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Viktor Gyökeres
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His wages will be 3 or 4 x Hojlunds
I think the relationship with Amorim is way overstated.
He played for Amorim for little over a year - not exactly a long time in his career.
His price (like Osimhen's) is a joke. Bargain for striker with those stats.
Go and watch an Isak goal compilation and you'll see the majority of his goals this season aren't dissimilar. The simple truth is most goals come from the striker being left space the PL isn't some mythical defensive league without defensive errors or transitions. In the PL they might have had lots of failed opportunities to get that clear chance but the ones that go in tend to be space driven. He won't score as many because the defending is better but he'll still score 15-20 such is his quality.
Gyokeres is strong, quick, and has great ball control. He'll have absolutely no problem finding space or making the space for a shot himself. The only concern is he's another striker with limited ability aerially.
Also I think it's quite telling that those who have watched his games rate him highly whilst the doubts are coming from those looking at videos and stats.
Sure, let’s look at Isak’s goals:
Whilst a few are scrappy or via opposition error or calamity, the majority show a striker who is dangerous in every area of the attack who has vast array of finishes in his locker. The compilation also shows a striker who is effective in the air. Most importantly of all, the compilation constantly shows Isak operating against deep lines and coming alive with a number of bodies around him. The two compilations aren’t alike - you can very clearly see who the higher rated striker is.
As for rating him, I find it interesting that you think placing him below two of the best strikers in the world and the best strikers in the PL is the equivalent of having doubts. You’ve also repeated the same goal expectation as the post you’ve quoted…
Objectivity is always paramount.
If we don't get involved for around the 60 million being thrown around then our finances really must be in a terrible state.... or we're extremely confident of getting Delap for 30 million.
True. Until there are hard offers on the table, the higher quality journos aren't likely to commit to one club being the likely suitors.
With Delap joining Chelsea, hope we are in for him and he's willing to join us.
Sounds like he’s being sounded out by the likely players for his signature: Chelsea and Arsenal now? We going to do anything or has he already told us no?
I’d imagine we knew this was a non-starter a while ago. Amorim is probably still in touch with him.
Should be offering him the world; his job is on the line without a top #9.
We really need Amorim to pull something out of the bag here.
Arsenal can obviously offer the better opportunity, and maybe finances, because of the CL. Im just hoping there is a relationship between Amorim and VG than convince him to to come to us.
Arsenal can obviously offer the better opportunity, and maybe finances, because of the CL. Im just hoping there is a relationship between Amorim and VG than convince him to to come to us.
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Isak is objectively the most complete forward on the market, and id argue he’s the most complete forward in world football more so than Haaland, Mbappe etc.
He can perform every type of striker role to at least PL level which is absolutely crazy.
Gyokeres, while a good striker, isn’t anywhere near his technical level.
100% with you on this @Fortitude
We really shouldn’t. This is how we’ve gotten into so much trouble.
59m for a transfer fee is probably just about ok, but we can’t be offering 200k a week plus for a striker based on their performances from a weak Portuguese league.
This is one we can’t get wrong, VG carries huge amounts of risk, we need someone that has proven themselves at the too level.
Don’t know if you’ve seen the last episode of The Overlap, but even Henry and Wright were cooing over Isak. Think he’s got better to come, yet on top of that.
Brilliant player.
I keep seeing this plea. With our limited budget and limited ability to attract elite players, who the hell are we talking about?
We will have to compromise on something. Experience, age, track record etc. Something has to give here.
We’ve put ourselves in a position where if we’re not careful, we’re going to reduce ourselves to a club that is an afterthought for the best or better players - our problem has been bad buys over the cost of them and that’s what we desperately need to fix.
It comes down to how you rate Gyökeres, ultimately. For me, we’re not in a position where we can dither and pick up players who are hardly rated, which reduces the options considerably. If Amorim doesn’t fancy him, then OK, but if we’re actually sticking with this guy and backing him, he needs a rated #9.
Think what you might of Gyökeres, but of the available players, he’s a high-end prospect.
Not sure exactly what you mean by the second bolded, but if it means what I think it means, you’re talking about a striker that will cost even more than Gyökeres for the fact they are proven and seen as bona fide, top class PL stock.
He ain't coming here. No chance.
I don’t think it has to get top #9. It just can't be a badly malfunctioning one.
Plenty of teams do alright without a top 9, you just compensate in different ways.
We just can't get it badly wrong again. We can't get another 9 who only has 13 shots on target a season.
Sign him with a clause that he can leave for £60m next summer if we don't get top 4. Go all in and take the risk. We have to be creative in our current position.
I really haven't watched many Sporting matches at all these last two years and have mainly seen highlight videos. But to be honest I found this every touch compilation from the final against Benfica pretty fecking worrying as an Arsenal supporter. Sporting makes it hard on him playing long so often but there are so many miscontrols and poorly placed passes and what happens when he's under even more pressure from quicker and more physical defenders in the PL? And yes maybe he makes up for that by being a killer in the box but unless that box contribution is really high there are potential huge costs to carrying a player like this, especially for a team trying to play with the ball. I just don't know if the technical level is high enough.
I agree – signing this guy for £60m out of the Portuguese league is a huge gamble. There's no other way to dress it up.
Those are my concerns about him too. Just doesn't have the top level of technique to be an elite striker in the prem. He's pretty good though and knows where the net is, and would definitely raise United's ceiling. Arsenal should be aiming higher though if they want to challenge Liverpool.
I still believe Arteta has Sesko as his #1 priority for striker. The rest is just rumors.
The camera shots from on the pitch at the beginning make that stadium look absolutely beautiful.
I’m not sure how I rate him, that’s a big part of the problem for me. I’m scarred by the ETH former player signings.
If VG was on the club radar for a extended period of time, and there is broad consensus for him, then I guess it’s fine. If it’s the manager saying “I know a guy I used to work with…..” then the experience of the last 4 years worries me.
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Not seen it yet, it’s on my watch later for when I cook tonight.
I don’t understand how anyone can watch Isak and not see how unique he is as a striker.
So much of what Amorim wants his teams to do revolves around a dependable striker facilitating - if you want to see the #10’s and the wingbacks really flying, the #9 has to be able to bring them into the play. Crystal Palace’s goal in the FA Cup final exemplified this:
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Using the same system as Amorim, but with dependable cogs.
Gyökeres can do that as well as the goal scorer stuff. It’d be a revelation compared to what we have been served up. As rigid as Amorim is, he really needs his #9, and the more tried and tested in his system, the better, unless we have the coin for the next levels of striker, which we decidedly do not.
I think also, the level of striker we need is going to cost Gyökeres money, be it Mateta or whoever else we go in for.
I do wonder what will happen to him if Arsenal get Sesko and Liverpool get Ekitike. Doesn’t seem to be any other top team left for him at that point
For Amorim, the #9 really is the focal point. We hired him on the basis of backing his system. He's been stubbornly rigid in it and is only confident about his plan on the basis of us getting that CF who can execute it.
Changing his system because he can't sign a CF, then you might as well abandon the plan, get a different manager or be prepared to write off another season.
Gyökeres is rightly rated for what he’s done the last couple of seasons - he can’t do much more to prove he’s ready for the step up. The clubs that have need of a striker and go in for him are the barometer for how highly he’s rated. I think he’s exactly where he is supposed to be in terms of current standing; nobody calls him elite or one of the world’s best and he still has it all to prove in a top league. I think that fairly brackets him as a low end A or top end B class player, which is why his valuation is fair instead of ridiculous, like you would expect to pay for the elites, who are all 9-figure players with the exception of age on Kane’s and Lewandowski’s part.
I don’t get why there’s so much hesitancy over him for us; I think it’s different for Arsenal, but our needs don’t necessarily dovetail with theirs given what our coach needs from a #9. But then again, if they have actually been quoted £92m for Sesko, it’s no wonder Gyökeres is a player to move on to.
It's not even being out of Europe next season, it's years of issues at United that I think will probably put him off unfortunately.
Funny that I thought he looks quite decent in suboptimal conditions. Back against several CBs, little runners beside/near him and no space to collect the ball. Looks Lewandoski-lite. He didn't have the cleanest layoffs in some situations but he held the ball and was fairly progressive with most of his touches or ball carrying. He has a good first step of acceleration and clearly has good shooting technique also. For the money quoted (sub £65m?), I think he's as good of a buy as it gets IMO. There's obviously a risk of course especially with his age as he'll need to fit the team right away.
On a separate note, it would interesting to see an Isak all touch compilation but I'm trying to and have failed thus far. I'm not sure if his overall impact is as consistent as the hype he gets is. There's no doubt he's really talented and perhaps ready for the step up to a title challenging team though.
Chelsea involved in this one too? Is their transfer strategy to go after every player and see what sticks?
or he doesn't want to join a struggling club that's a graveyard for promising strikers
Agree especially PL defenders are more physical, higher intensity and speed too. His play is eerily similar to Hojlund.
I think player/manager relationships often are. ETH went after players he knew while we were in a good position and we paid them well. I think most players are likely to be driven by money and prestige competitions, as you'd expect when this is their job and not an old boy get together
Højlund is so sluggish though, and constantly mistimed in everything that he does. Gyökeres is a complete pestilence and makes life hard with his tenacity, hunger and speed.
The only way he will join United is by giving him a huge salary. It seems that the other teams pursuing him offer him around 120-150k max. (plus a minor signon)