His number one attribute is pressing to win the ball back. He's pretty screwed under this tactic of sitting back and containing.
What are Schneiderlin's greatest attributes?
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Unfortunately there's plenty of posters who don't seem to realise he's a DM, just look at half of the comments in this thread. We were incredibly solid tonight and he did well with his tackles/duels. I do agree he needs to be more adventurous on the ball but the team is constantly changing personnel and system. Mourinho needs to make a long term decision on which system suits our best players and work with it.
Yeah just quit.
I don't disagree. It's incredible how people fire off opinions on players they really don't have a clue about. The male ego is an incredible thing.
Out of interest, are any of the people claiming he's useless professing they said so whilst he was at Southampton and when it was announced we'd signed him?
From a man acting like anyone who disagrees with his view is beneath them this is quite funny.
Schneiderlin is a good player for a decent team. He's not flashy, but a decent midfielder. Not sure what United ever expected from him. He's not a world beater, never would be.
Dunno really. The way he ties his boot laces in a double knot?
Totally agree mate I've never seen the positives in this guy he is in my opinion bang average ideally suited to Southampton or somewhere like Stoke etc never has been or will be good nough for us
He was talking about Schneiderlin not Fellaini.
There's plenty of good discussion to be had on Schneiderlins role in the team and I have plenty of questions myself going forward, I'm not some fanboy who thinks he should start every game but posters who claim he's a box to box CM or needs to get more goals/assists to justify his position really have no idea what they're talking about. Might as well start claiming Pogba is a 10. Total nonsense.
Yes. I never wanted him. Awful player.
The most important attribute of him is his a strange combination of (stamina + pressing + pace) which he uses for winning the ball back. If you expect him to give defense splitting passes, no chance of that at all. He would be pretty much useless for a team that is attacking most of the time in the game. He would be important in a team which tries to combat quick passing and transition. Liverpool, Arsenal, Leicester for example in this season. Not that I am supporting his performances or asking to build our play to suit him. But his attributes are not suited to our team. He would be good in a team that places fast and higher up to run back and win back possession if they lose higher up the field. He would be a good player for a team like Spurs or Liverpool.
He would have mentioned elbowing if he was talking about Fellaini though.He was talking about Schneiderlin not Fellaini.
A midfielder needs to be able to do more than win a few tackles. There's no huge thing people are missing. Nobody's asking for loads of goals and assists. Simply that he contributes more than one facet of being a midfielder. There's a reason why he isn't playing regularly and it makes your superior opinion look stupid.
I think he is out of his depth personally, but with the right coaching he can be an effective enough player for us so long as the emphasis is on attacking- and he has no part in it.
worst offensive off the ball movement since Darron Gibson.
Well that's just sexist. Women can be clueless too.
Number 1 in the premier league at tackles and interceptions isn't "winning a few tackles" it's the primary purpose of his position. Just the same way as number 1 in the league with goals and assists isn't "scoring a few goals".
He's never been creative or got involved in the final 3rd, he's an out and out DM who needs to be partnered correctly.
That's just side effects of the Fellaini
Out of context video but here he looks like he's doing okay in a defensive sense?
On the same channel, there's everyone's individual highlights (the editor is fast and precise!).
Having watched Herrera's, whilst he was good on the ball, he perhaps should have taken more responsbility to orchestrate play rather than recycle possession and win balls back.
With Pogba, it look like he wanted to drive forward more and wanted more pace in the game.
Mourinho tactics?
Sat back far too much. Didn't take the initiative.
Don't understand the hate he's getting. I thought he was one of a few who were decent tonight. He wins the ball back for us, that's his job and he does it well.
As I said in the Match Day thread, I can't remember what he looks like. tbf though, watching the video, and once I worked out who we were supposed to be looking at, he actually looked quite good.
Knee Jerk Reaction. Before he came to United, he was one of the best holding midfielder in the league with some of the best defensive stats for a midfielder. He needs to be giving more gametime and he will regain the extended form he had with Southamptom
He was so good at Southampton with Wanyama. It's a real shame we haven't been able to get the best out of him yet. There's a very good player in there.
Invisibility
To people saying he is a DM, please tell me what traits should a world class DM possess and then show me the stats for schnederlin. Based on yesterday match I would think his interceptions tackling and passing will be the least of all players.
He did well defensively imo, breaking up several attacks.
People expect him to show more on the ball though.
He had a bad game but what exactly pogba did in the 4 games then? can somebody point out that for me.. I'm not comparing both but just a little curious
Pulling the wool over people eyes
I hope so, question is if there is time to give him since we need to start racking up points asap. And I don't see Jose as much of a long-term thinking manager...
Bang average, that's all I can say on him.
Him and Memphis = 50mil spent.
There's your Vidal money.
There's your Vidal money.
That makes me really mad
It would seem so.
I was chuffed when we signed him since he really bossed it at Southampton, but he hasn't brought that form with him here. Defensive wise hes competent, but in modern football a top club need their DM to be more than a water carrier.
That being said, Pogba has been pretty poor as well, in fact the only MF who has been consistently good is Fellaini. Anyways, it's evident that our MF has not clicked yet, and Jose has to figure out a system that gets the best out of everyone.
Maybe Blind should be given a chance at DM? Hes not as good a tackler as Schneiderlin, but much better at reading the game and a much, much better passer.
We missed Fellani more than anyone last night, he would have dealt with their physical attackers and the long balls down the centre.
This was my impression watching the game. Herrera needs to take more playmaking responsibility. Him and Schneirdelin both. Scholes mentioned it in his post match. You can't be a midfielder in United who only concentrates on defending.
I remember reading Keane's book where he mentions that about a year or so after he transferred to United, Bryan Robson had a talk with him (on a night out, funny enough) and said Keane needed to take more responsibility in building up play. Keane had deferring that to Paul Ince at the time, because he didn't feel confident enough.
Now I don't know whether it's Mourinho's tactics or not but Herrera and Schneirdelin could do with a talk similar to that.
tackling and a box to box engine. He has a great shot on him and He also keeps the ball well. His issues are defensive positioning and inconsistent creative passing.
He won the ball back however many times yesterday and the OP suggests he's shit at tackling? Some people can't wait to stick the boot in.
We played O'shea in midfield plenty of times in Scholes/Fergie days didn't we?
Watch the video of his performance and you'll see him involved in winning the ball back about a dozen times, how can you question his tackling and interceptions? I can completely understand those questioning his passing, but when his,ability to win the ball back is criticised it verges on ridiculous.
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I thought he did his job well yesterday.