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on the plane for 140m
I doubt Ole is that dumb. Fred is simply a more complete player than Pogba. Pogba has never dominated a full game the way Fred has the last two games against Tottenham and City. Was excellent against PSG last season and I always maintain Ole's greatest oversight this season was benching Fred for the first month .This place will be in meltdown when Ole drops Fred and slots Pogba in alongside McTom.
Nope. Probably be on the bench in the next few games.Do we know for definite when Pogba is back?
Suspect he'll start getting game time in late December, just in time to be put in the shop window for January onwards.Nope. Probably be on the bench in the next few games.
Interesting Pogba hasn't played a Europa League game this season either which means he is not cup tied either.Suspect he'll start getting game time in late December, just in time to be put in the shop window for January onwards.
What are you, Klopp?Whichever of the two plays, plaus a selfless part of the 4 man attack. This role is similar to Firminho’s role at Liverpool But both are far inferior to Bobby. However if you can’t see the role they play in our fast, counterattacking tactic in terms of pressing and link-up play, then give me strength.
Can't see him moving to another team in the Europa League though, I don't think playing in it would cup tie him for the Champions League. He seems to have his heart set on Madrid or Juventus and I seriously doubt either one of those two will make a move before the summer unless they both really want him.Interesting Pogba hasn't played a Europa League game this season either which means he is not cup tied either.
This may have been to preserve some value?
Yes you are correct they amended the rule recently. I don't actually think Juventus is a possible destination. Real is the only club that he wants.Can't see him moving to another team in the Europa League though, I don't think playing in it would cup tie him for the Champions League. He seems to have his heart set on Madrid or Juventus and I seriously doubt either one of those two will make a move before the summer unless they both really want him.
I agree he should be ten and think if that doesn’t work he should go. Efforts to build a team around him have so far failed and he needs to work hard in that ten position as part of the pressing.If deployed at 10, with the freedom to roam and create at his leisure, I'm sure we will see a more consistent and influential Pogba.
The guy has literally everything in his locker to become an exceptional number 10 - he has a wide range of passing, dribbling ability, a blistering shot (that's bizarrely attracted to the opposition crossbar), he has vision, awareness, pace, strength in abundance and is one the few players in the PL with the ability to steamroll through an entire midfield. He looks like a man playing with boys on his day.
He's the type of player you build a team around.
Mbappe.With the decline of CR7 and Messi there are no players worthy of building team around at the highest level
PSG will struggle to get into top 4 in England.Mbappe.
I am not talking about PSG.. I am referring to the point in respects to there is no player worthy of building a team around.PSG will struggle to get into top 4 in England.
No one is paying that money for Pogba anytime soon. We're not going to get anywhere close to what we think he's worth, thus we won't be rushing him out of the door.on the plane for 140m
This is a complaint that keeps coming up, but...Pogba can hold onto the ball too long. I think Pogba in the 10 against packed defenses can be immense, provided his teammates move.
I think with the very functional partnership of McTominay and Fred, Pogba won't hold on to the ball too long - he'll have at least five options for a pass. One of the things that's really improved with our midfield, regardless of the 3rd member, is the speed coming out of it. Also, Pogba didn't have the pace on the front line to work with last year like he will now. All that pace surrounding him will alleviate the need to hold onto the ball so long. Unless he's just not all that...Not really. Pogba tends to dwell in the ball and slows down transition for a #10.
Look at the gaps by both wingers during the City match. Pogba would hold on to the ball and then those gaps would evaporate. That's why Olé played him deep like a #6 last season.
But we were too ponderous then.
Fred missed most (all?) of the preseason, so I think fitness was in question. I have no problem with the way he worked Fred into the team this year. Oh, and married life seems to agree with him, no?I doubt Ole is that dumb. Fred is simply a more complete player than Pogba. Pogba has never dominated a full game the way Fred has the last two games against Tottenham and City. Was excellent against PSG last season and I always maintain Ole's greatest oversight this season was benching Fred for the first month .
Big temptation to see McFred with this guy as 10Been watching the guy...impressed by his movement, passing and, especially shooting ability. A lot of first touch shots. Powerful shots, weighted shots, curled shots, set pieces, whatever...Most of the goals come from just outside or just into the box, 20 m. We often get touches in that area but rarely score. Looks like he’s worth of the reported 60M gamble.
Ok, so firstly I didnt say that Lingard and or Pereira are THE reason why we play well. Secondly I didn’t say Lingard was indispensible. Cool read though lad, keep going.What are you, Klopp?
Also saying that Lingard and Pereira are the reason why we play well is downright ridiculous. Even in the last 2 games where we've performed well Pereira still managed to look mediocre.
Lingard finally managing to do the basics and not looking completely horrible in the last 2 games doesn't mean he's suddenly become indispensable.
The pressing is made by all the team, the system doesnt relies on the number 10 running like crazy pressing the opposition, if anything Pogba would be required less defensive work as an 8/10 than as a 6.It's blatantly obvious for Ole's system to work the 10 needs to press and work hard? If you allow Pogba to not do that, the system doesn't function. We don't win that game on Saturday without Lingard working so hard and doing brilliantly. That's the whole point. If Pogba can't do that task, he doesn't really fit. Yes the main job is to create, but we don't have the luxury where we can allow that to be all he does.
Pogba does work hard though, its a bit of a myth that he doesn't, I'm just making the point there's more to being a number 10 in the system we played on Saturday than simply assisting goals.
Against teams like City and Spurs our attackers will get more space because the opponent isnt focused on defending as much as a low block team. Rashford with space is very dangerous but he does need to have the ball to be dangerous. Lingard isnt going to get the ball to Rashford because he seems incapable of making a dangerous pass forward.That's because one suits our current system and the other doesnt.
For me, its more of a game-to-game issue. For every low block teams we meet, Pogba should start.
The problems arise in the big games like these against Spurs and City. Would the result be the same with Pogba in it? You never know.
But it is evident that Lingard actually played a good part in both pressing and transition.
Rules for players being cup tied changed last seasonInteresting Pogba hasn't played a Europa League game this season either which means he is not cup tied either.
This may have been to preserve some value?
Probably not fit enough, he missed some of the pre season due to getting married.I doubt Ole is that dumb. Fred is simply a more complete player than Pogba. Pogba has never dominated a full game the way Fred has the last two games against Tottenham and City. Was excellent against PSG last season and I always maintain Ole's greatest oversight this season was benching Fred for the first month .
Advocated the very same last season. It would keep Pogba away from any defensive duties, he would be ideally placed to set up quick counter attacks, and would be close enough to get on the end of any cross into the box (think it was Chelsea in FA cup last season where he scored a cracker after Herrera put us in front). Personally I've always thought that was his best position with his attributes, but at the end of the day, if he enjoys it in that position, he will be great, if he doesn't, then he will be anonymous.Just in front of McTominay and Fred in a free role. I just hope we don't drop one of them to put him back into the deep lying midfield position.
Yeah surePSG will struggle to get into top 4 in England.
They probably would.Yeah sure
This. You're right - it is fecking insane (and I'm not even a Pogba fan). Lingard has 2 half- decent games (and I stress "half- decent) and all of a sudden he's undroppable. The number of Lingard fans that have come out of the woodwork in the last 2 weeks is incredible (imagine if he ever scores a goal). We are literally giving away an attacking player/position every time Lingard plays; the second you pencil him onto the teamsheet, you automatically know you will get 0 goals and 0 assists from the #10 position. I never thought I'd see the day when a Manchester United fan would want a #10 that presses the ball as his only attribute. It's a joke.It's hopeless with some people on these boards.
Can't believe I'm hearing some people suggesting to play Pogba in the small games then Lingard in the big ones because of his "running" and "energy".
No. Try this first:Sell, Invest, Move on
They probably would thoughYeah sure
Poor lad fecked up badly in Astana didn't he, what was he thinking?This. You're right - it is fecking insane (and I'm not even a Pogba fan). Lingard has 2 half- decent games (and I stress "half- decent) and all of a sudden he's undroppable. The number of Lingard fans that have come out of the woodwork in the last 2 weeks is incredible (imagine if he ever scores a goal). We are literally giving away an attacking player/position every time Lingard plays; the second you pencil him onto the teamsheet, you automatically know you will get 0 goals and 0 assists from the #10 position. I never thought I'd see the day when a Manchester United fan would want a #10 that presses the ball as his only attribute. It's a joke.
You're comparing them with Firmino. What you forgot to mention is that Firmino gets more goals and assists in an average game than Lingard does in an entire year (literally).Ok, so firstly I didnt say that Lingard and or Pereira are THE reason why we play well. Secondly I didn’t say Lingard was indispensible. Cool read though lad, keep going.