to do it, period.