He was a horrible club manager back in, what was it, 2005? Who knows what evolution may have occurred since then?
But he wouldn't be my first choice
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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But he wouldn't be my first choice
Oh so like De Zerbi then, with his long list of honours, maybe the likes of City are wrong for keeping an eye on him too eh?
People clamour for an appointment like a De Zerbi but also turn their noses up at someone like Ruben Amorim. The mind boggles.
Not Southgate.. the usual suspects are trying there best to push him to OT.. the ex scousers mainly , funny how he's not linked with the dippers job as Hollywood Smiler is off at the end of season... I'd rather back ETH at least another season with less injuries and a better squad..
I'd take De Zerbi or Amorim locked in on 10 year contracts before I'd take Southgate on a 10 day trial.
It's the situation with Bodgers all over again. If we hire someone like Southgate everyone will want him out before he's even in the door. It doesnt matter if he has it in him to succeed or not, you cant succeed in any club if the fans all want rid of you by default.
I started a thread about this that didn't get much traction, but when you look at Southgate as a fan who also follows basketball and American football, what you see is a guy perfectly suited to be the #2 for an attacking manager and whose job it is to coach the back 4 (defensive co-ordinator in football, and the term is used more and more in basketball at the pro and college level, not sure about in European basketball, for example Thibodeaux the Knicks coach got his job as a head coach by running the defense for a title-winning Celtics team) and be a good man manager, but that sort of thing isn't common in football, which still has a very "one guy in charge" sort of deal.
Southgate has done a good job for England, but the truth is he probably just isn't quite tactically adept enough for a job like United.
Southgate has done a good job for England, but the truth is he probably just isn't quite tactically adept enough for a job like United.
I really hope this is sarcasm
Its pretty hilarious how the pundits most keen on sending Southgate to United are the pundits who hate us this most.
All the English pundits will talk him up for a top job but none of them want him anywhere near their club, the Alan Curbishley treatment
Not a very inspiring choice. I'd rather keep ten Hag than go with Southgate.
If we are getting a new manager, we need someone with a bit of charisma and personality, someone who players would run through a brick wall for.
Southgate is a personality vacuum, players would probably be falling asleep during his team talks.
If we are getting a new manager, we need someone with a bit of charisma and personality, someone who players would run through a brick wall for.
Southgate is a personality vacuum, players would probably be falling asleep during his team talks.
Sky is running with the story the whole morning. This is not the first in two weeks we have been linked with him.
Yes in as much as they are reporting in reports and discussing, again for impressions. It’s obviously working.
the segment is ‘back pages tonight’ and earlier it was a discussion on the football show.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13098359/gareth-southgate-to-manchester-united
Slow news day.
Does anyone think that INEOS would be briefing the press on this if they wanted him? I doubt it.
Suspect that all kinds of potential candidates are being assessed, as with numerous roles at the club.
It was a bit but I’ve noticed how United being linked with either an english player or manager seems to raise the hackles of quite a few people on here at the moment I’d love a Bellingham rice or grealish here but no to fussed on Southgate
Southgate wouldn't be my first choice, but I will say I think the job he's done as England manager is far better than most give him credit for. Hard to judge how he'd do in club management since the 2 roles are so different, and he only managed one club before (and it was ages ago). He's undoubtedly learned a lot since 2009. Whether it's enough to succeed as Utd manager, I'm not sure, but there doesn't seem to be many realistic options.
Alonso certainly seems out of the question (unfortunately, as he would have been my first choice). Brighton's defensive frailties this season have given me doubts about De Zerbi. I think Tuchel's a great tactician, but it can't be denied that he's fallen out with a lot of different squads now, and I certainly wouldn't call our bunch a particularly professional lot. Maybe Nagelsman, but aside from that, not sure what the alternatives are. Perhaps Xavi could be a shout?
I definitely don't want ETH here longer than the end of this season. Amazing FA Cup moment aside, our defensive weaknesses this season have been completely unacceptable. We're among the absolute worst defences and despite the criticism Onana's got, he's actually prevented more goals than nearly every other keeper in the league.
England have generally looked pretty defensively solid whenever I've watched them. Maybe that's what interests Ratcliffe and the rest of the backroom team. Theoretically, if we could become more defensively solid and well-organised while maintaining the attacking talents of Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Rashford and Hojlund (maybe adding Joao Neves if rumours are true), you would expect us to look significantly better. There's still a lot of individual talent there.
Alonso certainly seems out of the question (unfortunately, as he would have been my first choice). Brighton's defensive frailties this season have given me doubts about De Zerbi. I think Tuchel's a great tactician, but it can't be denied that he's fallen out with a lot of different squads now, and I certainly wouldn't call our bunch a particularly professional lot. Maybe Nagelsman, but aside from that, not sure what the alternatives are. Perhaps Xavi could be a shout?
I definitely don't want ETH here longer than the end of this season. Amazing FA Cup moment aside, our defensive weaknesses this season have been completely unacceptable. We're among the absolute worst defences and despite the criticism Onana's got, he's actually prevented more goals than nearly every other keeper in the league.
England have generally looked pretty defensively solid whenever I've watched them. Maybe that's what interests Ratcliffe and the rest of the backroom team. Theoretically, if we could become more defensively solid and well-organised while maintaining the attacking talents of Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Rashford and Hojlund (maybe adding Joao Neves if rumours are true), you would expect us to look significantly better. There's still a lot of individual talent there.
Southgate will never have the chops to manage a club of this stature, I don't care if he wins the next tournament. It's his overall persona, credibility, acumen in games that leads me to think it will never be possible for him to excel at the top of ultra competitive club football.
Maybe, maybe he can transition back into club football and do okay somewhere. Although I have doubts because I think his personality is very much aligned to creating club England and playing the nice guy once every couple of months. He's a good statesman for England that says good things but in club football it's about being at the cutting edge, making great decisions week after week after week, inspiring players that are liable to get bored by you unless you are a cut above.
Maybe, maybe he can transition back into club football and do okay somewhere. Although I have doubts because I think his personality is very much aligned to creating club England and playing the nice guy once every couple of months. He's a good statesman for England that says good things but in club football it's about being at the cutting edge, making great decisions week after week after week, inspiring players that are liable to get bored by you unless you are a cut above.
Ive never liked Southgate since his rift with fergie around 2008. Hes a boring souless dull yes man. He is not Man united material.
no thanks.
no thanks.
He is mediocre as England manager, risk adverse, never managed a big club and has no charisma.
You have to laugh at these dumb agents and journalists to even think for one second we would consider him.
You have to laugh at these dumb agents and journalists to even think for one second we would consider him.
Berrada is city's undercover agent sent here to make sure we dont get any good under new ownership.
This is in reference to Southgate links.
This is in reference to Southgate links.
Ha agreed
Remind me when was the last time he won something of importance.
feck sakes (regarding Southgate). Come on ETH!
I’d rather stick with ETH and take recruitment off his hands. Hopefully we come up with better options or ETH proves his worth.
I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing in it and I'll remain that way until someone more reliable comes out with a story - but a little more fuel to the fire...
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Would you call getting top 4 “success” would you call lesser teams staying up
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Nor my 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice neither. Southgate is a mid-table club manager, no better than Potter.He was a horrible club manager back in, what was it, 2005? Who knows what evolution may have occurred since then?
But he wouldn't be my first choice
If there's one way to get everyone behind Ten Hag and unite the fanbase, its Southgate rumours.
I am not totally against the idea of Southgate. Absolutely not the first choice though.
If going British is Ineos' mantra then I rather we take a punt on Mckenna and give him a proper chance. No southgate or potter ffs.
Thankfully the FA are so ABU they would block it. The best part is they actually think he is a top coach.
I think I'd rather potter than Southgate his football is appalling to watch.
Should rank somewhere below rehiring Moyes.
It would only be worth it if he brings Holland and the whole England scouting network they have over there. You’d expect it’s not going to be a short term success though. Probably consistent CL though? Less of the shit show seasons.
Hire Southgate followed by contract extensions to all British players including Maguire. Show the world what a British bid means.
"Regarding Gareth Southgate being a candidate, the Guardian has been told that though the England manager is admired by Ratcliffe and Brailsford, he is merely one of many in the game who enjoy this status."
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ited-at-least-end-of-season-sir-jim-ratcliffe
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ited-at-least-end-of-season-sir-jim-ratcliffe
Unless they can get someone this summer who they genuinely believe will be one of the 3 best managers over the next decade (I could see the logic in taking a punt on Xabi Alonso for that reason, but Southgate is nowhere near) then this is where I sit. Stick with Ten Hag. Don't stamp on his nuts by expecting him to cover all aspects of the club like the Glazers did. Streamline his role to matchdays, coaching and preparing the players. See how he does. If it doesn't improve by November, then reconsider.
I'd be incredibly concerned if he was anywhere near your first choice. And I'm concerned that you're not totally against the idea. But then there are guys who like women to stamp on their nuts, so who knows what you're into. Nothing good if Southgate is one of your top guys.
I was vehemently against Potter. Still am. But if it's a choice of him or Southgate then I would let Potter stamp on my nuts and sign the contract with the blood from my crushed bollocks.
Roy Keane will say anything for clicks
So do most people to be fair nowadays.
Also worth bearing in mind Neville is 'in' the new layout what with this whole land reconstruction task force they've got going on. He'll definitely have an idea what's occuring, and it doesn't look great.
where there's smoke, there's wires
He’s probably one of the only ones that speaks sense though to be fair. He’s fair with his criticism and can’t be called for being biased