Can you explain your logic here please? Him being replaced by AWB is a good reason to extend him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
One year extension is not that much worrying than those of Jones and Mata.
Yes. We sign a young player who seems significantly better than Young while reducing our previous full back to the bench. Otherwise we would have no back up for our first team players.
Unless you want part of our budget this year going on a back up left back, it makes sense to keep Young.
They back on Monday and Ole said this
Guess he is entitled and spoilt too. Real Madrid have made like 5 or 6 signings, so maybe we should start acting like the biggest club in the world like we think we are considering how badly we finished.
Real Madrid have made three signings more than us. Preseason hasn't started yet. We could easily announce one or two players next week.
They made three more signings than us and their preseason starts 10 days later than ours. You’d think the club would have learned the mistakes of the past few years by getting majority of the signings in early. Obviously they could prove me wrong by announcing two signings over the weekend, but I highly doubt it with Woodward.
I think we haven’t announced anything yet is because we want to announce multiple signings at once.
Everyone knows Wan Bissaka is done. But we’ll announce when the finishing touches are done on Bruno Fernandes and De Ligt too
Everyone knows Wan Bissaka is done. But we’ll announce when the finishing touches are done on Bruno Fernandes and De Ligt too
Still?
It’s really only Real who have made significant strides in the window so far, but that’s because they love to blow their own trumpet, they had a really shit season considering they were 3 in a row European champions going into it and Perez wants to make those signings ASAP so the angry handkerchief horde don’t oust him whenever the next election is.
All things considering, we’re not doing too bad. Chelsea have yet to appoint a new manager, lost their standout player and we’re almost into preseason. Arsenal reportedly have no money to spend, and would essentially need to sell to buy but haven't spent yet, and Spurs haven’t spent yet.
All things considering, we’re not doing too bad. Chelsea have yet to appoint a new manager, lost their standout player and we’re almost into preseason. Arsenal reportedly have no money to spend, and would essentially need to sell to buy but haven't spent yet, and Spurs haven’t spent yet.
Wan Bissaka and James. Surely you know that?
The harsh truth is that it is probably very difficult right now to sign top players to man utd, more difficult than 5 years ago at least. Considering the state of the club, instability and Woodward. We have not done business early before so why would we be able to do it early now? I'm not saying it is something we must accept but when nothing has changed structurally and ambition wise (seemingly) it was not a surprise for me to see this happening again. Hopefully we at least get some of the top targets and improve the team before the season starts.
I think we still need 2 more at least. A midfielder and a center back IMO. While on the other hand we still need we still have to get rid of many. So we still doing shit as usual.
We need some decent movement next week. At least one in and hopefully one out too.
Very limited. But Ole said that he wanted to have most of our business completed before the players return for preseason, which they do on Monday. At the very least I would like us to have signed a topclass CB and CM before we leave for Asia. Let us see what happens, but I doubt it will happen.
Id like to see fernandes join from sporting. Goals assists and creativity from midfield and sporting want to sell. I think a deal could be wrapped up rather quickly if we were interested
Would prefer Tielemans or Maddison, both are younger and proven in the PL. Tielemans would be cheaper as well.
CB is more of a concern, KK, Maguire and Diop are deemed too expensive it seems. Maybe Tah and Upamecano are still too raw? We might have to do with what we have and hope that Tuanzebe or Bailly takes the next step.
Yeah well my point is mainly i dont think everyone will play hardball to the extent palace did. That parish has always been a wide boy though. There will be players out there we could snap up in a few days. And I also think we do need proven players.
KK, Diop and Maguire are too expensive. Frustratingly, in previous years because of our lack of clear strategy and superstars projects, we could have had Diop or Maguire for 25 million if we took a punt on players like that. Instead we seem to wait for them to tear it up at other teams before being quoted triple the price.
In the bracket of Tah and Upemacano is Saliba as well at a rumoured 20m
I really like Maddison as a player, he's always dangerous... but I'm not sure we're in a position to be turning up our noses at Fernandez.
All fair points. To be honest, I would have been furious if we had signed lumbering Maguire a few seasons ago, but he has developed very nicely since then.
Despite our new strategy, which I support, I would make an exception for KK, if we can get him for 75-80m. He is that good and we need him desperately.
Well.. We’ve got a right wing now
I keep reading this sort of sentiment, but there's nothing to suggest he'd have turned out better than a Bailly, or even Lindelöf, who despite people being pleased he's now not the walking mistake he was at first, still isn't a strong defender.
We haven't bought anyone who has improved or developed playing for us, for a long time.
I seriously hope they manage to bring everyone in before pre season so they get integrated as fast as possible. I don't think there will be more than 2 additions.
Does anyone understand the current scheme of player signings that stand at one signing/negotiation at a time. Surely that can't be true, if it is the case there is little wonder at why the transfer window turns into a frantic race in the last week when we are involved.
is it amateur hour or shrewd tactics?
is it amateur hour or shrewd tactics?
We signed schneiderlin and bastian on the same day before. Each deal is unique and there may be multiple layers that need to be sorted. I’d imagine ~80% of the deal is done for most of our deals at the moment.
It's suicide.
No DoF etc means Woody can't physically do things in parallel. Remember he has to juggle this with marketing deals plus the potential outgoings as well as the general running of the club
Why would we have more time at the end of a window to make it a "frantic race" as opposed to all the time that passes during the window?
Thing is, there is a limited amount of people that negotiate on behalf of the club. Player signings and negotiations are usually done by people who have a lot of financial expertise. For example Manchester United has one person who is in charge of negotiations.
That doesn't mean that we only talk to one player at a time. Of course we do. But we only have time to meet so many people in one day.
Player signings are usually worked on months in advance, you just don't hear about it in the news and so our only opinion is formed from news paper articles. Even if those articles doesn't state how long a deal has been worked on, we just assume that they're only talking to one guy since that's what we read about.
One signing at a time is what happens when a deal is only reached once at a time. Sometimes negotiations take longer for a myriad of reasons, other times it's a easy deal (buyout clause, contract expring, selling club actually wants to sell, etc).
Wan-Bissaka took time because reportedly Crystal Palace tried to get rid of Zahas sell-on clause.
The only club that has done considerable business before now is Real Madrid and German clubs in Germany, everyone else are following suit now.
Manchester United have also been very busy stocking up the clubs youth system in the U-18's with fantastic talent:
- Johan Guadagno - Goalkeeper - IF Brommapojkarna (Swedish side) - July 1st
- Björn Hardley - Joined from NAC Breda - Centre-Back - July 1st
- Mateo Mejia - Joined from Real Zaragoza - Central Midfield - July 1st
- Dillon Hoogewerf - Joined from Ajax - Centre-Forward - July 1st
There is so much happening outside of the transfer tweets, fans can start relaxing and trusting that the club are doing everything in their power to get signings done.
We also have a very important case to resolve with Paul Pogba and Romelu Lukaku. The club have already explored options and allegedly the replacement for Lukaku has already agreed personal terms, while Paul Pogba may or may not leave the club in exchange for a fee + player or a massive fee that will be reinvested in the transfer market.
Simply put, we can't do everything at once. The club has already spent 72 mill Euro in the transfer market, with a megabid at £70 million for Harry Maguire having been officially sent. That alone means that the club are ready to spend £130million ~ on 3 players and we're not even done doing business. Bruno Fernandes and Sean Longstaff will very likely be completed at around 70-80 million euro total. Bringing the clubs spending bill near £200 million before we've even sold a single player.
Manchester United absolutely means business when Ed Woodward said that the club are backing the manager in the transfer market.
This window is shaping up to be the clubs biggest transfer window in the clubs 141 year long history.
Time to get bloody excited.
Thanks for the update Ed
Wow, you are quite deluded. This is what fans are thinking all along this transfer window.
1. Ed Woodward and Ole came out and said big things will happen this Summer prior to the season finishing.
2. Real signed players before transfer window opened. In this thread, fans were wondering what is happening. Response from some fans - Transfer window not open yet and no one else is signing. (teams we looking to reach only need 1/2 signings)
3. Players are on International duty - when Nations league finishes more will happen. Nothing happened.
4. June - players are on holidays so no transfer.
5. It is a long transfer window.
Fans keep expecting things will happen in terms of incomings. We have signed 2. AWB - great signing and James - a potential when we need first team signings.
Deadwood - 0 outgoings... and only ones looking to leave are ones that aren't actually deadwood?
When your paid the sums Ed is on, you can't say you deal with one at a time, you hire the correct people to deal with these issues.
Thanks for the update Ed
If only I had Woodward moneyThis reads like a PR statement.
I know you are but what am i
Thank you for calling me deluded, completely ignoring that everything I said is factually true, you can check it yourself if you care to.
1) Wan-Bissaka is the most expensive fullback in the world (unless im mistaken, I might be, don't shoot me) - That alone is a big thing.
2) Why are you using the only club that signed players of significance as an example here? What about Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea? All of them have been slow to sign. Are they also incompetent, or could there convceivably be a good reason why nothing happens until late?
3. Wan-Bissaka was on international duty, when duty ended, Wan-Bissaka was signed.
4. Daniel James was confirmed in June.
5. It is a long transfer window.
No seriously, why do you think that we haven't signed more players yet? What is your actual reason other than thinking that everyone but you knows how to sign football players? I would genuinely like to know because you seems to be pissed out about the situation.
By the way: Ed Woodward does not close negotiations, Matt Judge does. Matt Judge has a masters degree in economics and 13 years experience as a investment banker. He's lightyears more qualified than you or me to negotiate a big transfer.
I know, but I choose to be positive about what's going on. Also what I wrote is true, so there's that.
Pessimistic because it's easier to find people who agree with you?
Liverpool and man city arent in the same situation as we are. Arsenal are feck ups as well. And chelsea have a transfer ban.
Wan bissaka, and daniel james, arent "big" things relative to the implication.
The transfer window isnt that long, its shorter now. But not really the point. Utd should have been getting their business done early so as to bring whoever in before pre season. Its been seven years of the same old story, big promises and little reward. Seven years is enough time for anyone to lose patience.
I'm sure you'll find many friends on here.
in all honesty though, it's good to see some optimism for once.
Where Judge sits in United's hierarchical structure
Judge is widely seen as the right-hand man to Woodward and is assisted by John Murtough, United's head of football development, who previously held the position of head of elite performance at the Premier League.
Woodward and Judge are both heavily involved in United's recruitment, with the club's global network of 52 scouts headed up by Marcel Bout and Mick Court.
Judge is often the point of contact for agents representing both United players in negotiations over new deals, and players in whom United hold an interest.
There is no way we deal with one transfer at a time. What holds up the transfer is selling clubs and agent ask for stupid money, we offer less, they say no. And they know that sooner or later we will crack as the transfer window closing date looms closer. It's just a waiting game.
Our biggest issue is we target only one for each position. We seem to fixate on one player then if we don't get them and other good options have already moved to another club. Surely we can find a cheaper alternative to Maguire. I mean Juventus are offering £50m for De Ligt. At the moment we have signed a RB and a substitute / prospect. It's appalling considering the season we had last season and the resources this club has.
And City have just bought someone for £63m and strengthened their only weakness in their squad.