When he first asks her out in the bar, he states their relationship ends tragically, so their love was definitely contingent on his death. Its exactly what is discussed on the show, for different reasons. Chicken or the egg. If he knew their love would end tragically why even ask her to dinner? Why not just stay on Europa and avoid all of this entirely? Because he already had, just as he had already died, being in each moment simultaneously.
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Yes I understand all that. And it could totally have worked. Just make his death believable, instead of preposterous. My problem isn't with the theory, it's with the execution.
Have you watched it yet?
Nope!
I think I will start this today. I just re-watched the film.
I just watched the first episode of this tonight (slow to catch up I guess). Already feel invested in it. Interesting though how it already set the stage that explains why so many boomers think so differently about gender relations - men AND women.
I just watched the last two eps last night - I was a bit late to the party. I can understand your disdain for his demise pans out, but the more I've thought about it, the more it makes sense. It defo works better probably as a self-contained season, but saying that, another one would be cool.
But isn't he generally apathetic to everything? His death doesn't mean anything in the greater scheme of things and he comes to the realisation at the end of the graphic novel that everything ends so why fight it.
Plus given his powers, Doctor Manhattan is pretty lame tbh.
Finally finished this.
Definitely my favorite single season of Television of the 2010s.
People keep talking about Lindelof but David Gibbons presence probably made this as good as it was.
Definitely my favorite single season of Television of the 2010s.
People keep talking about Lindelof but David Gibbons presence probably made this as good as it was.
I don’t know about the decade, but it was my favorite this past year for sure.
This was Chernobyl, True Detective S1, GoT S2-4 level excellence by HBO.
This was Chernobyl, True Detective S1, GoT S2-4 level excellence by HBO.
For me I thought True Detective was alright but overrated and the others were really good but not on Watchmen level.
The show was incredible, the issue I had with the final was the only real reason Lady Trieu needed to be stopped was some vague idea from Ozy that she was a narcissist. Has she really done that much wrong all season? Her point that DrM never used his powers to help with the planet , renewable energy etc is a good one. I mean Ozy was saved by her, she is his daughter, she intends to help the world and he still feels that she can’t be trusted? Why? I didn’t buy that. I didn’t want her plan to be foiled, which tells me her being the ‘baddie’ wasn’t written well enough.
but overall it was amazing television. Great soundtrack too.
but overall it was amazing television. Great soundtrack too.
Yeah, he is portrayed much better in the comics (original Watchmen and Doomsday Clock).
Think they were going for more than that. Ozy was supposed to be jealous of her having overtaken him in terms of inventions. Don't think it was as simple as the explanation give by him on the show. That is why they needed more time in between the two sequences. As far as Lady Trieu is concerned, I don't think she was a stereotypical villain. Though her killing Dr M to attain her powers definitely is out and out bad even if she was planning to do good with his powers.
no worse than Ozy killing 3 million people to save a nuclear war. Dr M was doing sweet feck all with his powers, killing him in order to help the planet was for the greater good. Ozy is the bigger evil here for stopping her, and Dr M is compicit in that by aiding him to do so.
I thought it was fairly clear she was a little bit mental and had a god complex. She brought her mum back as a clone child. The scene with the family at the house where she created their own child for them then threatened to take it away, effectively playing at being god. Her general arrogance and absurdity. She was quite a narcissistic and cold character. She saw herself and her ability to have control as the only important part of any situation. She also showed no real emotion, even when murdering a large number of people (albeit racists) in the last episode. Compare that to the Hooded Justice episode where he also resorted to murder, but as a direct emotional response after being pushed and pushed by a series of trigger points...and she had I thought a clear distain for America and the occupation of her home country. She mentioned it's how her mother was killed. She was literally called Lady Trieu...named after an actual historical figure who fought for vietnamese people against supression.
I also think part of the point was that nothing really is black and white, which is also part of why Dr Manhattan didn't do the things he could have, because he is flawed the same as everyone else. Anyone who thinks they have the right to do whatever they want in the name of being right, is effectively deciding what is and isn't right and acting as god. So by definition anyone who wants that power shouldn't be allowed to have it. I think Ozy pretty much said exactly this and then said "takes one to know one" in reference to Trieu. When you think about it this does sum up Trieu and her behaviour throughout the series. Her plan was effectively to become god.
Looks like we’re only getting the one season after all. Oh well, it was a fantastic season anyway.
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Perfect, it was only downhill from there.
Sad but happy.
How on earth did I not realise that James Crockett was Judd in this show?! Don Johnson is only the fecking man!!
Just finished it. Really enjoyed it, some amazing episodes along the way (notably the flashback one and A God walks into Abar).
Glad to see @Mockney has finally come around regarding Lindelof. Have you watched The Leftovers yet Mockers?
Glad to see @Mockney has finally come around regarding Lindelof. Have you watched The Leftovers yet Mockers?
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This was good. Nice cinematography, good performances all round (especially Irons as Ozymandias), and good incorporation of historical events like the original story. But I do feel that in the same way Snyder loves Rorschach more than Moore did, Lindelof is too big a fan of Ozy. While the graphic novel isn't clear about which of the Minutemen is in the right, this show seems to assume that Adrian actually did save humanity. It would seem that his only flaw is being an asshole that no one can tolerate.
Not surprising. Same with a bunch of some of the other nominations. Obviously not someone who criticizes attention to real racial issues and that it wasnt a great show - but Hollywood I'm sure will do some considerable pandering with their awards this year. Expecting Little Fires Everywhere to win some awards too for instance.
Don't be so ridiculous. The show was amazing. I'd say the only thing as good as it I've seen this year was Succession, which also got a feck-tonne of nominations.
What a bizarre thing to say. This was one of the best TV shows of the year. Little Fires Everywhere is in the same category as Watchmen and Mrs America so I don't see it winning any awards except may be best actress one for Kerry Washignton if she beats out Regina King or Cate Blanchett.
Not sure why it's seen as such a bizarre thing to say. It wouldn't be the first time Hollywood or any other industry does it for that matter, and it won't be the last. I don't disagree it was a great show but I disagree that it was head and shoulders above some of the other mentions, or at least the amount of nominations is disproportionately high imho. Kerry Washington should be a shoe in for best supporting actress.
I don't think Hollywood has anything to do with the Emmy.
It wouldn't be a bizarre thing to say if it wasn't as good as it is and didn't deserve all those nominations based on merit.
But it is so it's a bizarre thing to say
Kerry Washington has been nominated for best actress not supporting one.
11 Emmys. Extremely well deserved. I think it's time for me to watch it again.
I have to leave it here: not my kind of beer.
The whole show was rather disappointing.
The story, the pace, the characters felt misconstrued to me.
The movie - although just good - was way better than this series.
The whole show was rather disappointing.
The story, the pace, the characters felt misconstrued to me.
The movie - although just good - was way better than this series.
Now there's a controversial opinion
Rewatching this at the moment and flying through it. It's holding up really well to a second viewing, apart from the odd slightly grating moments of exposition-dressed-as-worldweariness.
The soundtrack is still absolutely savage too.
The soundtrack is still absolutely savage too.
Every time this is bumped I’m excited thinking that a second season has been announced (even though they said it’ll be 1 season only - and rightfully so, as it’d probably result in a massive drop in quality).
Just watched the movie - it was a bit disturbing. I am both impressed with and terrified of Jackie Earle Haley. What a performance. Planning on starting the series now.