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Why’s a lot of people saying the Bournemouth manager? What’s he actually won? He won’t get the respect from these players. And the people wanting him will be the same ones wanting him out because he ain’t up to the job. Let’s stop aiming for mid table managers.
What has Arteta won? Or Alonso before this year?
 
What has Arteta won? Or Alonso before this year?
That’s different and you know it. We’re not Leverkusen. And Arsenal went down the same route we did with Ole by going with a former player. He also won the Fa Cup first time of asking with Arsenal.
 
My top choice is an unrealistic target. It would be Nagelsmann, then inzaghi from Inter who we haven’t been linked with. I’d also have De Zerbi and Amorim over the Bournemouth manager.

I think Nagelsmann, Inzaghi is the future for the manager after the next appointment. De Zerbi I use to like the sound of but similar to the Bournemouth manager you have to do a lot more to get the United job. They just want get the time to fail and get it right. Neither should they.

Tuchel or Luis Enrique should be our top options for next season.
 
That’s different and you know it. We’re not Leverkusen. And Arsenal went down the same route we did with Ole by going with a former player. He also won the Fa Cup first time of asking with Arsenal.
My point is that if you go for a new young manager, it is expected that he hasn’t won much. Winning something before doesn’t mean much anyway. LVG and Mourinho were serial winners, EtH had won plenty and even Ole won the title (albeit in a much lower level).

We should look at promising managers IMO, those that play good football and are able to punch above their weight. If they hadn’t won nothing, but are still relatively young, I think that is okay.
 
My point is that if you go for a new young manager, it is expected that he hasn’t won much. Winning something before doesn’t mean much anyway. LVG and Mourinho were serial winners, EtH had won plenty and even Ole won the title (albeit in a much lower level).

We should look at promising managers IMO, those that play good football and are able to punch above their weight. If they hadn’t won nothing, but are still relatively young, I think that is okay.
Fair enough. But do you think he’s the type of manager that should be at one of the biggest clubs in the world? It’s his first season at Bournemouth and wouldn’t say he’s overachieved. They’re in and around the position they should be.
 
Why’s a lot of people saying the Bournemouth manager? What’s he actually won? He won’t get the respect from these players. And the people wanting him will be the same ones wanting him out because he ain’t up to the job. Let’s stop aiming for mid table managers.

I just said someone who works in football in the NW told me that Ineos have been analysing potential candidates and Iraola came out a strong candidate on their shortlist.

I'm guessing this is because he's somewhat PL proven as opposed to Amorim, Slot, Motta, Inzaghi, Nagelsmann, Luis Enrique etc who aren't.

Ineos probably have a matrix of criteria and he scored highly on all of them.

The clubs he's managed wouldn't be expected to win anything. He did phenomenal with all of them except the first club in Cyprus. Read up on his record.
 
I just said someone who works in football in the NW told me that Ineos have been analysing potential candidates and Iraola came out a strong candidate on their shortlist.

I'm guessing this is because he's somewhat PL proven as opposed to Amorim, Slot, Motta, Inzaghi, Nagelsmann, Luis Enrique etc who aren't.

The clubs he's managed wouldn't be expected to win anything. He did phenomenal with all of them except the first club in Cyprus. Read up on his record.
He’s been in the prem for a season. He can’t be compared to them other managers you’ve mentioned. Guardiola and Klopp wasn’t prem proven before they came in. Managers abroad can be a lot better if it’s the right guy. People were saying the Tuchel appointment doesn’t excite them. The Bournemouth manager wouldn’t excite me… I’d rather palaces manager than him to be fair.
 
He’s been in the prem for a season. He can’t be compared to them other managers you’ve mentioned. Guardiola and Klopp wasn’t prem proven before they came in. Managers abroad can be a lot better if it’s the right guy. People were saying the Tuchel appointment doesn’t excite them. The Bournemouth manager wouldn’t excite me… I’d rather palaces manager than him to be fair.

I agree that being PL proven isn't absolutely necessary.

I don't know enough about any of them to compare just that Ineos have been analysing and Iraola came towards the top of their list of potential candidates.

He could be number 3 or 4 or 5 though.

Another advantage is that he's gettable as opposed to Alonso, Enrique etc.
 
Fair enough. But do you think he’s the type of manager that should be at one of the biggest clubs in the world? It’s his first season at Bournemouth and wouldn’t say he’s overachieved. They’re in and around the position they should be.
He had a rough start, which is understandable as he was implementing a new tactical system, but I saw somewhere just a couple of weeks ago that from November 1st they had been the 5th best club in the league points-wise. That is pretty impressive. In general the managerial quality in the Prem is extremely high at the moment, I would say.
 
I agree that being PL proven isn't absolutely necessary.

I don't know enough about any of them to compare just that Ineos have been analysing and Iraola came towards the top of their list of potential candidates.

He could be number 3 or 4 or 5 though.

Another advantage is that he's gettable as opposed to Alonso, Enrique etc.
If they do make a change, which at this stage I still think is unlikely (the next few games may play some part in deciding that), I'd imagine that Southgate and Potter are the two most likely appointments but I would be more enthused if they were looking deep into the data to make a an appointment based on who they consider to be the next great manager.

The reality is we're not getting Guardiola, Klopp or Ancelotti so whoever we appoint, be it this summer or next, is going to be a bit of a gamble and someone who isn't guaranteed to work. If they think Iraola or someone similar can take over a team that is surely going to get much younger and develop them into a team that is good to watch and can be back competing for top 4 within the next couple of years with the potential to kick on from there (rather than that being the ceiling as has been the case post Ferguson) then I think that's fair enough.
 
Fair enough. But do you think he’s the type of manager that should be at one of the biggest clubs in the world? It’s his first season at Bournemouth and wouldn’t say he’s overachieved. They’re in and around the position they should be.
Honestly, I do not watch near as much football as before to have strong opinions on promising managers. I think Bournemouth are punching above their weight and playing decent football. Is Iraola good enough for United, I have no idea. I would have stayed the same for the likes of Thiago Motta, Amorin (who has won something), etc. Basically outside of those already at the big clubs (Carlo, Tuchel, Enrique) or those impossible (Alonso), I do not have very strong opinions. But I think that there are good coaches who have done good jobs in smaller clubs who can make the step forward, it’s been always like this.
 
Fair enough. But do you think he’s the type of manager that should be at one of the biggest clubs in the world? It’s his first season at Bournemouth and wouldn’t say he’s overachieved. They’re in and around the position they should be.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pre...le/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2023&min=9&max=37

If you look at this table from matchday 9, they're 6th in the table.

So they're definitely punching above their weight.

He had a very rough start in terms of fixtures and also getting his ideas across etc...
 
I would be more enthused if they were looking deep into the data to make a an appointment based on who they consider to be the next great manager.
100 % this. That’s what Brentford does extremely successfully with both managers and players (and probably other staff as well). And no, you can’t put everything on formula so of course there will still be a need for qualitative assessment and prudence, but I don’t see why we shouldn’t optimize our hiring processes. There are so many factors aside from the managers themselves that decide if they succeed or not and to see through the fog you need a data driven approach (just look at the many opposite opinions on Tuchel, Potter etc.)
 
I could get on board with Enrique if he's available and is up for it.

What about Amorim? I feel like the general reaction to him going to Liverpool was a bit of panic and gloom, but now that he's not going to Liverpool, it doesn't seem like many are calling for him to come here.
 
I could get on board with Enrique if he's available and is up for it.

What about Amorim? I feel like the general reaction to him going to Liverpool was a bit of panic and gloom, but now that he's not going to Liverpool, it doesn't seem like many are calling for him to come here.
I'm not sure everyone will like Enrique's style of play here, doesn't seem the best fit for United - although I rate him as a manager.

Amorim plays a back 3 though and again, are fans going to really warm to that? Seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
 
I'm not sure everyone will like Enrique's style of play here, doesn't seem the best fit for United - although I rate him as a manager.

Amorim plays a back 3 though and again, are fans going to really warm to that? Seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
Do fans even care about the formation as long as the football and the results are good? I do not think we are dogmatic at it as we were just after Fergie when we wanted 442.

I do not think that fans had any problems with LvG‘a back 5. Instead the problem was us being very boring. And you can be entertaining with pretty much any (not insane) formation.
 
Do fans even care about the formation as long as the football and the results are good? I do not think we are dogmatic at it as we were just after Fergie when we wanted 442.

I do not think that fans had any problems with LvG‘a back 5. Instead the problem was us being very boring. And you can be entertaining with pretty much any (not insane) formation.
Especially insane formations tend to be entertaining. Though not always for being successful :lol:
 
I'm not sure everyone will like Enrique's style of play here, doesn't seem the best fit for United - although I rate him as a manager.

Amorim plays a back 3 though and again, are fans going to really warm to that? Seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

Inter, Leverkusen and Sporting all play with a back three. They have been some of the best teams to watch this season.

City basically play with a back three also. Depending on the phase of play.

Feck the fans. Some fans want more of what we're currently serving up.
 
Do fans even care about the formation as long as the football and the results are good? I do not think we are dogmatic at it as we were just after Fergie when we wanted 442.

I do not think that fans had any problems with LvG‘a back 5. Instead the problem was us being very boring. And you can be entertaining with pretty much any (not insane) formation.
I think if we're entertaining, sure, but they will turn very quickly as it's just not traditionally how we set up as a United side.
Inter, Leverkusen and Sporting all play with a back three. They have been some of the best teams to watch this season.

City basically play with a back three also. Depending on the phase of play.

Feck the fans. Some fans want more of what we're currently serving up.
I am not against a back three, when I was younger and playing it was my favoured formation (mainly because it got me in the side). I think it can be very attacking with the right players in, as I just said, I think it will unravel very quickly if it doesn't produce the football intended very soon into the project.
 
Southgate would be such a bland appointment. If ETH is replaced by Southgate this for me will show that with Ineos in charge of the football side of things in this club nothing will really change in power structure. Thus non football people calling the shots and not the new footballing management structure we are told to believe being in control. So we will pretty soon see if new structure will bring any actual change. Same will be seen in appointments and transfers in the first team. Incomings and outgoings. We will see across the summer if we really are changing the footballing structure of the club or will it be just more of the same mediocrity and incompetence served in the last 10+ years.
 
I read Jason McAteer saying he bumped into a United player near where he lives who more or less told him Southgate was likely coming in by "smiling " at him :confused:

While I find it extremely difficult to believe any United player would know or speak to McAteer it make me curious to try and work out who it would be if it were true.
 
I read Jason McAteer saying he bumped into a United player near where he lives who more or less told him Southgate was likely coming in by "smiling " at him :confused:

While I find it extremely difficult to believe any United player would know or speak to McAteer it make me curious to try and work out who it would be if it were true.
Correct. Players won't have a clue, this is more likely just James mcateer wanting to sound like he knows things.
 


I believe he will be the next manager, and we are going to get the occasional article to slowly make it more palatable until it happens. It will work for some people, but I doubt it would do it for the majority. As far as I am concerned, this will be a very depressing appointment, but not really unexpected.

Apart from his connections with Brailsford, Ashworth, and McClaren, perhaps INEOS think he can change the culture inside the club and benefit from some protection from the media. But managing footballers playing for country is very different from doing the same with footballers playing for club. I think he will be eaten alive and shit out by this squad before you can say "bad hire". And since it's Manchester United, any leniency from criticism his persona would bring will be very shortlived. And all of that is before his actual ability as manager and his frankly terrible football.

All in all, Southgate would be a sidegrade from the current manager, but I fully expect him to be the one to take over.
 
I believe he will be the next manager, and we are going to get the occasional article to slowly make it more palatable until it happens. It will work for some people, but I doubt it would do it for the majority. As far as I am concerned, this will be a very depressing appointment, but not really unexpected.

Apart from his connections with Brailsford, Ashworth, and McClaren, perhaps INEOS think he can change the culture inside the club and benefit from some protection from the media. But managing footballers playing for country is very different from doing the same with footballers playing for club. I think he will be eaten alive and shit out by this squad before you can say "bad hire". And since it's Manchester United, any leniency from criticism his persona would bring will be very shortlived. And all of that is before his actual ability as manager and his frankly terrible football.

All in all, Southgate would be a sidegrade from the current manager, but I fully expect him to be the one to take over.

No he won't it seems for some of our fanbase it's just not enough to be miserable about the actual issues plaguing United , but there is an incessant need to manufacture new things to get depressed about it just beggars belief .
 
Southgate won't be the manager this summer, there's too much overlap with the Euro's. There is no way that Southgate announces before the Euro's that he's moving to Manchester United after and he won't want the distraction of not just him but the players constantly being asked about it during the tournament.

The only way he gets the job is if Ten Hag gets given the start of next season. And then when he's likely sacked before Christmas we are in the position of either needing an interim or choosing from a much smaller field of candidates who are happy to switch mid-season. Southgate meanwhile will just be coming to the end of his England contract so will be free and available.
 
No he won't it seems for some of our fanbase it's just not enough to be miserable about the actual issues plaguing United , but there is an incessant need to manufacture new things to get depressed about it just beggars belief .

Your estimation of me is appreciated, but wholly inaccurate. Ornstein has confirmed the interest is real, and I trust his information. And there are significant connections between Gareth Southgate and people in and around INEOS. Furthermore, the pool of available managers has shrunk significantly over time. It is not at all unreasonable to believe this will happen, and it has nothing to do with "looking for things to be miserable about". Right back at you, I believe you are dismissing the real possibility because you don't like it.
 
Your estimation of me is appreciated, but wholly inaccurate. Ornstein has confirmed the interest is real, and I trust his information. And there are significant connections between Gareth Southgate and people in and around INEOS. Furthermore, the pool of available managers has shrunk significantly over time. It is not at all unreasonable to believe this will happen, and it has nothing to do with "looking for things to be miserable about". Right back at you, I believe you are dismissing the real possibility because you don't like it.

Please share the Ornstein link I may have missed it .

I am fully confident he won't even be in contention and I am willing to place a friendly wager as well If you are up for it .
 
The only question is why would you give a new manager the chance to overhaul the squad, when ETH is already there with the lessons learnt about the squad from the last 2 seasons?

Why give half of these shit cnut players another chance to deceive the fans and another new coach only to fail 2 years down the line again.

Replacing players is a much higher priority than replacing another manager.
 
Please share the Ornstein link I may have missed it .

I am fully confident he won't even be in contention and I am willing to place a friendly wager as well If you are up for it .

I have seen a tweet posted on this forum, but I don't know if it's from an article or a podcast. You can probably find it on Twitter. And I don't bet, but we can just come back here when something happens. I'd love this to not be true, of course. :lol:
 
The only question is why would you give a new manager the chance to overhaul the squad, when ETH is already there with the lessons learnt about the squad from the last 2 seasons?

Why give half of these shit cnut players another chance to deceive the fans and another new coach only to fail 2 years down the line again.

Replacing players is a much higher priority than replacing another manager.
Because the idea is that moving forward the manager won't be the person driving recruitment and player sales? Plus a massive chunk of these players have played under just Ten Hag or maybe 2 full-time managers at United, there has been a significant overhaul over the last 2 years and most of the players brought in in the last 2 years also need replacing which indicate Ten Hag isn't the person to rebuild this squad and will need people above him to do it for him (at which point the rest of your post becomes irrelevant).
 
I agree that being PL proven isn't absolutely necessary.

I don't know enough about any of them to compare just that Ineos have been analysing and Iraola came towards the top of their list of potential candidates.

He could be number 3 or 4 or 5 though.

Another advantage is that he's gettable as opposed to Alonso, Enrique etc.
He's just signed a contract extension, I guess he's no longer gettable albeit I didn't expect him to be a major candidate if the club makes a change anyway.
 
Because the idea is that moving forward the manager won't be the person driving recruitment and player sales? Plus a massive chunk of these players have played under just Ten Hag or maybe 2 full-time managers at United, there has been a significant overhaul over the last 2 years and most of the players brought in in the last 2 years also need replacing which indicate Ten Hag isn't the person to rebuild this squad and will need people above him to do it for him (at which point the rest of your post becomes irrelevant).

Most of your post is irrelevant. If Ten Hag is now coach only and we will be having better people in charge of scouting and recruitment...

Surely looking at that objectively it would also mean that would benefit Ten Hag as coach. Who only did it himself because he had zero faith with the people in charge so had a go himself. Now with competent people in charge he can focus on coaching.

If the recruitment team do a much better job than he did, he could do really well focussing on coaching the brand new good players.... So why change the coach?

Unless there's someone guaranteed to be better than Ten Hag would be next year with the new structure working at the club it's not worth it. Might aswell give him til the end of his contract and see if there's a world class manager that is available to come in IF Ten Hag doesn't prove a good coach, despite getting better players under the new regime.
 
Because the idea is that moving forward the manager won't be the person driving recruitment and player sales? Plus a massive chunk of these players have played under just Ten Hag or maybe 2 full-time managers at United, there has been a significant overhaul over the last 2 years and most of the players brought in in the last 2 years also need replacing which indicate Ten Hag isn't the person to rebuild this squad and will need people above him to do it for him (at which point the rest of your post becomes irrelevant).

You can't feel players like Rashford, Shaw, AWB, Lindelof and Maguire deserve more chances and a new manager to work under surely?
 
I believe he will be the next manager, and we are going to get the occasional article to slowly make it more palatable until it happens. It will work for some people, but I doubt it would do it for the majority. As far as I am concerned, this will be a very depressing appointment, but not really unexpected.

Apart from his connections with Brailsford, Ashworth, and McClaren, perhaps INEOS think he can change the culture inside the club and benefit from some protection from the media. But managing footballers playing for country is very different from doing the same with footballers playing for club. I think he will be eaten alive and shit out by this squad before you can say "bad hire". And since it's Manchester United, any leniency from criticism his persona would bring will be very shortlived. And all of that is before his actual ability as manager and his frankly terrible football.

All in all, Southgate would be a sidegrade from the current manager, but I fully expect him to be the one to take over.
Mitten has poured cold water on the links recently as SJR/INEOS gauged fan reaction and decided against it.

I guess time will tell but him coming in halfway through pre season after the Euros would be a disaster on top of the disaster of appointing him.
 
Mitten has poured cold water on the links recently as SJR/INEOS gauged fan reaction and decided against it.

I guess time will tell but him coming in halfway through pre season after the Euros would be a disaster on top of the disaster of appointing him.


It Mitten is saying it would appear to be somewhat reassuring. Time will tell though
 
Most of your post is irrelevant. If Ten Hag is now coach only and we will be having better people in charge of scouting and recruitment...

Surely looking at that objectively it would also mean that would benefit Ten Hag as coach. Who only did it himself because he had zero faith with the people in charge so had a go himself. Now with competent people in charge he can focus on coaching.

If the recruitment team do a much better job than he did, he could do really well focussing on coaching the brand new good players.... So why change the coach?

Unless there's someone guaranteed to be better than Ten Hag would be next year with the new structure working at the club it's not worth it. Might aswell give him til the end of his contract and see if there's a world class manager that is available to come in IF Ten Hag doesn't prove a good coach, despite getting better players under the new regime.
That's fine, you literally said why give a new manager a chance to overhaul the squad and talking about the lessons he's learned about them. He's not going to be responsible for that, if you want to keep him because you think he's the right man for a new group of players that's fine but he's not going to be the one overhauling the squad.

I just think someone who can't work out in 9 months that playing a deep defensive line and an uncoordinated high press isn't going to work probably isn't a world class manager and isn't going to become one. It can be the case (and I think is the case) that we've bought a load of 2nd rate players and appointed a 2nd rate coach. The managerial market isn't going to be significantly better next year than this (it very rarely is that strong) and so I would make a change but can also understand if the club think it's better to just carry on until the senior people above the manager are properly in place to make a decision next year based on how we're doing.
 
Apart from his connections with Brailsford, Ashworth, and McClaren, perhaps INEOS think he can change the culture inside the club and benefit from some protection from the media. But managing footballers playing for country is very different from doing the same with footballers playing for club.

The poisonous culture at United stems from brutal mismanagement.

Ineos hiring their mate to take us over, thinking they'll have 'cracked it', is like putting a fire out with gasoline.

He'll be sacked within a season, and the players will quite rightly view Ineos as a busted flush.

Hopefully, they'll see sense and hire an appropriate manager.
 
If it's the case that Ineos want a sporting director/head coach set-up, that in itself would worry me. I can think of many great managers but not one great sporting director. The only one to really build a reputation was Monchi and the moment he left Sevilla he was dreadful. If you make the bloke who does recruitment the line manager of the man who picks the team and spends all day with the players you have the tail wagging the dog, in my view. Fergie wouldn't have stood for that for one second.

If we keep Erik there's a good case for taking recruitment partially out of his hands because - well, because Antony, basically. But if Erik is replaced, most managers worthy of the role would want a big say in recruitment, and rightly so.

I look at the betting on likely successors to Erik and Tuchel is the only one who looks the part. The ability to handle the pressure of a massive club is a genuine factor. The likes of Potter and Iraola look to me like they don't have the personality to handle the sheer size of the United job. The likes of Zidane are the opposite - he could handle the pressure but he's not a proper coach. Tuchel's the only one on the list who ticks both boxes.
 
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