This is true...Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the problem go away you know?
About him wanting a contract that justifies his worth? Personally, I don't understand why he'd want to leave Pool for Juve. Real or Barca coming in would change that but not Juve. At the same time, if he and his agent aren't demanding wages in the range of 300k+ soon enough, they're stupid.
Why are they stupid? Look at his career the only club he’s earned really big money is at Liverpool and even that compared to other world class players is not a lot. It’s not like De Ligt. Van Dijk in 3 or 4 years due to his age won’t be able to make those wage demands.
I think he wanted to say the opposite but forgot a word
Was supposed to be 'aren't'
No we don't. He has a contract that runs until 2023.
Yes you do. You couldn't afford to have unsettled and unhappy and keep him
He’s not gonna be satisfied on those same wages until 2023. Especially if he maintains his form.
Tbf, this can be applied to life. Most people are only as loyal as their options.
Yes, upsetting your most important and irreplaceable player always works out well.
He will probably ask for a bigger pay check and we will probably offer it, but I can't see us paying £300k a week. I'm not sure how much we offer in bonus'es.
This one aged well...Most expensive defender in the world.
Let that sink in..
Just like spoilt milk (and yourself)
In fairness if you weren’t here there’d be no opposition which would make it much less fun.
If you want to be serious though I still don't think VVD is legendary centre half level. He's not in the same bracket of some of the very best and will have to deliver a few years at top level to be considered a Cannavaro, Ramos, Maldini, Ferdinand, Vidic etc.
No he won't, he's already proved he's top class. He's been with us for 2 years now & produced the goods game after game after game. Do you honestly believe that's some sort of fluke & one day he'll transform into a Phil Babb ? You guys called us delusional for years. The shoe seems to be on the other foot now.
He was better last season than this for me. And if you're seriously placing him in the same bracket as defenders who were world class for 5+ years consistently you're as deluded yourself.
Most people judge a player's greatness by a combination of longevity, personal peak and team success. Van Dijk doesn't have a lot of longevity or team success yet, compared to the other legendary defenders. Seems likely he will but if he doesn't, if his career suddenly ended tomorrow, most people wouldn't think of him as a legendary defender. No delusions about it. Just a different way of assessing a player, if that's not how you do it. But I reckon there's probably lots of posts from you judging players in exactly the same way when they weren't in your team.
Good post. Pretty much this. Not sure why the scouse can't enjoy their success without having to be like that cnut no one likes at the pub. You know the one that likes to try and show off about everything. Just enjoy your renaissance and stop trying to push opinions of greatness on everyone. The credit will rightly come when is due. Begging for it is just pathetic.
OK so tell me what qualities the likes of Rio & Vidic had that VVD hasn't. He's got pace, dominant in the air, good on the ball, excellent passer, scores goals, a strong leader. You're off your head mate if you think he's not worthy of standing shoulder to shoulder with those 2. The whole footballing world outside of Old Trafford would probably think the same.
It's not about the qualities its how long and at what level has been displaying them for. Read @Brwned post and give your head a wobble. He's played at the top level for just under two years and you want to proclaim him as the same level as Maldini and co. feck off.
He’s had an odd career trajectory but the levels he’s reaching right now stands alongside any top PL of the past decade or so. If the only argument against him is that his heights have been relatively recent then I guess the confines of the discussion restrict a comparison to longer serving top players. Fair enough.
Might be the shock factor that made it seem like he was better last season maybe? He was a decent player at Southampton but not anywhere close to being considered world class, and then we signed him and he went up a level or two. Everyone starts noticing him and it seems like he was playing at a more elite level last season. Now we’re all used to seeing him play at that level so it doesn’t seem as impressive?
It's to do with how long he keeps it going. I'm not sure what's controversial to some about that? It's more controversial to start trying to proclaim him as the best CB in the world ever when he's only been doing it for 18 months.
Insecure wankers.
You didn't answer my question regarding how your 2 guys were superior to VVD. I'll take it you can't then. Understandable I suppose. & yes I did read @Brwned's post about longentivity = legend. Can we take it then that Phil Neville has widespread legendary status because he was at United for quite some time & won a shitload of trophies ? But listen, I understand. I'm on a Manchester United forum & appreciate that you, & others, are keen to protect the memories & status you have of your great players from the past. But I'm sure if you went outside of your own little world & heard from footballing neutrals then most would have VVD listed as a legend already.
I've not watched him as closely as you so I won't argue. He just seems a bit more error prone and vulnerable but I might just have caught him at a bad time.
