Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Good, at least we can write him off.
Tuchel, Amorim, Potter, Southgate. Am I missing someone?
Yeah, Ten Hag is going to overhaul Antony, Onana, Mount, Casemiro, Hojlund, Malacia, Amrabat, Martinez this summer and sign some good players instead. But you didn't really mean those guys did you? You meant Rashford, Bruno, McTomminay, Varane, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot, the guys he keeps picking game after game, regardless of what they do or how bad their form his. Yeah he'll surely sell the lot of them... 
Please go to World Cup 2026. England need you. Also, you won't last a season Man Utd. Don't take this risk.
What’s Conte up to these days? I remember he was the overwhelming favourite on the Caf for the job when Ole was on the brink of being sacked
I think Potter is a good coach, albeit not an immediately transformative one. He was given plenty of time at Brighton. Three full seasons and by the time he left for Chelsea, the only one of Chris Hughton's signings left as a first team starter was Pascal Groß.
I think he is a tougher character than he's perhaps given credit for but you have to question if he'd be given the time he'd need at United. If ten Hag does get binned then his legacy is going to be the likes of Antony, Mount and Onana. With limited funds and possibly no European football, the new manager is going to be expected to get a tune out of most of the existing bunch.
Personally, I'd prefer Potter to Southgate as he could start more or less directly. In fact, if Ratcliffe wants him, I'd punt ten Hag now and have him through the door.
Moyes' was hitting from the back tees from the beginning as he didn't take over until the July. Southgate would be in a similar position due to the Euros. I don't want to see that mistake repeated.
Considering Napoli job.
We can still get him but just have to pay more in compensation.
Van Gaal as well. Went far with Netherlands on WC so don't think he started before mid-July or even later.
Think this would have been too early to go for him anyway. A year ago De Zerbi looked even better than him but a lot of concerns have come up this season. I'd like to see if Iraola can continue these performances with Bournemouth throughout the entirety of next season.
Would take De Zerbi, think he progresses the build up more efficiently from a coaching perspective the only issue is dealing with the big club expectations which has absolutely depleted Erik.
Roberto also has the capacity to get teams to perform above their talent level. Look at the respective impact of Caicedo / Mac Allister both better players at their former clubs. Erik by his own admission can only perform his managerial duties if the conditions are perfect for him and even then he said a fully fit squad would be capable of fighting for top 4. He's demonstrated a defeatist mindset and it's pointless retaining him.
Roberto also has the capacity to get teams to perform above their talent level. Look at the respective impact of Caicedo / Mac Allister both better players at their former clubs. Erik by his own admission can only perform his managerial duties if the conditions are perfect for him and even then he said a fully fit squad would be capable of fighting for top 4. He's demonstrated a defeatist mindset and it's pointless retaining him.
Has De Zerbi ruled out a move yet? Motta, if he's not agreed with Juve yet maybe. I'd like to think there's still a chance of Inzaghi. I think there'll be some targets that we've not really considered too.
If, like Brighton, they get pillaged of players without replacing them, then there will be an inevitable drop off. Personally I wouldn't write RDZ off yet as he actually has been dealt a bad hand this season. They've had long term injuries throughout their team, and already lost their best players last summer.
Yeah I'd be fine with Potter, looking back at his Chelsea reign he was screwed with that shit show of a transfer window where he was given so many random young players that all needed time and minutes. They also couldn't score a fecking goal while he was in charge so the results were awful towards the end
I've watched them loads. Their defensive issues are very concerning and have been there for a long time. It feels like clubs have figured out how they play and how to counter it. Most worrying for me is that he hasn't addressed it or changed it in any way.
Things could turn nasty quite quickly if it's Southgate. INEOs will have p*ssed away a lot of goodwill that being said Mitten's comments tend to give me hope that INEOS are actually listening
Not that I want it to happen at all but I honestly don't see how we can have an individual season worse than this one, even if someone like Southgate was appointed. Getting the next appointment wrong obviously means the rot sets in that bit deeper but the mismanagement of the team this season has been staggeringly bad.
I do think there's an element of scaremongering involved in the Southgate rumours. The press know what generates clicks and it's a lot easier for them to continue pumping out headlines about United if there's a riled up fanbase there to lap it up. He might be on the list somewhere but I seriously doubt he's top choice.
haha okay then.... that said and I hate to come out in defence of ETH I do think that the whole take over saga did have a negative impact on the club over the summer and early season, just the uncertainty and drama, similar definitely impacted Chelsea when Abramovich was being forced to sell, seems like football clubs cannot be easily broken down into separate parts, they are one big symbiotic system, something affecting the commercial side of the business should not impact on the playing side, however it seems it does... I am hopeful therefore that the medium to long term impact of INEOS will be positive, they appear to be very proactive in establishing a healthy organisation, which there is absolutely no reason Utd should not be
Don't care if it's Southgate tbh. Ashworth worked with him and clearly knows him well, so if he fails then Ashworth can go with him.
He certainly won't be worse than keeping ETH after a miserable season. You don't come back from some of these results and the players certainly don't look like they're going to back him till the end either. The next guy will at the very least enjoy a period of new manager bounce. Persist with ETH and we enter next season under a dark cloud.
He certainly won't be worse than keeping ETH after a miserable season. You don't come back from some of these results and the players certainly don't look like they're going to back him till the end either. The next guy will at the very least enjoy a period of new manager bounce. Persist with ETH and we enter next season under a dark cloud.
Do not really get the ”there are no good managers on the market” argument. Also the “only an elite manager can fix us” is a lazy comment. Where there better managers around last year? Or the year before? No top team would have hired Alonso 18 months ago. What if Arne Slot is a success at Liverpool, is he an elite manager then? In my view there are plenty of good coaches around, they don’t have to have won a CL to prove it.
I think there is a lot of validity to it personally.
If we're speculating, assuming a top team HAD hired Alonso 18 months ago, there would be no guarantees he would be as highly rated as he is now. There's a case for it coming too early and I think he's smart staying at Leverkusen and getting CL experience from a position of strength.
But maybe you can give examples of managers without significant success joining huge clubs in England and winning significant trophies? I think of all the most successful managers over the last 20 years and all of them joined their clubs already established. Arteta is doing well but has still won bugger all of any note in his 4th(?) season there.
Who is likely to be available next summer who will have this significant level of success? If you look in the last 5 years the most successful managers who have moved clubs are Tuchel going to Bayern (he's available this summer), Conte going to Spurs (he's available this summer) and Ancelotti to Real Madrid (why would he leave them for us at any stage?). The reality is that be it this year or next it's going to most likely be a gamble on someone who has performed above expectations with a smaller team or had success in a smaller league.
If the club wants to give Ten Hag a chance under a new structure or want to have those new senior figures be more established before making a decision next summer with more evidence then fair enough, it wouldn't be my preference but it would be understandable, but justifying it based on the managerial market is a bit silly given it's no more bare than usual.
I seriously doubt Ashworth will be clipped whenever Southgate is fired.
He'll be kept on, like Woodward, to make as many mistakes as he likes. Tight with the boss.
Just like Woodward.
I sincerely hope they are gaining wise counsel, because appointing a 'positive vibes' coach like Southgate will be the cast-iron proof they are continuity Glazers.
Appointments like these, and the reason they give them, are crucial. Way more important than 'wembley of the north' and such.
Got everything crossed Ineos are not stupid enough to hire Southgate.
The problem with your counter here is that I'm not saying that absolutely every manager with a history of success is going to be a guaranteed success. But that there are very few examples where a manager with no background of major success has joined a major English club and been a successful appointment. So saying what you're saying doesn't disprove that.
Yes you're probably correct. And I'll be hopeful it works. But I can't think of any good examples whereby it's happened and proved successful for a top club in England. I think it's a valid point. But I'm happy to be proved wrong. I want to be proved wrong in fact.
This isn't what I'm doing. I think a manager like Graham Potter has a good chance of being a successful appointment for the likes of Newcastle or Spurs, I think i'd be less sure of it if he went to Liverpool, city or United (who are shite atm, but still hold huge expectations and potential).
I'd feel more sure a team like Liverpool/Chelsea would title challenge next season if they had a manager like Tuchel, rather than if they had Potter who has never made a title challenge before.
And anyway, I am not saying it's impossible or will never happen, it just doesn't much. If we had the opportunity to hire Arteta this summer by some unforeseen set of circumstances, I would be all fecking in and his CV not being as glittering as Tuchel's is currently wouldn't put me off.
Bayern have had an approach for Glasner rejected by Palace. There really is sweet f*ck all out there at the moment. Barcelona stuck with Xavi. Liverpool appointed the Aldi Ten Hag. Bayern cannot find anyone. Really doesn't paint a good picture of the current market.
I wasn't trying to disprove your point about manager's with a history of success because generally you're right, I was more just pointing out that there's a relatively limited number of them and this isn't an especially barren year in terms of availability given Tuchel and Conte are if that's the preferred route. The only person who would qualify as such and who might realistically be available next year is Luis Enrique (maybe Simone Inzaghi if things go awry at Inter).
My post wasn't even so much as a response to yours, it's just a reasoning I've seen a lot for keeping Ten Hag that the managerial market is quite bare. My contention is just that it generally is, this isn't an abnormal year, and whenever we make an appointment it's going to either be a gamble on someone relatively unproven or going for a manager who has had success but have likely been sacked from another big job recently. If the club thinks the best thing to do is give it a year and see how things go then that's fair enough, I just wouldn't want them to do that primarily because of some belief that there's going to be a load of amazing options at a later date.
True.
I've actually warmed slightly to Potter in the last couple of weeks mainly because the alternatives are making me flaccid.
Not a perfect appointment, but I think he has some promising attributes. If United try to beat the market by signing younger players (say 21 and under) and developing them ourselves, then Potter would be a good choice to develop them. He's also known for a pleasing brand of football and would presumably be a head coach with Ashworth/Wilcox taking a lot of the burden. I think Potter himself will also improve as a manager a lot too. He seems to have the right attitude.
Ah I see. Fair enough.
I mean yes, my personal view, which by my reading isn't too dissimilar to yours, is that if United decide that Ten Hag simply isn't the man and will never be the man to fulfil their ambitions, then the best thing to do is sack him in 2 weeks and enter the managers market and get someone they think can fulfil their targets, or who they think has the potential to become that manager.
If they don't think there is anyone about who can fulfil their targets available this summer, but receive encouragement that there will be in 2025 and will join United then, then I can see a scenario whereby they keep Ten Hag on
Hope INEOS are not listening. I trust proven professionals like Wilcox, Berrada and Ashworth far more than the average fan. Listening to the fans is what led to us signing ETH in the first place. Whether it would have worked out any better or not, it seemed pretty clear that Poch was the Glazers 1st choice for manager, and they changed due to the hate they were getting from the fans.
Southgate wouldn't be my choice, but frankly whoever is appointed, I don't want it based on what I or any other fan thinks. If the decision was made because of fan backlash, that would convince me already that nothing's going to improve here going forward.
Iraola has extended his contract with Bournemouth, doubt he would have if he was a serious consideration.
Guardiola, Alonso, Arteta, Thiago Motta all great or to be great managers all played as DMs/number 6 position. Seems like players from that position turn into good coaches. Fabregas and de Rossi coming up as well. Hopefully same will be with Carrick. McKenna was a midfielder as well.
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According to tha latest rumours Thomas Tuchel may stay at Bayern beyond this season this is one of the strangest and funniest managerial saga in the recent years involving some of the biggest clubs in the world..
this is one of the strangest and funniest managerial saga in the recent years involving some of the biggest clubs in the world..The All Blacks weren’t red hot favorites though, were they? Going into the tournament they were ranked behind Ire, SA & Fra - so essentially 4th favorites at that point. Even then, not quite sure how that ties into all this. Isn’t Ineos just a sponsor of them and don’t actually run/manage them?
They would need to double his wages. I can’t see him staying, even if he’s not a contender for us.According to tha latest rumours Thomas Tuchel may stay at Bayern beyond this season
There’s a reason why all these managers are turning down Bayern, they’ve been a mess since they changed the running of the club a couple years ago.
It seems like a one year extension until 2026. That isn’t exactly a future proof long term knot.
Would love Mourinho back if his football style wasn't so negative.
I dont know if hes just stubborn or doesnt know any other way to coach, but by not adapting to modern football, he's really limiting his job options.
I dont know if hes just stubborn or doesnt know any other way to coach, but by not adapting to modern football, he's really limiting his job options.
Letting the DOF go when the manager leaves kind of contradicts the idea of creating a structure that remains sound even when a manager goes.
Given the effort they have put into the structure I'd be bitterly disappointed if those two are anywhere near their list let alone strong favorites. That will be disastrous and will set us back by half a decade.
If they don't want the Tuchel buggage that seems to follow him wherever he goes I hope they go for a truly left field option, I'd take Iraola and be willing to see where he will be in a few years time. We don't need a few seasons to build for top 4, we are currently about 14 points behind and with all the issues we have had - from an injury prone defense, a DM whose gone into terminal decline, a young striker struggling to find his feet and suicidal tactics it's easier to make up that gap under new management.
The difficult hurdle for us has been what to do after getting back into the CL, hopefully this is where INEOS will be different from the Glazers and not relent. It's also important to ensure that we have young players who are always growing so that they can rise up to meet the challenge of kicking on.
Why would INEOS risk fan goodwill just to get a crony in when Sir Jim has the most meat in the game? Southgate won't have the backing of the fan base and if he hits a rough patch early on the fans will pounce. He is not rated nor wanted here I think he is intelligent and perceptive enough to know that he won't get a fair chance here from the fans. The toxicity will reach chernobyl levels and destroy whatever chance INEOS had of rebuilding the club.
Just get that feeling if Hag goes (I personally think he will get the sack) it will be potter, he’s apparently turned down Ajax which surely you wouldn’t do if you didn’t have something bigger and better lined up and he worked with Ashworth at Brighton.
If it happens I’m not sure how I’d feel about it, he seems highly rated and at least we’ve got “proper” people making these decisions and not accountants, this is going to be a very interesting few weeks that’s for sure.
If it happens I’m not sure how I’d feel about it, he seems highly rated and at least we’ve got “proper” people making these decisions and not accountants, this is going to be a very interesting few weeks that’s for sure.