What next for Mourinho?

[andersj]

Quite simply, no.

We had an xPTS of 62,33. Liverpool had 79,38, Spurs 76,02, Chelsea 68,46, Arsenal 65,9. The expected goal conceded was at 43,54. Worse than any other top six team. Our expected goals scored was 59. Same as Chelsea, but significantly lower than the rest of top six.

And of course, no figures weigh in that we met very weakened City and Arsenal team that prioritized CL and EL. But hey, we finished 2nd. What an achievement!

I guess its more comfortable to ignore or brush off these type of stats, just like its more its more comfortable to ignore all other arguments than «everyone said that our players were great».

 

[haram]

You do not finish 2nd because of luck. We were 2nd the entire season.

People come out with this and think they are giving an honest assessment on what actually happened last season.

 

[andersj]

You do not finish 2nd because of luck. We were 2nd the entire season.

People come out with this and think they are giving an honest assessment on what actually happened last season.

«You do no finish 2nd because of luck» is such a silly claim btw. Can you finish 1st because of luck? Can you finish 5th? 8th? Table never lie? Luck never plays apart?

And whats dishonest with numbers and statistics? How do you think these numbers lie?

But I agree it was not just luck. The best goalkeeper in the world played a huge part. I guess Mou-supporters soon will start crediting DDGs form with Mourinho too.

 

[Suedesi]

So. You think that a Europa League, which incidentally got us back into the CL doesn't count.
And finishing second in the PL over 38 games is a fluke.
Don't know much about football then.

Mourinho fluked a Europa League against some massive teams like Fenerbahce, Feyenoord, Zorya Luhansk, Saint Etienne, Rostov, Anderlecht, Celta Vigo and Ajax playing shite, unconvincing football.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

@haram really is relentless with his defense of Mourinho.

He was a complete failure and an embarrassment to the club at times.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I've only just seen this...."finished at the top level"??? Honestly, the worst club Jose will ever have had the displeasure of managing in his entire career is us! The only way is up for Jose!

It's so disrespectful to a man that is still the ONLY man to have won league titles in La Liga, Serie A & the Premier League. Don't forget has also won European trophies with three different clubs from three different countries

I'm sure give it 7/8 years Jose will have added a Bundesliga and a Ligue Un to that list and we will still be in 6th calling our then-manager crap whilst Ed & the Glazers reveal our 18th alarm clock partner

He is never winning another league title at a top club again.

You can quote me on it.

 

[Casanova85]

He is never winning another league title at a top club again.

You can quote me on it.

PSG?

 

[haram]

@haram really is relentless with his defense of Mourinho.

He was a complete failure and an embarrassment to the club at times.

People would rather I say nothing. When people say we finished 2nd because of luck I’m going to call it out. Im sorry I’m not afraid to say what I genuinely think and feel. Whole of last season I was lambasted every week and I’m supposed to just accept it apparently.

It was probably worse with Martial than it was with Jose but there you go. It was easy to criticise Jose. It was easy to praise Martial. These are just two examples.

 

[marktan]

He is never winning another league title at a top club again.

You can quote me on it.

I think he just needs a break, he's a smart guy but always seems to burn out in his jobs. Think it's more as likely than not that he he does well at his next job, he's no Moyes

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

PSG?

They are not going near him.

They want to win and win in style.

Mourinho is anti-everything they want to aspire to.

 

[Casanova85]

They are not going near him.

They want to win and win in style.

Mourinho is anti-everything they want to aspire to.

I think PSG only aspires to win a UCL no matter what.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

When Nuno’s time at Wolves comes to a natural (or unnatural) end, I think he will end up managing us at some point.

 

[andersj]

People would rather I say nothing. When people say we finished 2nd because of luck I’m going to call it out. Im sorry I’m not afraid to say what I genuinely think and feel. Whole of last season I was lambasted every week and I’m supposed to just accept it apparently.

It was probably worse with Martial than it was with Jose but there you go.

Yeah, you have made a great case with strong arguments! In fact, this is exactly what I would expect from a Mourinhofan; ignored every fact you did not like, made claims that you have not backed up and tried creating strawman arguments.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I think PSG only aspires to win a UCL no matter what.

Not in the image it'd be likely done under Jose.

Image is very important to the owners of PSG.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

«You do no finish 2nd because of luck» is such a silly claim btw. Can you finish 1st because of luck? Can you finish 5th? 8th? Table never lie? Luck never plays apart?

And whats dishonest with numbers and statistics? How do you think these numbers lie?

But I agree it was not just luck. The best goalkeeper in the world played a huge part. I guess Mou-supporters soon will start crediting DDGs form with Mourinho too.

To be fair, if he managed to get thr best out of DDG that is an important managerial target achieved.

 

[andersj]

To be fair, if he managed to get thr best out of DDG that is an important managerial target achieved.

His distribution became so much worse during Mourinhos time here. Beside from that, I’m not sure that he affected DDG that much.

DDG was great under SAF, great under Moyes and great under LvG. I would expect him to improve from the age of 22-23 to 28-29. This season he has become gradually worse all season. Did not start well, and ends it awful.

 

[Lentwood]

He is never winning another league title at a top club again.

You can quote me on it.

Honestly, I don't mean to be insulting but I think you're absolutely crazy if you don't think clubs like Bayern and PSG would be interested in Jose. Never might the fact that the Madrid players were already publicly flirting with him in the press days after he was sacked and Inter would crawl over hot coals to have him back

Look at the mans record.....I mean....it's incomparable.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Honestly, I don't mean to be insulting but I think you're absolutely crazy if you don't think clubs like Bayern and PSG would be interested in Jose. Never might the fact that the Madrid players were already publicly flirting with him in the press days after he was sacked and Inter would crawl over hot coals to have him back

Look at the mans record.....I mean....it's incomparable.

I would be STUNNED if Bayern ever went for Jose. It's not going to happen. I think it's lunacy to think Bayern would be interested in him. I doubt PSG would either.

The only top club at the moment that would want him back are Inter.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I would be STUNNED if Bayern ever went for Jose. It's not going to happen. I think it's lunacy to think Bayern would be interested in him. I doubt PSG would either.

The only top club at the moment that would want him back are Inter.

PSG are desperate to be relevant outside of France. Jose has baggage, but he can win you things. Jose + oil money = PSG in champions league win. It might not look pretty, it might not be sexy, but as he showed at inter, you give what he wants without question and he’ll win you things.

 

[andersj]

PSG are desperate to be relevant outside of France. Jose has baggage, but he can win you things. Jose + oil money = PSG in champions league win. It might not look pretty, it might not be sexy, but as he showed at inter, you give what he wants without question and he’ll win you things.

I agree. Jose + Mou seems very likely at some point. And I think he will do well there. That being said, any PL manager probably would do well with PSG and quite a few would have a fair chance of winning the CL with a bit of luck.

 

[Ether]

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Scholes really rattled him

 

[Dancfc]

Honestly, I don't mean to be insulting but I think you're absolutely crazy if you don't think clubs like Bayern and PSG would be interested in Jose. Never might the fact that the Madrid players were already publicly flirting with him in the press days after he was sacked and Inter would crawl over hot coals to have him back

Look at the mans record.....I mean....it's incomparable.

Bayern wouldn't take him in his prime let alone now.

Any top club would be crazy to appoint him, yes his history's incredible but in the present day he's the manager equivalent of a player who's lost his legs.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Will be great for PSG - a club with a blank cheque book and no history of doing things the right way.

Will end up chucking out a few good players though. Maybe verrati or Neymar.

 

[youmeletsfly]

He's good as a pundit, talks a lot of sense most of the times.

But boy when he goes on strike it's like he lives in a world of his own.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Will be great for PSG - a club with a blank cheque book and no history of doing things the right way.

Will end up chucking out a few good players though. Maybe verrati or Neymar.

Definitely Neymar. He'll have no time for that clown.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

Away with you, Rami Malek! Jose is so perfect for a Bond villain I’m starting a crowd funding campaign to make my own 007 film. Working title: ‘Mou Only Live Twice’.

Apologies.

 

[roonster09]

Bayern wouldn't take him in his prime let alone now.

Any top club would be crazy to appoint him, yes his history's incredible but in the present day he's the manager equivalent of a player who's lost his legs.

Exactly. Bayern won't touch him, not even PSG. Maybe Atletico if Simeone leaves, which I don't think he will.

Inter are the logical choice considering their past history but I guess they are trying to sign Conte.

 

[Canagel]

Definitely Neymar. He'll have no time for that clown.

He will get dropped for not tracking back at LB.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Away with you, Rami Malek! Jose is so perfect for a Bond villain I’m starting a crowd funding campaign to make my own 007 film. Working title: ‘Mou Only Live Twice’.

Apologies.

No need for apologies. I said something similar ages ago about his turtle neck jumpers. Some one else said blunderball, and that got the bond jose related movie titles going. I said:

Never say never to Jose again.

You’re only sacked twice.

From Chelsea with love.

License to hoof.

Gold three fingers

Felliani is forever.

Sacked another day.

And that was supposed to be saying something nice on his birthday .

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

License to hoof.

This is the one. A small percentage of any profits from the film will be bestowed for this gem.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Art Vandelay]

No need for apologies. I said something similar ages ago about his turtle neck jumpers. Some one else said blunderball, and that got the bond jose related movie titles going. I said:

Never say never to Jose again.

You’re only sacked twice.

From Chelsea with love.

License to hoof.

Gold three fingers

Felliani is forever.

Sacked another day.

And that was supposed to be saying something nice on his birthday .

That's possibly already a porno.

Mou-raker

A Mou to a Kill

 

[BlueHaze]

Honestly, I don't mean to be insulting but I think you're absolutely crazy if you don't think clubs like Bayern and PSG would be interested in Jose. Never might the fact that the Madrid players were already publicly flirting with him in the press days after he was sacked and Inter would crawl over hot coals to have him back

Look at the mans record.....I mean....it's incomparable.

Mourinho at Bayern?

Fans would literally turn on him and have banners flying around Allianz Arena after one week of witnessing his shambolic football.

 

[do.ob]

I won't say anything against Mourinho's lifetime achievements, but looking at his most recent jobs in England, I'm not sure he's that attractive for clubs anymore.
He costs a ton in wages, his football invites criticism from the media and will alienate fans and creative players, his personell decisions haven't been the best (sold Salah and de Bruyne for €20m each at Chelsea, his transfers at United were perhaps even worse), he creates toxic conflicts in the media and you better sack him after two years or you're all but guaranteed to lose a whole season.

I don't really see for example Bayern being interested in him.

 

[hkjack]

Wait for City to get to a European final first, before calling a European trophy “a mickey mouse cup”.

You call it European trophy.it sound like champion league is same as Europa League.
No City fans want to win the Europa League because it means City was not able to get in top 4 or begin out from the champion league group stage.

 

[GM K]

Molde did play high press under Ole (bit like klopp's pressing) and we did start to see some of it at the start but once those injuries happened, we've been just counter attacking. Not everything was jose's fault but Lack of fitness is certainly on the previous manager and anyone saying otherwise really has a hard on for jose.



Lumping it to the tree wouldn't have been enough to challenge this city/pool. He had 4 transfer windows to sell the deadwood but he's the one who made them the first names on the team sheet. He could have sold martial/pogba but only to buy inter/chelsea old boys. Not sure how replacing pogba/martial would have helped us compete for the title vs city when the rest of the squad is around mid table (bar one or two) and he bought a 50 mil midfielder (when it was clear we needed RW/RB/CB) to only then go on to say he won't be played until he gets a CB, regardless of how much money a manager has if he doesn't use it to strengthen his squads weak areas then no amount of money will help (signing a young RB doesn't help when you need first team RB urgently).

He knows (or knew) how to win titles but he didn't address our weak areas when he had the chance and lots of money (as he did with his previous teams). Not sure how you can say he would have us challenge city when there's clear evidence of him not even focusing on the problems we had but he was busy pointing fingers at everyone else to stroke his ego.

The reality is that Jose was making steady progress before this season and for whatever reasons the club halted that progress by doing little in the last windows. First season, he won the Europa and the small cup. Second season he got us to second and FA Cup final against all odds. The signs were there that we would have contested for the title. At the very least, we had made a psychological progress. Why kill that?

 

[GM K]

You think we would hit +95 points in that scenario?

I think we could have been very close.

 

[GM K]

There's nothing to support this claim. He wanted to sign most of the player that he signed. He talked about Fred as someone, who could give our midfield balance. He brought in an ageing Matic. Lukaku has always had a subpar workrate, he signed him anyway. Dalot, who's nowhere near ready. Lindelof who did become better once Mourinho was sacked. Mkhitaryan and Sanchez were endorsed by him as well. At some point some of you need to look at how many mistakes he made and stop with this nonsense that he wasn't backed. For him to be successful we would have needed to sign a better RB, 2 more experienced CBs, a better LB since he couldn't get the best out of Shaw, a replacement for Matic, a replacement for Pogba, Willian as the right winger supposedly, Perisic as Martial's replacement and you could argue that he needed someone else than Lukaku as well. I honestly don't see how you can genuinely think that he needed to be backed more, since he already was and even if we had backed him, it wouldn't have been enough, since he Mourinho would have needed more.

In the scenario I painted, I believe Matic, Lukaku, Dalot, Fred and co would have been fine under Jose. He would have created the atmosphere and siege mentality he thrives on. They would have had the kind of competition in the dressing room that fires otherwise average players to be too players. And with the right guys, some of these players could have been relegated to be substitutes. Jose was building something to fit into his own mould of a team. We know that if he had succeeded at that, we would have been contenders for the title.

 

[GM K]

I do agree with this, but it's all what-ifs.
There isn't any point in this.
We need to look to the future and Ole is now the guy to back.

My gut feeling tells me that Ole will be sacked in 2019, but I hope I am wrong and he actually does a good job.

I agree with this.

We do have to move on. It's just painful at times to see how we take two steps forward and then take four steps backward.

 

[fen4e]

Why would he ever take on the Inter job with their present squad?
He will be fighting for a CL spot at best as Juve are miles away.

 

[mariachi-19]

Read his recent comments.

Such a victim... feck of you insufferable cnut. You were given most of what you asked for and couldnt hack managing Manchester United. He was a complete failure in his second and third seasons and anybody stupid enough to not see through his self deflecting bullshit, needs a fecking kicking.

This same cnut was waiting until we had a drop in form to open his mouth because he was utterly embarrassed up to that point. Our squad is still in its current position because of his bullshit.

 

[Adisa]

Ouch.

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