We are an awfully coached team

L1nk said:
What? You are joking surely

Pogba should be gone, he's been shocking for a few seasons and he and his agent are constantly causing unrest in the media.
Maguire is average at best, barely worth half of the 80 million we paid
McTominay is average
Martial is nowhere near good or clinical enough to lead the line
Diallo is promising but completely untested
Donny is great at warming the bench and is barely getting any minutes

Need I go on?

You genuinely expect this team to dominate for years? We can't dominate anything for a single season, I genuinely cannot believe this delusion on display here, i would honestly love to know where you are getting this from, we will not dominate anything with this team under Solskjaer. You can quote on me on that and everyone can come back to this post years later.
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Firstly, I did not say we will dominate under Ole. I said he is creating a team that can dominate.

I don't know if you realise but a team does not necessarily need 11/15 WC players.

You clearly have 0 ratings for Manutd players that's fine. Maguire and McTominay are in our top 5 players this season, for a team 2nd in the PL but they are average okay.

I didn't say this team is going to dominate this year, I said we are building towards it.
 
GoldTrafford99 said:
A battle for fourth place? Wow. How fergie would have loved to be battling for teh top four in his first seasons instead of finishing 11th twice and then 13th...
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Really? Bringing up Fergie again? If that's all you can say then this is a pointless discussion, it's not at all a similar comparison, infact it's the complete opposite.

romufc said:
Firstly, I did not say we will dominate under Ole. I said he is creating a team that can dominate.

I don't know if you realise but a team does not necessarily need 11/15 WC players.

You clearly have 0 ratings for Manutd players that's fine. Maguire and McTominay are in our top 5 players this season, for a team 2nd in the PL but they are average okay.

I didn't say this team is going to dominate this year, I said we are building towards it.
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You're expecting them to dominate in the next few years though, which is going to be under Ole, because as you say, players like Maguire will be entering their prime.

No, and I am one of those people that certainly agrees a team and a manager does not need every single player to be world class in order to compete at the highest level, but you will not convince me this team currently is going down that route.

It's silly to say I have 0 ratings for Manchester United players which is completely untrue, Bruno is obviously world class on his day, I think Rashford when his heads screwed on right is also class, I think Henderson has a future with us, Shaw has improved considerably and is hopefully back to his best for the long term now, Greenwood I still think has big potential to be a great forward even if he has stalled in progress a little bit, so don't tell me I have 0 ratings for these players.

Just because McTominay has 1 good game and the whole forum delves into calling him 'McSauce' doesn't mean he's been amazing, infact more often than not i'd say he's been average at best, with the odd great game sprinkled on top, which is okay, but we need a massive upgrade in this position, everyone virtually agrees with need a DM

Please don't come to me and say Maguire is one of our best players, i'd argue that actually he needs to be replaced just as much as Lindelof and that he should not be captain at all, cost us £80mill cause he's English, worth nowhere near that amount of money.
 
If you ever needed any example between team that’s clearly coached well and us, this match illustrates it perfectly.
 
One of then worst sides in possession. It's unbelievable how poor we are with the ball.
 
Milan is what I can call a well coached team. Their general play is good, despite not having much quality.

We're a team who thrives on moments rather than playing consistently well. We could have ended the half leading 1-0 due to such moments despite being terrible.

We don't have a system. We're a team of brilliant moments during the 90 minutes. Fortunately for us, our players mostly deliver in such moments.
 
We have players who could make a difference but this team must be easily one of the worst at passing the ball in any top league.
 
el3mel said:
Milan is what I can call a well coached team. Their general play is good, despite not having much quality.

We're a team who thrives on moments rather than playing consistently well. We could have ended the half leading 1-0 due to such moments despite being terrible.

We don't have a system. We're a team of brilliant moments during the 90 minutes. Fortunately for us, our players mostly deliver in such moments.
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Well put that, the more quality we gonna have in the team more frequent these moments are going to be but we’ll never be bigger than sum of our parts with Ole.
 
Awfully coached is a stretch, but good lord are we less than the sum of our parts... not a single player out there is doing the basics as well as their Milan counterpart today. Both teams here have a number of players out but Milan look an actual unit, we look nowhere close. I honestly can't remember a 2nd placed team that struggle to put two good performances together as much as this one.
 
el3mel said:
Milan is what I can call a well coached team. Their general play is good, despite not having much quality.

We're a team who thrives on moments rather than playing consistently well. We could have ended the half leading 1-0 due to such moments despite being terrible.

We don't have a system. We're a team of brilliant moments during the 90 minutes. Fortunately for us, our players mostly deliver in such moments.
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This. I would not be surprized if we win tonight. But it will be due to individual brilliance.
 
Yeah the thread subject is definitely relevant and true when watching this.
 
GoldTrafford99 said:
Fletcher came in six weeks ago to improve our defensive shape, on and off the ball and around set-pieces..

Since he came in, we've kept clean sheets against Arsenal, Southampton, West Ham, Sociedad (twice), Chelsea, Palace, Man City. That's eight clean sheets in 12 matches;

On set-pieces, haven't we only conceded five goals from set-pieces, which would put us in mid-table in that regard?

I do agree with you, despite the stats suggesting it's not bad, that we need improvement defensively. But this is all a work in progress. It'll take time. I think we are crying out for a defensive midfielder (I would LOVE Declan Rice) and a left-sided centre-back so Maguire can return to right-sided centre back where he was obviously and clearly brilliant for LCFC and England. I would love to sign Johnny Evans. Play him alongside Maguire and we plaster a lot of cracks in that one move... I think that's be rock solid for 2/3 seasons, then we'd need to replace Evans...
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Fletcher came in to do that? How do you know? I might have a missed an announcement?
If he came to do that, that is a good thing, but I am sure you would agree, that it took a pretty considerable time to address something, that has been an issue for quite a long time. Which, by the end of the day and in the course of this thread, would indicate, that there are areas to improve.

The list of the clean sheets sounds good, and credit where credit is due. ManCity and Sociedad played right into our hands, enabling us to defend deeper (I am not saying park the bus, just deeper and more compact - early goals are also helping to settle). Southampton played 85min with 10 man, 7 min with 9. From these nine players at least one had his PL debut (there might be another one). So yeah, it isn't our fault that they are unlucky but is it the right context to evaluate? I don't know...

Hopefully Fletcher does a good job to improve us, I think, it is more key than recruitment. I am not convinced that transfers are such a sure thing to shore us up. in the current situation. I mean, we had quite some investments in that department that shouldn't lead to us conceding goals as often as it happens. Evans would be quite an experiement, why not - wouldn't be against it if he would be availble for an appropriate price. But tbh I think, Johnny isn't made for a top club. I think, pressure has worse effects on him than on other players.
 
If Fletcher came for the defense, and has done such brilliant work, why are we moving him to another position?
 
Amir said:
If Fletcher came for the defense, and has done such brilliant work, why are we moving him to another position?
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even if that’s the case - and I don’t know whether our defensive record can be attributed to him... but you realise that’s how promotions work. People need to grow and develop.
 
Solskjaers substitutions make my eyeballs itch! He takes off our one creative player and a quick forward and replaces them with a defensive midfielder and a left back. Bang goes any chance of scoring another goal.
 
Set us up tonight as if we are playing mid 00s Milan in their prime. Do we want to put a tackle in too? So much standing about in both defence and attack.
 
Awful coaching. Henderson was shit there but Ole is an absolute woeful coach setting us up like that. Bruno off, play all the defenders, and just give the ball back to them.
 
Laughable. How to give the opposition a helping hand with 3 bloody awful substitutions.
 
Go on, sub Bruno and defend whole 20 minutes at home. Great tactics, always work.
 
We don't defend well, or with structure. We don't pass through the midfield. Our attack is a joke.

I know we have injuries, and there are some young players out there. But the level of tactical ineptitdue is staggering.
 
We had another goal in us after the Amad opener. Then we sit back for the umpteenth time and guess what? We concede a late equaliser for the umpteenth time.
 
Here ya go Milan have the ball for the final 15 minutes and don't worry about us on the break as we have absolutely no threat cos we've taken our forwards off.
 
I repeat it again, I can't imagine anyone watching United on regular basis and actually believe we're a well drilled unit.

Look at Milan to know what a well drilled team with barely any quality looks like.
 
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