Really weird that Old Trafford and Anfield don’t have big screens installed when it’s the norm at top flight grounds.
What is the reason for this?
What is the reason for this?
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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Fitting them in retrospectively would mean taking seats out, and who wants fewer seats? If stands were re-developed it would be possible to hang them off the roof and things, but I suspect they would have to be designed for that in the first place.
Surely all FA cup games should have VAR?
Dosen't matter in context of game but Iwobi a clear yard offside yet goal is given.
Dosen't matter in context of game but Iwobi a clear yard offside yet goal is given.
Not a fan of this as it takes too long, decision went in in our favour today but it will most likely go against us at some point as well.
I was talking to the guy next to me about this today, I guess they could put something above the scoreboards and it would not restrict anyone view.
Highly unlikely we will remodel the ground but if we did I guess screens in the quadrants would work, they do it the Grand Final every year but it means you loose a hew hundred seats.
I was talking to the guy next to me about this today, I guess they could put something above the scoreboards and it would not restrict anyone view.
Highly unlikely we will remodel the ground but if we did I guess screens in the quadrants would work, they do it the Grand Final every year but it means you loose a hew hundred seats.
May be only teams can decide to use VAR not referee, each team is given 3 chances or limited number.
I also called that it was a penalty really quickly. With VAR it was so obvious penalty was the right decision I was screaming for it too & couldn’t understand why the commentators weren’t even mentioning it as a possibility.
Even with VAR that took 3 minutes to reach that conclusion. Right decision but took way too long to reach.
In Portugal they are faster than they used to be, the only time that takes time is when the ref is called to watch the video which is rare.
You can call it knowing that it won't affect anything or knowing it will change everything, 2 thing, you can see it and say why the delay, if using it, it has to be right..
I think you’re making the case against VAR there- yes if you delve deep into the situation you can waste 2,3, 5, 10 minutes analysing to death what’s the correct decision.
At the end of the day is it worth it is the question? That Burnley incident was ridiculous today but the main worry is where will it stop?
A 50/50 foul in the middle of the pitch can be a ‘game changing’ descion, as can a wrongly awarded throw in, corner, etc. If we’re doing this in interest of getting more decisions correct why not in those?
Also for replays for offside we have to be really careful about where we stop the freeze frame of when exactly the ball leaves a players foot as can make all the difference.
VAR isn’t as great as many think it is & those that disagree with it certainly aren’t ‘living in caves’ Which is really condescending by the way. I’m a progressive in many areas of life but doesn’t mean we should be introducing new technologies in everything just because we can.
You just know that the breaks in play will become monetised.
I expect VAR pauses will have specialised short ads aired during them. It could mean bigger TV revenues in future.
I expect VAR pauses will have specialised short ads aired during them. It could mean bigger TV revenues in future.
Isn't that due to the incompetence of the ref instead of the VAR?
Welcome to instant replay. And stoppages. And adverts during delays that are going to be longer and longer if the advertising companies get there way.
This penalty VAR stoppage is sponsored by Coca Cola.
This throw in VAR stoppage is sponsored by Hyuandi.
This random 50/50 tackle in the middle of the pitch VAR stoppage is sponsored by Amstel
This throw in VAR stoppage is sponsored by Hyuandi.
This random 50/50 tackle in the middle of the pitch VAR stoppage is sponsored by Amstel
Congratulations to the Pepsi Man of the Match™ for his winning goal in the last minute !
It was offside but "humans make mistakes" so feck you right ?
It was offside but "humans make mistakes" so feck you right ?
It's this way in NBA, it never bothered me a bit.
Well that’s NBA.
This is football where most people don’t want lots of stoppages in a game ruining the flow of it
Well yeh..VAR won’t get everything right either because football is a subjective sport..
It’s a wonder the game got as popular as it did before VAR saving us from all the terrible mistakes in the game.
It doesn't cause sotppages, it's just that there's a logo when the hightlights starts and the journalist says "this is replay is presentend by State Farm".
Pogba's injury layoff because a player who should've been sent off earlier in the game for a studs-up tackle went in again and this time broke his leg is sponsored by rafaeldagold.
Hmm nice try but no. In that situation a good ref should see that- but even if not what if this reckless player you describe breaks someone else’s leg after his ban? The player you describe will still injure someone at somepoint. VAR can’t change his behaviour.
Do you think pre VAR the game is just littered with broken legs everywhere?
Well, the point is that if Shelvey knows he can't get away with a tackle like the one on Pogba (which we've seen that he can without VAR and a flawed system for applying retrospective actions) then he's going to try it (again). Do you not think that players will think twice about doing stuff like that, or diving, or faking injury, if they know VAR is in action?
No, I'm not saying that we're seeing broken legs everywhere, but I'd rather make the rule change before it happens rather than going "oh shit we had this thought, maybe we should implement it now after this guy's broken his legs". That's not going to help the guy in a cast, is it?
Every time I've discussed VAR with you you've blabbered on about "a good ref should be able to see that" or some variation thereof. Where are these good referees? Where was this good ref against Newcastle? There are none, either because they're incompetent or because the game's moving too fast for them. How do we make them better, thereby negating the need for VAR? You've dodged this question for at least half a year, since we were discussing this exact same thing during the World Cup.
If referees were good, then we wouldn't need VAR. We don't have good referees, therefore we need VAR. Thankfully every big league agrees with me and disagrees with you.
I think the penalty call against Reading was a step in the right direction for VAR. The obvious downside was the time taken for the decision to be reached, but the stepping stone for me was the referee not having to treck across the pitch to watch it himself. The fourth or fifth official should just have the power to make the decision after reviewing the replay. The on-pitch referee does not have to be the centre of attention or final decision maker when someone else has a better view of the more game-changing moments.
If the video referee was allowed to just say "it's a clear penalty, give it" instead of having to be asked "did the final touch come off a United player? Was it offside? Is it a penalty?" it would have taken 30 seconds instead of over two minutes. It is an obvious, easy fix to make VAR a smoother process.
If the video referee was allowed to just say "it's a clear penalty, give it" instead of having to be asked "did the final touch come off a United player? Was it offside? Is it a penalty?" it would have taken 30 seconds instead of over two minutes. It is an obvious, easy fix to make VAR a smoother process.
You guys are funny you know it has already been implanted into a world cup, 3 top leagues and has shown to be a great success?
Seems only the English media who keep complaining
Seems only the English media who keep complaining
Never knew such a beautiful arrangement of letters could create so much destruction.Bravo.
Like with most things, the more it's used the more comfy the refs will be with it
And it will take less time eventually
The thing is were getting right decisions for majority now
And it will take less time eventually
The thing is were getting right decisions for majority now
‘We don’t have good referees so we need VAR’..that’s just not how it has to be. You’re fundamentally changing the game, creating stoppages, ruining the flow, wasting time, causing confusion to those in the stadium & at home because you want a bit more accuracy (not total as you can’t in football- it’s a subjective spirt especially with penalties)
Is it worth it? For you it is, for me & many others no.
How do we make refs better? Better training I guess.
& it’s not about who’s right or wrong & who agrees with you- we can have our own opinions without you thinking you’re 100% right. Brexit was supported by more people- does that mean that’s right, I’m wrong for being against it & i should just fall in line?
Oh & players will actually dive more now knowing var is in action as even a slight brush or minimal contact will have a good chance of being a pen. Things look worst in slow mo. Same at corners- you’ll see about 5 penalties & disallowed goals a game
Except that isn't how it works at all. It has been used for literally thousands of games over several countries and none of this has ever happened but congrats on completely making shit up.
Not a fan of VAR. Just sick of television’s distortion of our great game and this technology is an outcome of Sky’s continuing pressure to control the game. Ever since England’s disallowed goal against Germany, Sky demanded the use of cameras. We should say ‘no’ to cameras and ‘yes’ to preserving the human interaction throughout the game.
I agree. Revisit this in a few years and most will be clamoring for the good old days that didn't have instant replay. By then it will be too late. It is here to stay and advertisers will never let it go no matter what. It will evolve over time to include things that it wasn't meant to change. Throw ins ect..
Yes it's getting calls right, but at what cost. There will be more angles looked at with endless reviews.
You do realise there are currently leagues in Europe that use VAR and are not seeing 5 penalties a game?Edit: You don't have to read or respond to the entire post if you don't want. All I ask is that you don't dodge the question in bold.
Again with the "better training I guess" response. The only thing missing is the shrug emoji, so I've added it for you.
You're telling me that André Marriner, full-time ref with a yearly salary from refereeing of over £50k, doesn't send Jonjo Shelvey off for raking his studs down Pogba's hamstring because he hasn't had enough training? Or because he hasn't been to enough "what's a red card offense" seminars?
Brexit analogy doesn't really hold because presumably you have some arguments beyond "Better training for EU officials I guess" for believing what you believe in terms of Brexit?
You're really going to have to do better than that if you want to defend the opinion that VAR isn't needed in football. It's clearly needed because referees are making horrible mistakes week in, week out. I get that you're clinging on to your idea of what football's supposed to be like, with no stoppages or anything, but back in the day we didn't have stoppages for players feigning injury either, diving wasn't as widespread as it is, and the pace of the game was much slower, allowing refs to actually see most of the action. Football's different now and that's why technology is needed to help referees out. I'd rather "waste" four minutes of my life* to see a fair result than be pissed off for an entire weekend because we got shafted by the ref.
* The VAR delays, how do they affect your life? Are you one of those that make plans that hinge on you leaving the house as soon as the 90+3 minutes are up? Do they fall apart if there's an injury delay? Because for me, I'm sitting there watching the post-game coverage anyway, or I'm waiting for the next game to start, so it's not affecting me in the slightest. If anything, it's making the post-game wait for the next game a bit shorter.
You have any facts to show that rather than hearsay?
That’s the thing though isn’t it, there isn’t any facts to prove whether it’s a success or not, yet people still argue their side as if it’s clear cut when it’s actually all just opinions.
Some thought the World Cup was a raging VAR success, I and others thought it highlighted issues and was a bit of a joke. (Even with some correct turn around decisions)
Sigh. There was a link to a study about VAR in Serie A i think a few pages behind, surely around the World Cup discussion that showed the percentage improvements of correct decisions, errors avoided, time played, and behavior changes (less simulations...)
It's like being on a loop, it's exhausting.Fortunately the decision has been made, VAR won. Can't wait for next season when i'm sure no one will overreact at the first issue with the system.
If you think that interfering with play, stopping potential counter attacks and choosing when to actually use VAR or not to have a few extra (occasionally) subjective decisions correct then it’s your opinion.
You can sigh and show me all the correct var decisions you like.
You said "there's no proof it's just opinions", i'm telling you that a study has been done showing otherwise.Have you finished reading it already ?
I don't need to show you anything, Sky and BT will do it in UHD starting next season, please contact your provider to subscribe to a Sports package.
You said "there's no proof it's just opinions", i'm telling you that a study has been done showing otherwise.Have you finished reading it already ?
I don't need to show you anything, Sky and BT will do it in UHD starting next season, please contact your provider to subscribe to a Sports package.
Why the need to be so unfunny and attempted condescending when replying? Quite bizarre.
I said there’s no proof whether it’s been a success or not. Yes you have proof correct decisions have been made, but there’s also been comical errors.
I’m sorry and don’t want go around in circles but in my opinion, it has not been an outright game changing success yet. It may well get there, at the moment it hasn’t.
Just seen Fulham’s pen in the FA cup on MOTD that VAR didn’t overturn. More evidence of it being a success
Yep all those in favour of VAR are really condescending on here. It’s childish & a bit odd.
They think VAR is the best thing that’s ever happened to football & if anyone disagrees they must be mentally not all there. When in fact if they decided to look at it in depth & realise all the potential harm & fundamental changing of the game for not much gain they’d intact see that they’re the ones who are ‘cavemen’ for not thinking about VAR a bit more deeply.