City are walking away with the league this season. The CL you have to beat all the best teams in Europe.
What would be the most worthy ‘double’ ?
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That's the beauty of the tournament though, the Real that turn up for the CL KO stages are a different beast altogether. Regardless of their form, you know Barca, Bayern etc will come all guns blazing in the KO stages too. The glory/satisfaction/thrill of beating these top teams from all over Europe is on a higher level to winning a league campaign imo. Nothing sends shivers down the spine and has you a nervous wreck when the CL anthem is on as your side prepares to play the CL final.
When we won the treble we wasnt champions the year before either
Dont think we will win the Ch League but got a good chance of the FA cup I think. I would take Ch League and FA cup for a season or two as we are poor in the one (for being one of the biggest clubs in the world) and 2 FA cups would mean we had won it the most times.
CL+ FA Cup
I always find winning your domestic league the bread and butter. I hold Bayern and Juve in higher regard than I do Real Madrid.
The league.
Real (apart from last year) gets too much credit for their recent CL trophies. Barcelona were the better team in 2 of those 3 years. It's just about getting the lucky draw and doing enough to make it over the line. Paired with a league title? Excellent. Without one? Hyped by this new generation, but a bit hollow all the same.
They really need to kick non-champions out the CL. Keep the league runners up at best.
Real (apart from last year) gets too much credit for their recent CL trophies. Barcelona were the better team in 2 of those 3 years. It's just about getting the lucky draw and doing enough to make it over the line. Paired with a league title? Excellent. Without one? Hyped by this new generation, but a bit hollow all the same.
They really need to kick non-champions out the CL. Keep the league runners up at best.
Same.
Haha, that is simply never going to happen.
But why?
Real Madrid has won the most number of league titles(joint with Juve, 33) in the top 5 leagues, has won more main domestic cups than both Juve and Munich, while being miles of ahead of anyone in UCL.
CL > PL although in some cases like Liverpool right now PL probably means more than a CL. And FA cup is clearly better than a league cup
For me it's near impossible to call any team that don't win their domestic league but win CL as the best in Europe. It's like Liverpool 2005 or Chelsea 2012 or 13, how can they be best in Europe when they are not even the best in their domestic league, in these 2 cases they were not even in top 4.
But considering our position I don't give a shit about being called as best in Europe if we fluke CL. Would love to see our team lift the big cup again, it's been 10 years since we won our last one.
But considering our position I don't give a shit about being called as best in Europe if we fluke CL. Would love to see our team lift the big cup again, it's been 10 years since we won our last one.
Really @roonster09 ? So when you think back to Real's 2002 win and that Zidane goal, you also think "well yeah, that's nice but Valencia were better than them that season."?
Why not, over the 38 league games Valencia proved to be better than Madrid.
So you thought Chelsea and Liverpool were the best in Europe when they won CL or Liverpool were second best in 2007 when ManUtd were so good winning league playing great football?
Winning the league is hard.
The prestige for me is always when a double involves the league title. Without that, it’s a little bit empty.
I find it weird that the champions of Europe may have got into the CL without winning their league in the previous season, and also not win in the current season.
The prestige for me is always when a double involves the league title. Without that, it’s a little bit empty.
I find it weird that the champions of Europe may have got into the CL without winning their league in the previous season, and also not win in the current season.
Bullshit, you, like everyone else have almost certainly forgotten that Valencia won the league that year, just like you forget Juve won Serie A the following season when Pirlo, Seedorf and co. were lifting the Champions League. That Zidane goal gets replayed again and again whereas Valencia's league win is long forgotten by 99% of neutral fans.
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The league for me right now at least. It is just so important that we manage to get a league victory again post SAF. The CL is always a bonus.
I proper laugh at people suggesting it. We are no way near the level needed to win this. Yes teams have won it before that weren't the best, but this isn't the rule, it is the odd exception.
Being BIASED here I would say the FA Cup and Champions League.
Simply because that's the team we support and I love seen United win trophies!
Would take UCL over any combination of other trophies.
I think he's referring to accomplishments in recent years (5-10).
The CL wins are like gold paint IMO.
Then 99% of neutral fans are ignorant. Read a book, do your research. The ignorance of the masses shouldn't be the standard for determining what's relevant.
Liverpool has Istanbul, but anyone knowledgeable knows that Chelsea we're the better side that year. By far. And so on.
More competitive doesn't mean better. How can the league be a better judge of a team's ability when you only get to play against clubs from one single country? Perhaps "more consistent at beating weaker teams" would be more appropriate. Absolutely no one aside from a few forum members cares about CL winners not winning their league as well. If we were to win the CL, nobody aside from City fans would think it's less of an achievement than winning the league.
Read a book? What book, Old Moore's Almanac
The point is, that Zidane goal and final is etched into every single football fan's memory, it's worth a shit load more than Valencia's domestic title*, whether you like it or not.
*except for Valencia fans of course.
I think you need to re-read his post @Rista
I know. Hence me saying "should".
Next you'll tell me Liverpool's CL victory was worth more than any of our league titles in non double years because "people remember it more". Nice work genius.Read a book? What book, Old Moore's Almanac
The point is, that Zidane goal and final is etched into every single football fan's memory, it's worth a shit load more than Valencia's domestic title, whether you like it or not.
Anyway, this thread would be flipped if we were miles ahead in the league. Nothing new to see.
Yeah I will, sadly it is and fecking annoyingly is replayed again and again on Champions League shows, best comebacks etc etc. It's a massive massive moment in football.
It's worth more than United's 1996-97 league title* for sure "genius".
*that league title is long forgotten for the masses, and even for a huge section of our own fanbase. Liverpool's night in Istanbul never will be.
That's a bit of nonsense considering that City has much more chance to win UCL than us to do so.
Only United fans claim to like a league win over an UCL league. An inferiority complex - considering that our greatest rival has more European trophies than us - same as 'the biggest club in the world' bullshit. In the eyes of absolute majority of fans, players and coaches, the league and UCL aren't even in the same level.
Fergie who used to say that he likes league more yadda yadda, the moment he started cracking UCL, he was playing weaker teams in the league (even if they were title deciding clashes) in order to prepare the team better for UCL.
Agreed.
Does @adexkola think our 1968 EC win is less worthy because City won the league? Does he feck.
I used to peddle that shit too so I know where these fans are coming from, but sometime after our two CL final loses to Barca I started to get so frustrated at how shit our CL record is compared to the other big European clubs. Bollocks is the league worth more, undoubtedly the biggest nights in United's history are '68, '99 and ´08, added to our '92 league win against Blackburn (I was in the stretty too that day
).We'll beat City in the UCL final you say?
Seriously?
You think blocking teams such as Real Madrid, Manchester United, Manchester City & PSG and replace them with the champions of Albania, Latvia and The Faroe Islands somehow makes the Champions League better, more competitive and valid?
That is a very European way to look at it, I can't speak for younger fans than myself, but the league is still #1, although we need more CL's to our honours list.
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The CL/FA Cup for me but City's is the one that's gonna happen, ours isn't.
Most of United fans don't know that, and the rest don't care.Agreed.
Does @adexkola think our 1968 EC win is less worthy because City won the league? Does he feck.
I used to peddle that shit too so I know where these fans are coming from, but sometime after our two CL final loses to Barca I started to get so frustrated at how shit our CL record is compared to the other big European clubs. Bollocks is the league worth more, undoubtedly the biggest nights in United's history are '68, '99 and ´08, added to our '92 league win against Blackburn (I was in the stretty too that day
Apparently giving stupid opinions is cool nowadays. The idea of throwing non champions out of EPL should actually be in contention for worst post of the year. One single line of true madness.
CL + FA Cup. Champions league is head and shoulders above any other club trophy for me.
Agree
So you are going about what is more memorable now?
You didn't answer the question.
Excuse me?