Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

[Coxy]

Just because he’s the best of a bad bunch?

Hell no for me. Our last legend was De Gea.

Bruno with his personality and attitude - no thanks

 

[antk]

I dont find these comparison very apt to be fair.

You made the comparison? You said United was worse before he came. It's different than saying than the current team would be worse without him.

It was true the season he joined though obviously.

 

[Eli Zee]

In comparison to the legends we had while actually winning trophies, no..

but he can be a bright spot during a dark period for the club.. we'll need to win premier leagues and champions leagues if he wants to be remembered as a legend.

 

[harms]

It's not the right time to ask that question — his standing among the fanbase is at an all-time low. I'm not his fan boy and I do wish that we'd swap him for someone like Wirtz in a considerable future but people are going way over the top with their criticism lately (as well as retrospectively undermining his past achievements).

I think he's certainly a cult player but what keeps me from considering him as our potential legend is the complete lack of notable big game performances. You don't have to win the league or play in a great team to become a legend — Robson became one way before he won the league for example & Hughes (who is a legend in my book, albeit not in the first tier) too... but you have to perform in big games even (or, rather, especially) when we're the underdogs.

 

[Rojofiam]

He's been the best creator in the league behind KDB ever since his arrival. A chance creating machine, world class player, availability freak, loves the club, gives everything he has...and a lot of United supporters hate him, because they think they know how tactics work and Bruno is apparently holding the team back because he loses the ball often

Same with Rashford. One of the best left wingers in the world, been at the club since he was a kid, and hated by the fans.

Hope they lift the PL or CL with United, they deserve to. Same with Shaw.

 

[GhastlyHun]

I feel to be a club legend anywhere, you're ideally home-grown or alternatively have spent at least the best part of a decade at the club, while also winning important stuff.

 

[frostbite]

It's not the right time to ask that question — his standing among the fanbase is at an all-time low. I'm not his fan boy and I do wish that we'd swap him for someone like Wirtz in a considerable future but people are going way over the top with their criticism lately (as well as retrospectively undermining his past achievements).

I think he's certainly a cult player but what keeps me from considering him as our potential legend is the complete lack of notable big game performances. You don't have to win the league or play in a great team to become a legend — Robson became one way before he won the league for example & Hughes (who is a legend in my book, albeit not in the first tier) too... but you have to perform in big games even (or, rather, especially) when we're the underdogs.

Man Utd was relegated in 1973-74 and Robson arrived in 1981, so the expectations were not very high.

We won the last EPL in 2013 and Bruno arrived in 2019, so the expectations have been (and still are) really high.

This makes a huge difference!

Bruno plays every game, he tries hard every game from start to finish, he covers the whole field, he has been our best player in the past 5 years ... all that are similar to Robson. But it is not enough for Bruno because our expectations are now very different. Sure, Bruno has bad games (but he still runs and tries) ... and actually Robson had bad games too, but again that's not the defining difference, it is our expectations that are vastly different.

Basically, Bruno has to win the EPL or else he will not be considered a legend, no matter what else he does.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That performance last season against Liverpool is certainly legendary

 

[lex talionis]

Legend? Not a chance.

 

[Judas]

Cult hero at a push maybe, needs to actually be a big part in us winning a lot more than we have done for him to get anywhere close to legendary status.

 

[CloneMC16]

No, because it's highly likely that he won't win the best trophies with us.

I'm sure the fans will still sing his name after he leaves, but I don't think he'll be legend status.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

No, never.

 

[Skills]

I'm just curious to know, what those of you with young kids tell them about the current Man Utd? Do you tell them this is shit, and they're wasting their time with us? Do any of them have any posters of players in their room? Or do you get them to put up posters of the managers instead?

I'm genuinely curious about this, because our fanbase has such a toxic relationship with its players. Liverpool as shit as they were - their fans had never turned on their players or created/fuelled some of the toxicity around the club that's been ever present for the last 5 years here.

 

[NZT-One]

Excellent baiting from the OP. It was an inevitability that @Jeppers7 and @NZT-One would collectively lose their minds over the mere suggestion of Bruno being a United legend. Such a shame zaafi is seemingly banned from the caf otherwise this thread would be 10 pages long already.

So this is losing his mind?

Surely... This is what legends are made of, being the best of a shitty bunch. Give it to Rashford as well then.

You must live in a monastery or something.

He is literally the only player we have who makes stuff happen.

So being better than that bunch of a lot of shitty players makes him a legend then? Wouldn't be my definition but powers to you and some of the other posters in here. I think, it de-values the term legend but I guess it is at least consequential to establish a true banter club. I mean, seriously, a legend because he is better than then Lingard, Pereira, Weghorst, Greenwood, Rashford, Dan James, 37y/o Ronaldo and Martial?

These threads become kind of pointless if the posters writing "no" don't post a few examples of players barely making the cut.

It is fairly easy question. But again nice to see you being the one pointing out how to post the correct way.

He's been the best creator in the league behind KDB ever since his arrival. A chance creating machine, world class player, availability freak, loves the club, gives everything he has...and a lot of United supporters hate him, because they think they know how tactics work and Bruno is apparently holding the team back because he loses the ball often

Same with Rashford. One of the best left wingers in the world, been at the club since he was a kid, and hated by the fans.

Hope they lift the PL or CL with United, they deserve to. Same with Shaw.

Man so many fantastic players. You really have to wonder what happend that we continued to be a bad team despite all this talent.

 

[Shane88]

Zero chance. What legendary feats has he achieved?

 

[davidmichael]

At what point would Fernandes go down as a United legend ? That word is far too thrown about and easily labelled, at times Fernandes has been a great player but never a legend nor looking likely that will ever be.

If someone said to me to list a name of legends I’d say Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby, Sir Matt, Denis Law, George Best, Roger Byrne, Bill Foulkes, Nobby Stiles, Sir Alex, Cantona, Bryan Robson, Schmeichel, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo from his first stint and Rooney and Fernandes is nowhere near any of them.

 

[Scandi Red]

It is fairly easy question. But again nice to see you being the one pointing out how to post the correct way.

Ugh, you again.

Sorry for looking for an actual debate rather. It's a bit hard to engage with people who provide yes/no answers with no further explanation. I was interesting in where people draw the line for what's a legend or not. Someone hinted at the three statues in front of Old Trafford. There's a pretty big leap from that to Carrick (for instance).

I find such discussions interesting because they are open to interpretation. Fergie claims to have only coached 4 world class players (Cantona, Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo). Now that is an interesting perspective that tells you how much opinions can differ.

 

[Tyrion]

Unlikely. More likely he will be fondly remembered here but he will fall into the same category as Mata or Herrera and not legend status.

Mata and Herrera weren't as good as him and we rarely even regular starters. Bruno is the captain and often the best player. I'd put him closer to the likes of DDG, RVN or Carrick. Not legends but very good players for multiple seasons.

No but it will be a huge step in the right direction when he is gone.

Casemiro and Rashford were our best performers last season, when we won a trophy, and neither of them are club legends, or ever will be.

They've also had long spells where they've done nothing. Bruno hasn't.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Mata and Herrera weren't as good as him and we rarely even regular starters. Bruno is the captain and often the best player. I'd put him closer to the likes of DDG, RVN or Carrick. Not legends but very good players for multiple seasons.

The three players you listed are definitely a level or two above Bruno in legend status at the club.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Unlikely. More likely he will be fondly remembered here but he will fall into the same category as Mata or Herrera and not legend status.

He’s been so much better than them though. He’s been fantastic for us in parts in a time where that’s very difficult to do.

 

[Mainoonited]

Not a chance. He can't hold a torch to the true legends of this club.

 

[RedIan]

Not for me. Unless we suddenly start winning the league and cups.
The only two current players who may one day go onto be legends are Mainoo and Garnacho.

 

[NZT-One]

Ugh, you again.

Just put me on ignore if it gets too difficult. Save the passive aggressive stuff for your loved ones.

Sorry for looking for an actual debate rather. It's a bit hard to engage with people who provide yes/no answers with no further explanation. I was interesting in where people draw the line for what's a legend or not. Someone hinted at the three statues in front of Old Trafford. There's a pretty big leap from that to Carrick (for instance).

I accept your apology.

And fyi, just ask the people who answered too short (in your eyes) and maybe you'll receive some answers. I doubt the reproachful approach will be very fruitful. (and yes, I had to look up the word reproachful)

I find such discussions interesting because they are open to interpretation. Fergie claims to have only coached 4 world class players (Cantona, Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo). Now that is an interesting perspective that tells you how much opinions can differ.

Fergie talked about his idea of world class in that instance. Not necessarily about legends. And yes, because everybody has a different understanding what that term means it will always be difficult to discuss before finding a definition first that most people will agree on. As you see, the majority in here isn't in favor of the notion of him being a legend so there seems to be a number of people probably with a rather similar understanding of the term. I personally would agree to a poster who said that dire times usually don't produce legends. Had we won a few big trophies with Bruno than his legend status may look different. But I guess, his performance thread wouldn't be as polarized as it is right now as well. By people with extreme unjust criticism and by people who think about calling him a legend...

 

[Pes6Monster]

Possibly the only major signing who has improved at United since Fergie quit. Can anyone think of another?

 

[KikiDaKats]

What the hell???

We're Manchester United, you know.

Edit - Just noticed the OP also says "he must have all the credentials, surely?". Wow.

He is the club captain, great support within fan base, achieved some spectacular individual numbers, the list goes on. He is a player next generation of United players will have to emulate.

I don’t rate him but I won’t be dishonest with the reality.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Possibly the only major signing who has improved at United since Fergie quit. Can anyone think of another?

Luke Shaw possibly, depending on your definition of major signing? I'd say he's been a net positive over an extended period - not really his fault he broke his leg either.

 

[KikiDaKats]

Terrifying.

Like saying the next generation of youth products have to try to be as good as McTominay and Lingard.

Haha

 

[noodlehair]

With the way our fans are (well the online ones), no United player is going to achieve legend status unless we start winning leagues, and even then they'll get the same shite Rooney did.

We could have prime Roy Keane in this current side and all that would happen is the caf would blame him the most every time we didn't win.

 

[Tyrion]

The three players you listed are definitely a level or two above Bruno in legend status at the club.

I don't see why. People moaned about them while they were playing same as Bruno.

I dont remember Bruno doing very much in most of the catastrophic defeats this season. Or last.

Nothing productive or useful anyway, plenty of toys thrown out of prams.

His trophy count sure looks like a heap of shit for a 29 year old potential club legend.

Because the team was trash. None of our players did much to help the team during Moyes season. Is Rooney and Rio out?

 

[DRJosh]

In a team of misfits and prima-donnas, Bruno is a legend.

 

[Tyrion]

With the way our fans are (well the online ones), no United player is going to achieve legend status unless we start winning leagues, and even then they'll get the same shite Rooney did.

We could have prime Roy Keane in this current side and all that would happen is the caf would blame him the most every time we didn't win.

Pretty much. I imagine Robson would have got similar stuff if he played today.

 

[Stookie]

Nah not for me. He muckied his ticket last season with the way he was carrying on at Liverpool. Embarrassing that was. A decent player at times but not a legend for Utd.

 

[Jeppers7]

Man Utd was relegated in 1973-74 and Robson arrived in 1981, so the expectations were not very high.

We won the last EPL in 2013 and Bruno arrived in 2019, so the expectations have been (and still are) really high.

This makes a huge difference!

Bruno plays every game, he tries hard every game from start to finish, he covers the whole field, he has been our best player in the past 5 years ... all that are similar to Robson. But it is not enough for Bruno because our expectations are now very different. Sure, Bruno has bad games (but he still runs and tries) ... and actually Robson had bad games too, but again that's not the defining difference, it is our expectations that are vastly different.

Basically, Bruno has to win the EPL or else he will not be considered a legend, no matter what else he does.

When? When did Bryan Robson have a bad game? It is defining because Bruno plays like shite 4 games out of 5. If not more.

 

[Tyrion]

Terrifying.

Like saying the next generation of youth products have to try to be as good as McTominay and Lingard.

Lingard was lazy while Bruno is our best player and has been since he arrived barring the odd good couple of months from Rashford.

 

[Jeppers7]

I dont find these comparison very apt to be fair. And to me this smells of statpicking. The last 3 years under Mourinho you mention is in a very well funded team with one of the best managers in modern football and who had an overly big focus on defence. Compare it to Solskjær being more attacking, terrible Rangnick and all the defensive aspects of those two. You cant just attribute a 25% decrease to just one man. Well yes you can, if you statpick. But you mentioned not having eyes. Did you not see his first half season here?

why exclude that half season which was one of Bruno’s best parts where he hit the ground running? Because we had a really good run and it might tip the stats, thats why it doesnt count in your stats.

That half season tips quite a lot. In 14 games Bruno had 8 goals and 7 assists and we won 9, drew 5 and lost 0 in the 19/20 season after he arrived. Ask any United fan with eyes and they could see the effect he had on a team that was in a slump.

before that it’s 9w 7d 8l in the same season. Funny you just nulled his effect in that season and didnt count it in the stats against him.

Sure you can count trophies and it’s 2 vs 1 but was Bruno the only player on the field since you can attribute 2 sets of 25 players achievements of trophies down to just one player? Can i categorize David May as better than Gerrard too then?

Granted, his current season is not great at all, but he’s been the main factor here for years now.

Woah….you made the comparison. Or did you just mean the week before he signed?

Leaving out a third of a season isn’t stat picking, it’s because where do you then start and end with the comparison? What time frame would I pick pre Bruno? You were the one who claimed we were worse before he came.

So ok let’s say we include the first 3 months he played. Then we have to include this season also.

Then we have to go back another season to 2015/16 when we won the FA Cup and then it just gets worse for Bruno because it’s now 3 trophies to 1 and we definitely were not worse over the same timeframe before he came as we have been since he came.

 

[Jeppers7]

Lingard was lazy while Bruno is our best player and has been since he arrived barring the odd good couple of months from Rashford.

Do you mean that Bruno has been our best performing player in all the time he’s been here other than the odd month over that period?

 

[Tyrion]

Do you mean that Bruno has been our best performing player in all the time he’s been here other than the odd month over that period?

Yes he's done more for the team than any other player over that period.

 

[Jeppers7]

Yes he's done more for the team than any other player over that period.

Absolute nonsense. He has not been our best performing player every month other than a couple. He’s been abysmal all season and was abysmal the season Ronaldo was here….last season Rashford, Casemiro, Martinez and Shaw were better.

 

[TsuWave]

“Emotionally veering off topic?” What a load of nonsense. You display arrogance, yet dont enter the debate with any useful arguments at all, then just try to slag off people who actually do come up with arguments. If you disagree, at least do use arguments/point out where you disagree. Else this forum would just be like 4 year olds yelling at each other, which is frankly what your post reminds me of. Boring stuff.

Just saying things, unfortunately don't make them true. Please read this exchange - do you think you're behaving in a reasonable manner:

Spoiler

We're Manchester United, you know.

Edit - Just noticed the OP also says "he must have all the credentials, surely?". Wow.

Been our best performer almost every year since joining, but yeah let’s slag him off and pretend United will turn everything around completely as soon as he’s gone.

Once you're done with whatever it is you're doing in the post above - can we back on topic about the "Manchester United legend" thing, please?

You sound rather chomical, when trying to display arrogance.

So you went from random hysterics to widely off the mark assumptions. Cool, can we get back to the matter at hand?

For clarification - there's no arrogance in asking you to get back on track if you're emotionally veering off-topic.

Forget you're involved for a second - and make an effort to be honest - do you think that's a normal conversation flow?

I disagreed that he's a United legend and you quoted me with an emotionally charged persecution complex post about "slagging Bruno off and pretending United will turn everything around completely as soon as he's gone" <- Where was any of that said here? And how is it relevant to the discussion regarding him supposedly being a United legend?

I asked you to get back on topic - and you replied about me being arrogant - again, because you somehow decided Bruno was being slagged off because I disagreed with the notions of him being a United legend or that he has all credentials for such. Lastly, you made no points. Your reply doesn't even go with or apply to my post that you quoted. This is odd all around.

 

[TsuWave]

He is the club captain, great support within fan base, achieved some spectacular individual numbers, the list goes on. He is a player next generation of United players will have to emulate.

I don’t rate him but I won’t be dishonest with the reality.

I don't think being club captain inherently makes you a legend, and he's captaining arguably our worst period in modern history. Bruno is a polemic/divisive character/player for the fanbase, just look at this thread. Football has changed, his spectacular individual numbers haven't led to much substantial in terms of trophies or periods of dominance for United.

I mean Ronaldo's status as a "legend" is often debated on this forum - and he was the best player in the world and core to one of our most dominant eras as a club - but somehow Bruno Fernandes is a "legend"? Maybe I overestimate our size and history, but I just don't see how Bruno qualifies as one.